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Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 2:18:48 AM

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I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.

It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
is reated for ATA-100.

On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.

Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
info - or where to look for them ?

Thank you !

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Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 4:35:11 AM

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Penang wrote:
> I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>
> It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> is reated for ATA-100.
>
> On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>
> Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> info - or where to look for them ?

Is it a:
- WD1600AB
- WD1600BB
- WD1600JB
- WD1600JD

Just the "WD1600" tells you the size.. The AB, BB, JB, JD - etc would tell
you more.

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Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 4:36:22 AM

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Penang wrote:
> I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>
> It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> is reated for ATA-100.
>
> On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>
> Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> info - or where to look for them ?

Cross-Posting and Multi-Posting at the same time?

Is it a:
- WD1600AB
- WD1600BB
- WD1600JB
- WD1600JD

Just the "WD1600" tells you the size.. The AB, BB, JB, JD - etc would tell
you more.

--
<- Shenan ->
--
The information is provided "as is", it is suggested you research for
yourself before you take any advice - you are the one ultimately
responsible for your actions/problems/solutions. Know what you are
getting into before you jump in with both feet.
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Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 5:31:32 AM

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Sounds like you got the wrong drive.

You should look into this issue with the store that you purchased the
product from..

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"Penang" <penang@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:f2375275.0412022318.1f0c5940@posting.google.com...
>I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>
> It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> is reated for ATA-100.
>
> On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>
> Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> info - or where to look for them ?
>
> Thank you !
Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 5:42:45 AM

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Penang wrote:

> I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>
> It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> is reated for ATA-100.
>
> On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>
> Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> info - or where to look for them ?

Given a discrepancy between a reseller's representation and the
manufacturer's specifications, don't you think it's more likely than not
that the manufacturer is the one who really knows what they make?

You went to the right place: the WD site. Now just make sure you checked
the right model, as WD1600 isn't 'enough'. There's the two letter code on
the end of it. I.E. WD1600AB, or BB, or whatever you got.

One thing is sure, the reseller got the ATA-133 wrong, if that's what they
said, as WD doesn't make ATA-133 drives.

>
> Thank you !
Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 10:38:58 AM

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Western Digital does not make any ATA-133 drives, only ATA-100.
But there is no real world performance difference between 100 & 133
Maxtor make ATA-133 drives
Most hard drive manufacturers only make ATA-100

Was the drive advertised as an ATA-133 drive
or as ATA-133 "compatible"

"Penang" <penang@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:f2375275.0412022318.1f0c5940@posting.google.com...
>I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>
> It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> is reated for ATA-100.
>
> On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>
> Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> info - or where to look for them ?
>
> Thank you !
>
Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 11:50:58 AM

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WD 1600 "JB" 8mbs cache
WD 1600 "BB" 2mbs cache

both are 160GBs and ATA-100

"Penang" <penang@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:f2375275.0412022318.1f0c5940@posting.google.com...
>I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>
> It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> is reated for ATA-100.
>
> On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>
> Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> info - or where to look for them ?
>
> Thank you !
>
Anonymous
a b G Storage
December 3, 2004 12:00:43 PM

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> But there is no real world performance difference between 100 & 133

This should be hammered into people until it sinks in.
Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 5:53:06 PM

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["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage.]
> Given a discrepancy between a reseller's representation and the
> manufacturer's specifications, don't you think it's more likely than not
> that the manufacturer is the one who really knows what they make?

Who knows... How do you make sure that the manufacturer's info is
up-to-date AND correct?

> You went to the right place: the WD site. Now just make sure you checked
> the right model, as WD1600 isn't 'enough'. There's the two letter code on
> the end of it. I.E. WD1600AB, or BB, or whatever you got.
>
> One thing is sure, the reseller got the ATA-133 wrong, if that's what they
> said, as WD doesn't make ATA-133 drives.

is there an official ATA-133 standard at all? Maybe the manufacturer
will hesitate to certify for an inofficial ATA-133 which may fail with
other ATA-133 implementations, while ATA-100 is certified by the
standard.
Anonymous
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December 3, 2004 7:19:42 PM

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Martin Trautmann wrote:

> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage.]
>
>> Given a discrepancy between a reseller's representation and the
>> manufacturer's specifications, don't you think it's more likely than not
>> that the manufacturer is the one who really knows what they make?
>
>
> Who knows...

The manufacturer

> How do you make sure that the manufacturer's info is
> up-to-date AND correct?

Since the only place the reseller can get his information is from the
manufacturer...


>> You went to the right place: the WD site. Now just make sure you checked
>> the right model, as WD1600 isn't 'enough'. There's the two letter code on
>> the end of it. I.E. WD1600AB, or BB, or whatever you got.
>>
>> One thing is sure, the reseller got the ATA-133 wrong, if that's what they
>> said, as WD doesn't make ATA-133 drives.
>
>
> is there an official ATA-133 standard at all?

Yes. It's a Maxtor 'initiative' and a number of third party controller
manufacturers support it. But most drive manufacturer's decided to skip
that bandwagon since ATA-100 is sufficient enough for current drives and
SATA was coming out. Intel doesn't support it either.

> Maybe the manufacturer
> will hesitate to certify

It isn't a matter of 'certifying'. You have to design it to do ATA-133 and
they didn't.

> for an inofficial ATA-133 which may fail with
> other ATA-133 implementations, while ATA-100 is certified by the
> standard.
Anonymous
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December 4, 2004 3:09:01 AM

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"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley@dyslexia.com> wrote in message news:4j_rd.82307$IQ.33265@bignews6.bellsouth.net
> > But there is no real world performance difference between 100 & 133

Yes, there is.
An ATA-133 drive has a STR of over 45 MB/s where an ATA100 drive
has an STR of below 45MB/s. Ever when a drive's STR increases over
1/2 the interface rate minus 10% for overhead the next higher interface
rate is chosen in order that when both drives are accessed simultaniously
on the same channel at no time the sustained transfer rate of both is limited in any way.

Only when the mfgr doesn't adopt the new interface standard they may
bring out drives that have an STR that is over 1/2 the interface rate
minus 10% for overhead. People should know that these drives will not
deliver full sustained transfer rate when used in Raid on the same channel.

>
> This should be hammered into people until it sinks in.

Yes, not enough clueless people around these days.
Please unclue as much people as you can, spread the word, spread the word !
Free lobotomies for all that are burdened by too much knowledge.
Anonymous
a b G Storage
December 4, 2004 9:26:31 AM

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Folkert Rienstra wrote:
>
.....
>
> Yes, not enough clueless people around these days.
> Please unclue as much people as you can, spread the word, spread the word !
> Free lobotomies for all that are burdened by too much knowledge.
>

Folkert, you haven't been smoking that brown stuff again, have you?!


Odie
Anonymous
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December 4, 2004 10:38:25 AM

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Thank you and thank all for your help.

The drive I bought has only WD1600 printed on.

I bought it on a computer expo - where lots and lots of vendors
selling the same item, and all of them advertised it as ATA-133 - they
have two versions, one with 2MB buffer, the other one 8MB buffer - and
that's about all I have about the drive, other than the one I got from
WD's website.

Anyway, I am doing test drive on the drive right now.

Thanks a lot to all, again !!!




"Tod" <no_spam_me@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<SNVrd.602409$mD.170810@attbi_s02>...
> WD 1600 "JB" 8mbs cache
> WD 1600 "BB" 2mbs cache
>
> both are 160GBs and ATA-100

> >I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> > WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
> >
> > It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> > Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> > is reated for ATA-100.
> >
> > On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> > memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
> >
> > Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> > info - or where to look for them ?
> >
> > Thank you !
> >
Anonymous
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December 4, 2004 7:34:54 PM

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Can you take a picture of the drive and post it.

"Penang" <penang@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:f2375275.0412040738.71e3f138@posting.google.com...
> Thank you and thank all for your help.
>
> The drive I bought has only WD1600 printed on.
>
> I bought it on a computer expo - where lots and lots of vendors
> selling the same item, and all of them advertised it as ATA-133 - they
> have two versions, one with 2MB buffer, the other one 8MB buffer - and
> that's about all I have about the drive, other than the one I got from
> WD's website.
>
> Anyway, I am doing test drive on the drive right now.
>
> Thanks a lot to all, again !!!
>
>
>
>
> "Tod" <no_spam_me@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<SNVrd.602409$mD.170810@attbi_s02>...
>> WD 1600 "JB" 8mbs cache
>> WD 1600 "BB" 2mbs cache
>>
>> both are 160GBs and ATA-100
>
>> >I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
>> > WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>> >
>> > It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
>> > Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
>> > is reated for ATA-100.
>> >
>> > On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
>> > memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>> >
>> > Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
>> > info - or where to look for them ?
>> >
>> > Thank you !
>> >
>
Anonymous
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December 4, 2004 9:37:10 PM

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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:34:54 GMT, "Tod" <no_spam_me@comcast.net>
wrote:

| Can you take a picture of the drive and post it.

I'd be interested in seeing that as well. I've never seen a WD drive
that didn't have quite a bit of info on it including model, part
number, serial number, and date and place of manufacture. They even
tag their re-manufactured drives.

Larc



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December 7, 2004 8:25:55 PM

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Download and install one or both of the products below:

http://www.lavalys.com/

http://www.belarc.com

to get the model numbers of the drive and check the drive manufacturer's
site for specs.


"Penang" <penang@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:f2375275.0412022318.1f0c5940@posting.google.com...
>I just bought a Western Digital Caviar 160GB harddrive - model number
> WD1600 - with 8MB buffer.
>
> It is advertised as a ATA-133 drive - but when I got to Western
> Digital's website, all it list is that WD1600 has a 2MB buffer and it
> is reated for ATA-100.
>
> On the drive itself there is absolutely NO information about the
> memory buffer, nor the ATA rating.
>
> Therefore, is there anyone here who can tell me how to find out the
> info - or where to look for them ?
>
> Thank you !
!