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Nvidia Aims at Workstation Accelerators With Maximus

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November 15, 2011 10:12:52 PM

So what's the "technology" here? It's just a Quadro and a Tesla.

I don't see how this is new technology at all, since it has already existed for years. And the Quadros have been proven time and time again to be a complete waste of money. I love Nvidia graphics cards as much as the next nerd, but the Quadros and FireGLs are utter bullshit.

And this latest Tesla iteration is in effect a Geforce 590 with more RAM, only it costs five times as much?
November 15, 2011 10:13:10 PM

No, it can't play Crysis.
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November 15, 2011 10:21:27 PM

lordstormdragonSo what's the "technology" here? It's just a Quadro and a Tesla.I don't see how this is new technology at all, since it has already existed for years. And the Quadros have been proven time and time again to be a complete waste of money. I love Nvidia graphics cards as much as the next nerd, but the Quadros and FireGLs are utter bullshit.

Please try to perform some basic, 5 minute research before you post on a topic you're completely unfamiliar with. Here, I'll even help you out a little...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5094/nvidias-maximus-technology-quadro-tesla-launching-today
lordstormdragonAnd this latest Tesla iteration is in effect a Geforce 590 with more RAM, only it costs five times as much?

...seriously?
November 15, 2011 10:44:32 PM

dragonsqrrlPlease try to perform some basic, 5 minute research before you post on a topic you're completely unfamiliar with. Here, I'll even help you out a little...http://www.anandtech.com/show/5094 [...] hing-today...seriously?


Please try to not be a total douche. Nothing posted in that article stated anything different than what I've stated. I'm in the 3D rendering industry and use GPUs to their fullest, and have vast experience with Quadros and FireGLs.

I understand the Tesla is meant as a workhorse not necessarily relating to graphics at all. I also stated and stand by the Quadro and FireGL lines being a total marketing scam, and have massive amounts of field data to back that claim.

"So what is Maximus Technology? As NVIDIA likes to reiterate to their customers it’s not a new product, it’s a new technology – a new way to use NVIDIA’s existing Quadro and Tesla products together. There’s no new hardware involved, just new features in NVIDIAs drivers and new hooks exposed to application developers. Or put more succinctly, in the same vein that Optimus was a driver technology to allow the transparent combination of NVIDIA mobile GPUs with Intel IGPs, Maximus is a driver technology to allow the transparent combination of NVIDIA’s Quadro and Tesla products."

So it's a driver similar to SLI that lets the Quadro work with the Tesla? They already did that anyway, in all the applications I've used.

My POINT here, which you dullards obviously missed, is that Nvidia didn't need to come up with another marketing ploy. They just need to keep making kickass components.

And yes, the Tesla they're discussing here is identical to the Geforce 590, save (as I stated) it simply has more RAM.

Since you offered no opinion or data at all here except to try to insult me, your post has been thus nullified.
November 15, 2011 11:48:14 PM

Actually, the C2075 is in no way a GeForce GTX590. The GTX590 uses dual GTX580 GPU's clocked to match the frequency of the GTX470. The Tesla C2075 is a single processor expansion card with 448 "Cuda Cores", clocked to match the GTX580. So, it's either a cut-down GF110 GPU....or a 448 "core" GF100.....which makes it either an overclocked GTX470 with a lot more memory, or a GTX560Ti 448 with a lot more memory. Either way, it's definitely not related to the GTX590 in any way.

As for the Quadro cards.....you're right. They are little more than a marketing scam. They use the same GPU as their GeForce counterparts, though in most cases they do have more memory than their GeForce counterparts. There is absolutely nothing that the Quadro or GeForce cards can do...that their counterparts can't to the same extent. Sadly, this is nothing new nor is it exactly a secret. Anyone else remember the Quadro "softmods" that were so popular with older cards? The FireGL series is done the same way....and as long as "professionals" continue buying the cards...AMD and nVidia will continue making them the same way they always have.
November 15, 2011 11:55:14 PM

Aye, I apologize there Sykozis. I stand corrected - it's not even as good as the GTX590. (grins)

The stinker is, the Quadros (for example) often perform pretty well in say, Maya, right out of the box. Whereas the Geforce counterparts often require tweaking a few settings to match the Quadros. So many, many studios simply believe the Quadros are better, and companies like Autodesk (who I work closely with and love, actually) perpetuate the notion for Nvidia and AMD. I guess at least AMD offers competition, but it doesn't appear to affect either company's pricing, so that's also not helpful to the prosumer.

I guess what's obnoxious is that there's no way that the extra RAM justifies the extra pricing. One could purchase four GTX580s or more for the price, and come out way, way ahead.

I don't see the Tesla in this configuration as being cost-effective at all, especially with a POS Quadro. And yet, Nvidia will likely lock their gaming cards out of such a config, again reinforcing their higher-priced cards for yet another sucker-punch.
November 16, 2011 2:11:41 AM

was there some image tearing that i saw at the end?
November 16, 2011 2:30:59 AM

someone correct me if im wrong, but arent the pro cards backed by nvidia or amd?

with amd 5770 i have a driver issue with acdsee, and i contacted them with the issue, and got a response back along the lines of, we will not help you, you cant know if they know there is an error, go f yourself and roll back drivers.

but with a pro seriese they listen to you and in some cases get you custom drivers.

at least thats what i have been told the difference is. you arent paying a few k for for that card, but the support that comes allong with it.
a b Î Nvidia
November 16, 2011 9:27:36 AM

yeah yeah pro and workstation cards have their uses. but it's market where both amd and nvidia make huge amount of profit by selling these pro and workstation cards. all i see are the drivers and some hardware specializations/customization for industrial app accelerations may be. they don't look so awesome or worth the sky high price. but i am a regular user who can get by using gma 4500. :p 
November 17, 2011 6:25:16 AM

lordstormdragonAnd yes, the Tesla they're discussing here is identical to the Geforce 590, save (as I stated) it simply has more RAM.

Sigh... point proven.

You either know nothing about modern Quadro/Tesla cards, or you know nothing about Geforce cards, or maybe both. Memory capacity is far from the only difference between a Quadro card and its Geforce equivalent. And you CANNOT enable all the additional features and functionality found on a Quadro through bios/firmware tweaks of its Geforce equivalent. This is absolutely false. Just because you can't resolve the additional features and performance through Maya's viewport frame rate, doesn't make Quadro's a "marketing scam" or the industry ignorant. It just makes you look like a noob.
November 17, 2011 12:22:28 PM

dragonsqrrlSigh... point proven. You either know nothing about modern Quadro/Tesla cards, or you know nothing about Geforce cards, or maybe both. Memory capacity is far from the only difference between a Quadro card and its Geforce equivalent. And you CANNOT enable all the additional features and functionality found on a Quadro through bios/firmware tweaks of its Geforce equivalent. This is absolutely false. Just because you can't resolve the additional features and performance through Maya's viewport frame rate, doesn't make Quadro's a "marketing scam" or the industry ignorant. It just makes you look like a noob.

Where is the point that the features become discernible? I think that is what many people do not understand. As I said above, Teslas are likely only useful to some hard-core pros.

Please see my post above. As I stated, the number one BOINC runner in the world specifically stated from first-hand experience that a GTX 460 outperforms a C2070.
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November 18, 2011 11:58:18 AM

ASUS will (probably) sue Nvidia now...for the word "Maximus".
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