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Anonymous
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September 17, 2004 1:33:19 AM

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Hello!

I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM

Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
The DVD-Rom works perfectly!

The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?

Are my HDDs lost?
Please can anybody help me?


Thanks
Miles
Anonymous
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September 17, 2004 1:33:20 AM

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More likely something else broke - one IDE channel, its cable, the power.

"Michael Url" <miurl@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:zEn2d.286785$vG5.241945@news.chello.at...
> Hello!
>
> I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
> SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM
>
> Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
> want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
> HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
> The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>
> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>
September 17, 2004 2:09:00 AM

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Michael Url wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
> SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM
>
> Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
> want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
> HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
> The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>
> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>
> Are my HDDs lost?
> Please can anybody help me?
>
>
> Thanks
> Miles
>
I don't understand how a controller card could kill HDDs, unless it
has some unusual electrical fault. Are you sure they're properly
cooled?


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Anonymous
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September 17, 2004 3:04:52 AM

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:33:19 GMT, Michael Url
<miurl@gmx.net> wrote:

>Hello!
>
>I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
>SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM
>
>Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
>want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
>HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
>The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>
>The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>
>Are my HDDs lost?
>Please can anybody help me?

First, does the SI Manager Application (or whatever it's
called) (if you're running Windows), reveal anything?

Have you ran the HDD manufacturer's diagnostics?
When you installed another drive, it not working either,
does it mean you also tried these drives on another
controller?

Are you placing the DVD and HDD on opposing channels? If
so, try the HDD on the other channel, with DVD removed,
and/or try the DVD on other channel.

Or, just toss the card, they're only worth about $15. FWIW,
i have a couple SI 0680 cards and never had a problem,
though they do seem slightly slower than competitors
offerings.
Anonymous
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September 17, 2004 9:21:15 AM

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CJT wrote:

> Michael Url wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon
>> Image SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a
>> DVD-ROM
>>
>> Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because
>> I want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed
>> another HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
>> The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>>
>> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>>
>> Are my HDDs lost?
>> Please can anybody help me?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Miles
>>
> I don't understand how a controller card could kill HDDs, unless it
> has some unusual electrical fault. Are you sure they're properly
> cooled?

Yes, the system is cooled properly (3 fans,...) And it was working about
1 year without a problem!
The 2nd IDE Controller (where the DVD is connected) is working fine?!?
I don't want to try the 1st Connector, because I've already lost 2
drives! Maybe it has an electrical fault? But how can i test it?
Anonymous
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September 17, 2004 9:46:36 AM

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kony wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:33:19 GMT, Michael Url
> <miurl@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Hello!
>>
>>I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
>>SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM
>>
>>Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
>>want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
>>HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
>>The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>>
>>The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>>
>>Are my HDDs lost?
>>Please can anybody help me?
>
>
> First, does the SI Manager Application (or whatever it's
> called) (if you're running Windows), reveal anything?

no it doesn't recogize any drive at boot, the controller is searching
for the drive (about 20sec) then it doesn't find one and continue with
booting!
(neither the 'normal' onboard controller)
>
> Have you ran the HDD manufacturer's diagnostics?
yes, i tried it! The DFT is also searching for the drive, but it doesn't
find it!

> When you installed another drive, it not working either,
> does it mean you also tried these drives on another
> controller?
the other drive was an another controller, the I want to be sure what
part of them is faulty, und plugged it on the SiS Controller --> killed
it too :-(


>
> Are you placing the DVD and HDD on opposing channels? If
> so, try the HDD on the other channel, with DVD removed,
> and/or try the DVD on other channel.

Yes they are on different channels! I don't want to loose also the
DVD-drive?!


> Or, just toss the card, they're only worth about $15. FWIW,
> i have a couple SI 0680 cards and never had a problem,
> though they do seem slightly slower than competitors
> offerings.

It was working for half a year without any problem, only since I've
installed a drive of my friend, then disaster started
And the problem is not the card, the problem are the HDDs, are they
really dead?

Any solution?

Thanks
Miles
Anonymous
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September 17, 2004 9:48:04 AM

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Eric Gisin wrote:

> More likely something else broke - one IDE channel, its cable, the power.

no, I change the cable, tried another IDE channel, nothing, the other 2
drives and the DVD are still working!

>
> "Michael Url" <miurl@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:zEn2d.286785$vG5.241945@news.chello.at...
>
>>Hello!
>>
>>I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
>>SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM
>>
>>Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
>>want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
>>HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
>>The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>>
>>The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>>
>
>
September 17, 2004 10:44:03 AM

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Michael Url wrote:
> CJT wrote:
>
>> Michael Url wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon
>>> Image SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a
>>> DVD-ROM
>>>
>>> Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because
>>> I want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed
>>> another HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
>>> The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>>>
>>> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>>>
>>> Are my HDDs lost?
>>> Please can anybody help me?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Miles
>>>
>> I don't understand how a controller card could kill HDDs, unless it
>> has some unusual electrical fault. Are you sure they're properly
>> cooled?
>
>
> Yes, the system is cooled properly (3 fans,...) And it was working about
> 1 year without a problem!
> The 2nd IDE Controller (where the DVD is connected) is working fine?!?
> I don't want to try the 1st Connector, because I've already lost 2
> drives! Maybe it has an electrical fault? But how can i test it?
>

A multimeter could tell you if there is excess voltage on any pin.

However, it might make more sense just to replace it.

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September 17, 2004 11:09:54 AM

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Michael Url <miurl@gmx.net> wrote in
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> Eric Gisin wrote:
>
>> More likely something else broke - one IDE channel, its cable, the
>> power.
>
> no, I change the cable, tried another IDE channel, nothing, the other
> 2 drives and the DVD are still working!
>

Try a suspect drive on a known good interface.
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 17, 2004 2:20:02 PM

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CJT wrote:
> Michael Url wrote:
>
>> CJT wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Url wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon
>>>> Image SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a
>>>> DVD-ROM
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I
>>>> because I want to be sure which part of my system is broken I
>>>> installed another HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
>>>> The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>>>>
>>>> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>>>>
>>>> Are my HDDs lost?
>>>> Please can anybody help me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Miles
>>>>
>>> I don't understand how a controller card could kill HDDs, unless it
>>> has some unusual electrical fault. Are you sure they're properly
>>> cooled?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, the system is cooled properly (3 fans,...) And it was working
>> about 1 year without a problem!
>> The 2nd IDE Controller (where the DVD is connected) is working fine?!?
>> I don't want to try the 1st Connector, because I've already lost 2
>> drives! Maybe it has an electrical fault? But how can i test it?
>>
>
> A multimeter could tell you if there is excess voltage on any pin.
>
> However, it might make more sense just to replace it.

The problem isn't the controller (I don't need it any more)
The question is: "How can I save my HDDs?"
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 17, 2004 2:22:11 PM

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JS wrote:

> Michael Url <miurl@gmx.net> wrote in
> news:o Uu2d.286860$vG5.272412@news.chello.at:
>
>
>>Eric Gisin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>More likely something else broke - one IDE channel, its cable, the
>>>power.
>>
>>no, I change the cable, tried another IDE channel, nothing, the other
>>2 drives and the DVD are still working!
>>
>
>
> Try a suspect drive on a known good interface.
I've already done this, but the BIOS and also DFT, Linux,... don't
recognise it!
Anonymous
a b G Storage
September 17, 2004 4:06:01 PM

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:20:02 GMT, Michael Url
<miurl@gmx.net> wrote:


>The problem isn't the controller (I don't need it any more)
>The question is: "How can I save my HDDs?"

Connect each HDD, alone as master, to motherboard IDE
controller. Run the manufacturer's diagnostics. That's all
you can do, unless you want to try putting them in the
freezer, but no specific failure mode has been mentioned, so
freezer is not necessarily going to do any good.

I'd still wonder about other factors like the power supply,
doesn't seem too likely that the controller did kill them
all by itself, even thoug it "seems" that way.
September 17, 2004 4:53:26 PM

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"Michael Url" <miurl@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> Hello!
>
> I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
> SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM
>
> Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
> want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
> HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
> The DVD-Rom works perfectly!

Symptoms? Noisy? Have you tried the hdd's on a different desktop? Error
msgs?
>
> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>
> Are my HDDs lost?
> Please can anybody help me?
>
>
> Thanks
> Miles
>
Anonymous
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September 18, 2004 7:43:22 PM

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"someone" <someone@spamfree.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael Url" <miurl@gmx.net> wrote in message
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>> Hello!
>>
>> I've a big problem with my HDDs and a IDE Raid Controller (Silicon Image
>> SiI 0680). On the RAID Controller I've installed a HDD and a DVD-ROM
>>
>> Yesterday the controller killed the first HDD (i guess) and I because I
>> want to be sure which part of my system is broken I installed another
>> HDD, and this one doesn't work any more neither?!?
>> The DVD-Rom works perfectly!
>
> Symptoms? Noisy? Have you tried the hdd's on a different desktop? Error
> msgs?
>>
>> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>>
>> Are my HDDs lost?
>> Please can anybody help me?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Miles
>>
>
>

Just a thought. Right at the beginning the poster said the HDD LED stayed
on. Is the ribbon cable connected correctly (pin 1 to the red stripe at
each end) because twisting it can have this effect, assuming that this set
up uses a ribbon cable in the first place.

Keith Willcocks
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Anonymous
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October 5, 2004 11:46:12 PM

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Michael Url wrote:
> The BIOS doesn't recognise the HDDs and the HDD-LED is always on?!?
>
> Please can anybody help me?

Well considering the light is always on, you might consider turning the
IDE cable around.

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