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April 14, 2005 5:03:30 AM

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200 GigaByte and 300 GigaByte Storage -
on a disc / system called WORM (Write Once, Read Many)



"InPhase Technologies will be showing off a holographic video recorder
next week with a new type of 3D storage that can hold 20 movies on a
single disc"


"Holographic media will get an airing next week in Las Vegas, as
InPhase Technologies promises a demonstration of its first prototype
system.

In addition, InPhase firmed up its product plans, too - the first
InPhase drives will ship to commercial customers in 2006, at a larger
300 GByte capacity point."



http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:XPmgX2waHEoJ:news....
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050413_201751.ht...
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1785630,00.a...
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.j...
http://www.networkmagazineindia.com/200503/newsanalysis...
http://www.networkmagazineindia.com/200503/20050307.jpg
http://press.xtvworld.com/modules.php?name=News&file=ar...
http://www.itpronto.com/content/112/523.html
http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=1143&cid=4


300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or HD-DVD

and still a ~6x leap beyond 50 GB Blu-Ray (2x)

*20Mb transfer rate on the 200GB model, (a little slow, no?)


The only thing that might be able to compete with InPhase's Holographic
Disc storage system is the FMD / FMD-ROM (Fluorescent Multilayer Disk)
by Constellation 3D which can hold something like 140 GB in its first
generation, and TeraByte+ capacity in its second generation.
(correct me if I'm wrong on that)

Constellation 3D's FMD / FMD-ROM was announced about 5 years ago.



btw, InPhase is aiming for 1.6TB of space, so it seems both InPhase
and Constellation 3D have similar storage-space goals.

I wonder when computers, consumer electronics, playstations, etc will
be able to have this technology (Holographic or Fluorescent disks) at
affordable mass-market prices ?

More about : blu ray dvd inphase holographic disc storage

Anonymous
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April 14, 2005 6:15:32 AM

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I also forgot to mention in my post that, there is also HVD
~ Holographic Versatile Disc by Japan's Optware Corp. and Fuji Film

which will store between 1 TB and 3.9 TeraBytes of data


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.video.dvd/msg/1...

http://www.thechannelinsider.com/article2/0,1759,176025...

________________________________________________________
http://www.cameratown.com/news/news.cfm/hurl/id%7C1182

FujiFilm To Display Holographic Storage Technology at NAB

Holographic Storage Offers Several Terabytes of Removable, Backward
Compatible DVD-size Disc Storage For Film & Electronic Media
Applications

Valhalla, New York, April 13, 2005 Next week at the National
Association of Broadcasters (NAB) Show in Las Vegas, Fuji Photo Film
U.S.A., Inc. will display its next generation information storage disc
technology that promises over 200 times greater capacity (or up to 3.9
TB) and 40 times the transfer speed of today's DVD media. Called
Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD), the technology utilizes existing
manufacturing processes and a unique application of servo information
to markedly increase the storage capacity beyond that of today's
optical discs.

This technology is the result of innovation from Optware Corporation,
now supported by the recently formed Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD)
Alliance, an industry consortium of global technology companies
announced in January.
________________________________________________________




It would be interesting to learn the pros and cons of these 3 next-next
gen optical storage technologies:

*FMD ~ Fluorescent Multilayer Disc by Constellation 3D
*HVD ~ Holographic Versatile Disc by Optware / Fuji Film
*Holographic Storage by InPhase
Anonymous
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April 14, 2005 10:54:46 AM

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Radeon350@yahoo.com wrote:

> 200 GigaByte and 300 GigaByte Storage -
> on a disc / system called WORM (Write Once, Read Many)
>
>
>
> "InPhase Technologies will be showing off a holographic video recorder
> next week with a new type of 3D storage that can hold 20 movies on a
> single disc"
>
>
> "Holographic media will get an airing next week in Las Vegas, as
> InPhase Technologies promises a demonstration of its first prototype
> system.
>
> In addition, InPhase firmed up its product plans, too - the first
> InPhase drives will ship to commercial customers in 2006, at a larger
> 300 GByte capacity point."
>
>
>
>
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:XPmgX2waHEoJ:news....
> http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050413_201751.ht...
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1785630,00.a...
>
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.j...
> http://www.networkmagazineindia.com/200503/newsanalysis...
> http://www.networkmagazineindia.com/200503/20050307.jpg
> http://press.xtvworld.com/modules.php?name=News&file=ar...
> http://www.itpronto.com/content/112/523.html
> http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=1143&cid=4
>
>
> 300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or HD-DVD
>
> and still a ~6x leap beyond 50 GB Blu-Ray (2x)
>
> *20Mb transfer rate on the 200GB model, (a little slow, no?)
>
>
> The only thing that might be able to compete with InPhase's Holographic
> Disc storage system is the FMD / FMD-ROM (Fluorescent Multilayer Disk)
> by Constellation 3D which can hold something like 140 GB in its first
> generation, and TeraByte+ capacity in its second generation.
> (correct me if I'm wrong on that)
>
> Constellation 3D's FMD / FMD-ROM was announced about 5 years ago.
>
>
>
> btw, InPhase is aiming for 1.6TB of space, so it seems both InPhase
> and Constellation 3D have similar storage-space goals.
>
> I wonder when computers, consumer electronics, playstations, etc will
> be able to have this technology (Holographic or Fluorescent disks) at
> affordable mass-market prices ?

If the market functions true to form then computers will be able to have
this technology at affordable mass-market prices right about the time that
hard disks with significantly greater capacity become cheaper than the new
technology.

--
--John
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Anonymous
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April 14, 2005 1:07:42 PM

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<Radeon350@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> I wonder when computers, consumer electronics, playstations, etc will
> be able to have this technology (Holographic or Fluorescent disks) at
> affordable mass-market prices ?

As important as videogames have become financially, and with the market's
ability to change formats without alienating customers (hard to do with
movies), it might work the other way around: their incorporation in
videogame consoles might be what brings their prices down to mass-market
levels.
Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 11:42:35 AM

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In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 14 Apr 2005, wrote :
>
>300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or HD-DVD

Who on earth would want that much memory... mind you, I said the same
when 100Mb HD's came out... :) 
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Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 11:42:36 AM

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Paul Hyett wrote:

> In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 14 Apr 2005, wrote :
>>
>>300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or HD-DVD
>
> Who on earth would want that much memory... mind you, I said the same
> when 100Mb HD's came out... :) 

High definition television.

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Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 12:12:47 PM

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Paul Hyett wrote:
> In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 14 Apr 2005, wrote :
> >
> >300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or
HD-DVD
>
> Who on earth would want that much memory... mind you, I said the same
> when 100Mb HD's came out... :) 
> --
> Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett


heh, 300 GB is nothing compared to what else is on the horizon. The
other holographic technology, the one proposed by an alliance of
Japanese companies lead by Fuji Film and Optware, HVD ~ Holographic
Versatile Disc, will reportedly start off at about 1 TeraByte or so,
and go upto 3.9 TeraBytes.

The InPhase technology ranges from 200 GB to 1.6 TeraBytes by
comparison.


If that weren't enough, Michael Thomas of the company called Colossal
Storage, who says that HVD might have a fatal flaw, is working on
something called (get ready to swallow this one) "Colossal Atomic
Holographic DVR disc drives"

"each one of which would be equal to a 10,000 to 100,000 Gigabyte Disk
Drive"

and I think that's the same as 10 to 100 TeraBytes


here's the 2 articles I've seen on this bad mofo
http://p2pnet.net/story/3855
http://p2pnet.net/story/842


the main features of this "ultimate" storage technology

"Advantage of Rewritable Atomic Holographic Optical Disk Drive Storage
Colossal Storage wants its 3D Volume Holographic Optical Storage to be
an " ALL IN ONE " Storage Solution replacing Ram, Rom, DRAM, Ovonic,
Flash, 2D Optical Drives, Tape Drives, and Hard Drives for " ALL IN ONE
" complete system hardware storage requirements."

* New novel storage media - Ferroelectric Molecular Holographic
Optical
* New novel integrated semiconductor FE Read/Write Head
* New novel recording using UV/Blue Laser Diode and electric field
transducer
* Potential bit density far exceeding present/future drive
technology
* Extremely Fast Switch Sub nanosecond State Change
* Extremely High Read and Write Data Transfer Rates
* Extended Temperature Range
* No Altitude Requirements
* Dense Packed Crystallis with densities >200 Tbits/sq.in.
* 8 cents per Gigabyte versus Hard Drives cost of $ 1.00 cents
Gigabyte
* 1 10 Terabyte Removable Rewritable Fedisk will be $ 45
* 1 10 Terabyte Fedisk = 20,000 DVD's or 4,000 Blu-Ray
* Download 6,840 raw uncompressed TV Hours
* Initial cost per gigabyte be greater than hard drives to
recapture R&D expenses
* No Power Requirements for Media - Non Volatile Media
* Much higher sales margins for media, heads, and drive than data
storage
Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 4:10:41 PM

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Radeon350@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> Paul Hyett wrote:
>> In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 14 Apr 2005, wrote :
>> >
>> >300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or
> HD-DVD
>>
>> Who on earth would want that much memory... mind you, I said the same
>> when 100Mb HD's came out... :) 
>> --
>> Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett
>
>
> heh, 300 GB is nothing compared to what else is on the horizon. The
> other holographic technology, the one proposed by an alliance of
> Japanese companies lead by Fuji Film and Optware, HVD ~ Holographic
> Versatile Disc, will reportedly start off at about 1 TeraByte or so,
> and go upto 3.9 TeraBytes.

Reported by _who_? The standards they've submitted to the ISO are for 30,
100, and 200 GB disks, with approval expected in late 2006 or early 2007.

> The InPhase technology ranges from 200 GB to 1.6 TeraBytes by
> comparison.

In other words about the same.

> If that weren't enough, Michael Thomas of the company called Colossal
> Storage, who says that HVD might have a fatal flaw, is working on
> something called (get ready to swallow this one) "Colossal Atomic
> Holographic DVR disc drives"
>
> "each one of which would be equal to a 10,000 to 100,000 Gigabyte Disk
> Drive"
>
> and I think that's the same as 10 to 100 TeraBytes

Has this company ever produced a product?

It's easy to say that you're going to use bafflegabbed trekulators to
achieve forty exabytes. It's a lot harder to actually do it.

> here's the 2 articles I've seen on this bad mofo
> http://p2pnet.net/story/3855
> http://p2pnet.net/story/842
>
>
> the main features of this "ultimate" storage technology
>
> "Advantage of Rewritable Atomic Holographic Optical Disk Drive Storage
> Colossal Storage wants its 3D Volume Holographic Optical Storage to be
> an " ALL IN ONE " Storage Solution replacing Ram, Rom, DRAM, Ovonic,
> Flash, 2D Optical Drives, Tape Drives, and Hard Drives for " ALL IN ONE
> " complete system hardware storage requirements."
>
> * New novel storage media - Ferroelectric Molecular Holographic
> Optical
> * New novel integrated semiconductor FE Read/Write Head
> * New novel recording using UV/Blue Laser Diode and electric field
> transducer
> * Potential bit density far exceeding present/future drive
> technology
> * Extremely Fast Switch Sub nanosecond State Change
> * Extremely High Read and Write Data Transfer Rates
> * Extended Temperature Range
> * No Altitude Requirements
> * Dense Packed Crystallis with densities >200 Tbits/sq.in.
> * 8 cents per Gigabyte versus Hard Drives cost of $ 1.00 cents
> Gigabyte
> * 1 10 Terabyte Removable Rewritable Fedisk will be $ 45
> * 1 10 Terabyte Fedisk = 20,000 DVD's or 4,000 Blu-Ray
> * Download 6,840 raw uncompressed TV Hours
> * Initial cost per gigabyte be greater than hard drives to
> recapture R&D expenses
> * No Power Requirements for Media - Non Volatile Media
> * Much higher sales margins for media, heads, and drive than data
> storage

Looks to me like a typical snake oil pitch.

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Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 5:28:16 PM

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Paul Hyett <pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in
news:IfKYRDEbJ2XCFwKc@activist.demon.co.uk:

> In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 14 Apr 2005, wrote :
>>
>>300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or HD-DVD
>
> Who on earth would want that much memory... mind you, I said the same
> when 100Mb HD's came out... :) 

Wasn't it Bill Gates who said, in the early days of PC's that 640K ought to
be enough memory for anyone? I have 2 gigabytes of fast RAM in this box
and it's just enough for present needs and probably not for future! My
first disc drive was a 5.25 inch floppy drive by Micropolis with a
controller for the S100 Bus and an OS. That cost more in those-days'
dollars than my 120gb and WinXP cost in today's bucks. Yet we complain!

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A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 5:28:17 PM

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Dave Oldridge wrote:

> Paul Hyett <pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in
> news:IfKYRDEbJ2XCFwKc@activist.demon.co.uk:
>
>> In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 14 Apr 2005, wrote :
>>>
>>>300 GB, that is a roughly ~10 fold leap beyond Blu-Ray (1x) or HD-DVD
>>
>> Who on earth would want that much memory... mind you, I said the same
>> when 100Mb HD's came out... :) 
>
> Wasn't it Bill Gates who said, in the early days of PC's that 640K ought
> to
> be enough memory for anyone?

That's an urban legend. Gates denies it and nobody has ever been able to
produce the source. The "640k barrier" was established by the location of
the video memory in the PC, which was an IBM design decision--MS/PC-DOS
allowed a good deal more than that if the video memory was relocated.

> I have 2 gigabytes of fast RAM in this box
> and it's just enough for present needs and probably not for future! My
> first disc drive was a 5.25 inch floppy drive by Micropolis with a
> controller for the S100 Bus and an OS. That cost more in those-days'
> dollars than my 120gb and WinXP cost in today's bucks. Yet we complain!
>

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