valve consistency making hl2 consoles the only proper vers..

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valve is making a hl2 steam free version only for consoles
is that a surprise?
for those like myself which know very well what valve plans
are, no it's not! its totally expected!

since last year valve became a enemy of pc games
since last year valve has been a dedicated destroyer of pc
games, so this news is very consistent with what valve has
been doing

we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy
and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all
.. steam: valve are the creators of this extremely damaging
technology with the only purpose of turning pc gamers into
weak submissive brainwashed and imprisoned consumers
.. piracy: like i've been telling all along, steam actively
promotes piracy and forces pc gamers into piracy making it
the first system to officially promote piracy
.. consoles: this was the last one valve started supporting
but i knew sooner or later it had to come, so valve wants
to help even more the unfair competition we now face from
consoles by giving preference and making available only in
consoles the only proper version of there games

this is all very consistent to what valve has been doing for
the last months... they are following a very well conceived
plan to destroy pc games
valve mission is the destruction of the pc game market like
we now have, creating a new one for their sole advantage so
they can have total domination and control and turn it into
a monopolistic environment and become the absolute ruler

valve is now involved in everything damaging for pc games
everything! so we have to give them credit, they are really
good in doing it

i know valve will never change... its obvious... we all know
the only solution is they leaving pc games, so yes my wish is
valve leave pc games and become a console only developer...
it would be the best thing to save pc games from such a big
and destructive menace

--
post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam

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"steamKILLER" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> valve is making a hl2 steam free version only for consoles
> is that a surprise?

So what? FPS on consoles are always a pathetic joke, because of the dire
controls and laughable 'auto-aim'.

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steamKILLER wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> valve is making a hl2 steam free version only for consoles
> is that a surprise?
> for those like myself which know very well what valve plans
> are, no it's not! its totally expected!
>
> since last year valve became a enemy of pc games
> since last year valve has been a dedicated destroyer of pc
> games, so this news is very consistent with what valve has
> been doing
>
> we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy
> and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all
> . steam: valve are the creators of this extremely damaging
> technology with the only purpose of turning pc gamers into
> weak submissive brainwashed and imprisoned consumers
> . piracy: like i've been telling all along, steam actively
> promotes piracy and forces pc gamers into piracy making it
> the first system to officially promote piracy
> . consoles: this was the last one valve started supporting
> but i knew sooner or later it had to come, so valve wants
> to help even more the unfair competition we now face from
> consoles by giving preference and making available only in
> consoles the only proper version of there games
>
> this is all very consistent to what valve has been doing for
> the last months... they are following a very well conceived
> plan to destroy pc games
> valve mission is the destruction of the pc game market like
> we now have, creating a new one for their sole advantage so
> they can have total domination and control and turn it into
> a monopolistic environment and become the absolute ruler
>
> valve is now involved in everything damaging for pc games
> everything! so we have to give them credit, they are really
> good in doing it
>
> i know valve will never change... its obvious... we all know
> the only solution is they leaving pc games, so yes my wish is
> valve leave pc games and become a console only developer...
> it would be the best thing to save pc games from such a big
> and destructive menace
>
> --
> post made in a steam-free computer
> i said "NO" to valve and steam
>
right, sarcasm, good!! (please tell me you are not serious)

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On 23 Apr 2005 05:05:57 -0700, "Peter [AGHL]" <peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:

>> He says while crossposting.
>
>I could have posted to AGHL only, but then the message wouldn't have
>been send to csipga, csipgr or csipgs and the message would have less
>to none relevance
>Though I wonder what rpg or strategic has to do with Steam
>
>> I'm beginning to wonder what this AGHL
>> actually stands for.
>
>I understand why you can't figure that

How about explaining it for the rest of us?

>> LOL. What a chump.
>
>I guess we are in the same boat then

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Memnoch wrote:
> How about explaining it for the rest of us?
>
I can see that lately you have been posting from CSIPGA
Now if you'd like to advertise for this group what would be one of many
obvious things to do?
Furthermore it's obviously a nice thing to be able to see at a glance
from which group the message is originating from during massive
ridiculous crossposting
This to ensure that any "valid" response can go to the person in
question without annoying others and without the need to send personal
emails as email addresses found on the usenet is known to be of very
little use

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Only use Xpost as a last resort

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steamKILLER wrote:
> we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy
> and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all

> . steam: valve are the creators of this extremely damaging
> technology with the only purpose of turning pc gamers into
> weak submissive brainwashed and imprisoned consumers
It does this how? Personally I make my own decisions about when to play
HL2 and whether to play it on-or offline. Recently I haven't been
playing it at all. It's just a game.


> . piracy: like i've been telling all along, steam actively
> promotes piracy and forces pc gamers into piracy making it
> the first system to officially promote piracy

Valve is not supporting piracy. One of the stated aims of Steam is to
make piracy harder. Instead of just copying the disc, the pirates have
had to develop alternatives to Steam. I guess Valve knew this would
happen sooner or later, but they did at least try to put up a barrier.
In any case, Valve do not force you to pirate the game. If you can't
afford it, or you don't like Steam, then don't buy the game. No one is
forcing you to steal it. Would you steal a car just because you can't
afford to buy it and you don't like the credit offers available?


> . consoles: this was the last one valve started supporting
> but i knew sooner or later it had to come, so valve wants
> to help even more the unfair competition we now face from
> consoles by giving preference and making available only in
> consoles the only proper version of there games

Valve have released all their games on to the PC first. The console
game most likely won't be the "proper version" because of the
limitations of consoles. They have developed for PC and then converted
to console, not the other way round - exactly as you demand it should
be. Hopefully, consolist scum will play the game and think "wow, PC
owners get some great games - let's buy a PC".

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> There is no mention of all the negatives on the box.

What negatives?

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Terry wrote:

> There is no mention of all the negatives on the box.
> I uninstalled it and threw it in the bin when I realised
> what was going on.
>
> Having wasted my 35 pounds - I fully intend to crack
> this game and publish the crack on the web.
>
> As a retired software engineer I have the skills, time and
> inclination to do this.
>
> I feel ripped off.

God help us if a sum greater than £35 is involved. What will you do if
buy a car you don't like? Or a house?

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:03:12 +0100, "Terry"
<terry@tbean.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Chadwick" <chadwick110@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1114417436.236237.114850@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> steamKILLER wrote:
>>> we in pc games face 3 big problems which are steam piracy
>>> and consoles, and valve is involved in supporting them all
>>
>>> . steam: valve are the creators of this extremely damaging
>>> technology with the only purpose of turning pc gamers into
>>> weak submissive brainwashed and imprisoned consumers
>> It does this how? Personally I make my own decisions about when to play
>> HL2 and whether to play it on-or offline. Recently I haven't been
>> playing it at all. It's just a game.
>>
>>
>>> . piracy: like i've been telling all along, steam actively
>>> promotes piracy and forces pc gamers into piracy making it
>>> the first system to officially promote piracy
>>
>> Valve is not supporting piracy. One of the stated aims of Steam is to
>> make piracy harder. Instead of just copying the disc, the pirates have
>> had to develop alternatives to Steam. I guess Valve knew this would
>> happen sooner or later, but they did at least try to put up a barrier.
>> In any case, Valve do not force you to pirate the game. If you can't
>> afford it, or you don't like Steam, then don't buy the game. No one is
>> forcing you to steal it. Would you steal a car just because you can't
>> afford to buy it and you don't like the credit offers available?
>>
>>
>>> . consoles: this was the last one valve started supporting
>>> but i knew sooner or later it had to come, so valve wants
>>> to help even more the unfair competition we now face from
>>> consoles by giving preference and making available only in
>>> consoles the only proper version of there games
>>
>> Valve have released all their games on to the PC first. The console
>> game most likely won't be the "proper version" because of the
>> limitations of consoles. They have developed for PC and then converted
>> to console, not the other way round - exactly as you demand it should
>> be. Hopefully, consolist scum will play the game and think "wow, PC
>> owners get some great games - let's buy a PC".
>>
>
>There is no mention of all the negatives on the box.
>I uninstalled it and threw it in the bin when I realised
>what was going on.
>
>Having wasted my 35 pounds - I fully intend to crack
>this game and publish the crack on the web.
>
>As a retired software engineer I have the skills, time and
>inclination to do this.
>
>I feel ripped off.
>
>Regards
>


If a game company worried about trying to satisfy each and every
customer out there, they'd go out of business. Can't please all of
the people all of the time....

Id didn't make Doom3 compatible for Win9X. I feel negelected. And
since I'm retired and bored and have the time... I'm going to do my
best to rip them off.


regards

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Terry wrote:
> The majority of people are very anti this type of
> copy protection.

And pirating the game will not encourage games companies to drop their
copy protection schemes.

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> This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws
> in that is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for.

Which one?
The game suits me just fine

> There is no mention on the box of these copy
> protection problems.

Did Valve anounce that the Steam thing is for copy protection?
Actually Steam is a content delivery platform not a copy protection
scheme

Yes Steam has full control (almost) over the part of the disk where the
system is installed, big deal
And I dare say, never have it been easier to maintain a software
installation

And the full control thing?
Come on - every mmorg out there does the same thing and have for ages

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Terry wrote:
>
> This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws in that
> is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for.
>
> There is no mention on the box of these copy protection problems.

Do you have any idea how, as a "retired SW Engineer", stupid you are
making yourself look?

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:02 +0100, "Terry"
<terry@tbean.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Chadwick" <chadwick110@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1114442026.590216.257370@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Terry wrote:
>>> The majority of people are very anti this type of
>>> copy protection.
>>
>> And pirating the game will not encourage games companies to drop their
>> copy protection schemes.
>>
>
>I have no intention of pirating the game.
>The game has been paid for and I intend to
>break the copy protection so that I can play it
>and have my monies worth.
>
>The patch will be made public so that other people
>can do the same.
>
>This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws in that
>is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for.
>
>There is no mention on the box of these copy protection problems.
>
>Regards
>
>

Take them to court if they broke UK consumer laws.

regards

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"mrlg" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> OldDog wrote:
>>
>> The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy
>> protections are out there, and nor do most of them care.
>
> They don't care until they pay money for a game doesn't work
> because of it. Then they get mad that there wasn't enough
> info about what is needed to run the game on the game box.


OK, what was needed that wasn't on the box. It says internet connection
needed, and the system specs are reasonably accurate. What is missing.

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"Walter Mitty" <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Terry wrote:
>>
>> This game probably breaks the uk consumer laws in that
>> is unsuitable for the purpose it was sold for.
>>
>> There is no mention on the box of these copy protection problems.
>
> Do you have any idea how, as a "retired SW Engineer", stupid you are
> making yourself look?

I really dont give a toss what the morons of this group
think of me. At the end of the day I up speaking up on
behalf of all pc gamers.

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General wrote:
> "mrlg" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:JRebe.16529$44.348@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > OldDog wrote:
> >>
> >> The majority of pc gaming people don't know what kind of copy
> >> protections are out there, and nor do most of them care.
> >
> > They don't care until they pay money for a game doesn't work
> > because of it. Then they get mad that there wasn't enough
> > info about what is needed to run the game on the game box.
>
>
> OK, what was needed that wasn't on the box. It says internet
connection
> needed, and the system specs are reasonably accurate. What is
missing.

"An internet connection is required to install this game".
That's all. That is where HL2+Steam differs from the norm.
I agree with those that think this sentence should have appeared on the
box.
I disagree with those that think its absence is a license to pirate the
game, or create Steam replacements that allow others to pirate the game.

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> I agree with those that think this sentence should
> have appeared on the box.

I don't know

No matter how clear you label the box there's always some moron buying
the game without reading the requirements
I bought FFXI to the kids without realising that's it's a online game
only and there's a monthly fee
Not a big problem in real-life (tm), just an example on how foolish one
can be :-)
Usually I have read the various previews/reviews before buying games

HL2 is without competition the installation we have which is easiest to
maintain on a regular basis
Oh FFXI is also selfmaintain, but you can't move the darn thing around
without getting in trouble

rgds

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Terry wrote:
> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I
> need to play the single player version of the game.

You don't. All you need to do is go on-line and log into your steam account
ONCE. But....


....do no log out. <--- VERY IMPORTANT BIT


After that, you need never go on-line again to play the single-player
version.


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Lash Rambo wrote:
> alt.games.half-life.

Snigger.

Did you get your T-Shirts yet?

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Terry wrote:
>
> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I
> need to play the single player version of the game.
>

You don't. As I said : you're making yourself look really silly.

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Terry wrote:
At the end of the day I up speaking up on
> behalf of all pc gamers.
>

That makes two of you - any relation to sayno2?



--
It's a bit of a jump isn't it? I mean, er, chartered accountancy to lion
taming in one go.
You don't think it might be better if you worked your way toward lion
taming, say, via banking...

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"Walter Mitty" <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Lash Rambo wrote:
>> alt.games.half-life.
>
> Snigger.
>
> Did you get your T-Shirts yet?

Would it matter if we hadn't?

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Terry wrote:
> "Walter Mitty" <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3d73avF6l5s25U4@uni-berlin.de...
>
>>Terry wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for info although a little late :-)
>>>
>>
>>Yes. As a retired SW Engineer, you have just learnt the valuable lesson of
>>reading READMEs, asking people or GOOGLING before making a tit of yourself
>>and proclaiming grand things to come from your computer keyboard.
>
>
> I still dont know how to rectify the situation.
> Please tell.
>
>
>

AFAIK you're going to have to bite the bullet, log back onto Steam
(getting any updates you haven't already) and then do as Carl said.

If you then block Steam and HL2 in your firewall it can never dial home
again (uless/until you allow it) and will continue to operate in
off-line mode.


--
It's a bit of a jump isn't it? I mean, er, chartered accountancy to lion
taming in one go.
You don't think it might be better if you worked your way toward lion
taming, say, via banking...

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On 26 Apr 2005 10:01:01 -0700, "Peter [AGHL]" <peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:

>Terry wrote:
>>
>> So - Is there a way of recovering the
>> situation after logging out ?
>>
>The logout thing was an option in Steam way back
>
>Today you need to select "Log in as a different user" in order to do a
>completely log out from Steam

Actaully, it's easier than that to log out. If you leave the "remember
password" option unchecked at the login screen, you get auto-logged out.
Otherwise, it's more than happy to keep you logged in.

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mrlg wrote:
> Chadwick wrote:
> > "An internet connection is required to install this game".
>
>
> "Broadband recommended" would help too.
> And something to make it clear this goes for single-player
> as well as multiplayer.

I haven't got the box in front of me so can't check, but does it list
Minimum and Recommended spec or just Minimum?

Should all games list Recommended spec in an idel world? personally I
find that helpful. Having run the same vid card for the past few years,
it was useful to know how my machine compared to the Recommended spec,
because that is the level at which the game will run well. Minimum spec
just means "won't crash immediately" to me.

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Terry wrote:
> "Carl Waring" <carl.waring@REDyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hdnbe.19789$G8.18339@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Terry wrote:
>>> I object strongly to needing an internet connection every time I
>>> need to play the single player version of the game.
>>
>> You don't. All you need to do is go on-line and log into your steam
>> account ONCE. But....
>>
>>
>> ...do no log out. <--- VERY IMPORTANT BIT
>>
>>
>> After that, you need never go on-line again to play the single-player
>> version.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl Waring
>> http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495
>>
>>
>
> So - Is there a way of recovering the situation after logging out ?
>
> Regards

Yes. Login again. :-)

--
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http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495