IBM Deskstar dead (no spinning) What should my plan be?

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I have read the similar posts that I could find regarding this subject. The most applicable to my
situation that I could find was the following thread:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/7bb033627077b44f/d07c5109fd79cdff?q=2gb+seagate+drive+dead&rnum=1#d07c5109fd79cdff

I am in a very similar situation. My IBM Deskstar (80 GB) has stopped spinning. I tried it in
several computers, and none could spin it or recognize that a drive was installed. I'm wondering
what I should do, and I'm a little timid to try the freezing thing. The drive never really had
problems before, I never heard it make a clicking sound. The only thing I remember was that about a
week before it completely died, it spun down like it was going to sleep, and I wasn't able to access
the drive until I rebooted. I should've immediately backed up then, but I didn't think much of it
(IDIOT!!!). Anyway, so I'm considering the following:

My options currently are limited by my maximum $500 budget...
1) Find an identical hard drive (same part number and factory chip number), switch the board under
the drive and see if that works. The problem with this is that if it doesn't work, I may be out a
couple of hundred dollars, leaving less to professional recovery services.

2)Use a professional recovery service. But the cheapest one I can find is in the UK
(www.retrodata.co.uk), which offers consumer-level service. Are there any similar companies here in
the US?

That's about it, I don't know what else to do. Frankly, I'm a little worried about the
chip-swapping thing because of something I read in the post above, it might ruin the drive more?!
Besides, it may prove to be very difficult or impossible to find the exact drive I need.

There's about 40 GB of files i need to recover (all music), everything else was backup up. There is
no operating system or program files on the drive, just music files.

Thanks for any help.
AC

 

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superboyAC wrote:

> I have read the similar posts that I could find regarding this subject.
> The most applicable to my situation that I could find was the following
> thread:
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/7bb033627077b44f/d07c5109fd79cdff?q=2gb+seagate+drive+dead&rnum=1#d07c5109fd79cdff
>
> I am in a very similar situation. My IBM Deskstar (80 GB) has stopped
> spinning. I tried it in
> several computers, and none could spin it or recognize that a drive was
> installed. I'm wondering
> what I should do, and I'm a little timid to try the freezing thing. The
> drive never really had
> problems before, I never heard it make a clicking sound. The only thing I
> remember was that about a week before it completely died, it spun down
> like it was going to sleep, and I wasn't able to access
> the drive until I rebooted. I should've immediately backed up then, but I
> didn't think much of it
> (IDIOT!!!). Anyway, so I'm considering the following:
>
> My options currently are limited by my maximum $500 budget...
> 1) Find an identical hard drive (same part number and factory chip
> number), switch the board under
> the drive and see if that works. The problem with this is that if it
> doesn't work, I may be out a couple of hundred dollars, leaving less to
> professional recovery services.
>
> 2)Use a professional recovery service. But the cheapest one I can find is
> in the UK
> (www.retrodata.co.uk), which offers consumer-level service. Are there any
> similar companies here in the US?

Ontrack <http://www.ontrack.com> is the major player in the market--they
offer standard service but I don't know their current pricing.

> That's about it, I don't know what else to do. Frankly, I'm a little
> worried about the chip-swapping thing because of something I read in the
> post above, it might ruin the drive more?! Besides, it may prove to be
> very difficult or impossible to find the exact drive I need.
>
> There's about 40 GB of files i need to recover (all music), everything
> else was backup up. There is no operating system or program files on the
> drive, just music files.

If the music is of any real value then pay someone who knows what they are
about to recover it--any screwing around that you do with no experience at
data recovery is likely to make it more difficult for the professionals to
recover, if it is recoverable at all.

If it's your downloaded MP3 collection then toss the drive and chalk it up
to experience.

In the future make proper backups.

>
> Thanks for any help.
> AC

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superboyAC wrote:
> I have read the similar posts that I could find regarding this subject. The most applicable to my
> situation that I could find was the following thread:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/7bb033627077b44f/d07c5109fd79cdff?q=2gb+seagate+drive+dead&rnum=1#d07c5109fd79cdff
>
> I am in a very similar situation. My IBM Deskstar (80 GB) has stopped spinning. I tried it in
> several computers, and none could spin it or recognize that a drive was installed. I'm wondering
> what I should do, and I'm a little timid to try the freezing thing. The drive never really had
> problems before, I never heard it make a clicking sound. The only thing I remember was that about a
> week before it completely died, it spun down like it was going to sleep, and I wasn't able to access
> the drive until I rebooted. I should've immediately backed up then, but I didn't think much of it
> (IDIOT!!!). Anyway, so I'm considering the following:
>
> My options currently are limited by my maximum $500 budget...
> 1) Find an identical hard drive (same part number and factory chip number), switch the board under
> the drive and see if that works. The problem with this is that if it doesn't work, I may be out a
> couple of hundred dollars, leaving less to professional recovery services.
>
> 2)Use a professional recovery service. But the cheapest one I can find is in the UK
> (www.retrodata.co.uk), which offers consumer-level service. Are there any similar companies here in
> the US?
>
> That's about it, I don't know what else to do. Frankly, I'm a little worried about the
> chip-swapping thing because of something I read in the post above, it might ruin the drive more?!
> Besides, it may prove to be very difficult or impossible to find the exact drive I need.
>
> There's about 40 GB of files i need to recover (all music), everything else was backup up. There is
> no operating system or program files on the drive, just music files.
>
> Thanks for any help.
> AC

Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.

 

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timeOday wrote:

> superboyAC wrote:
>> I have read the similar posts that I could find regarding this subject.
>> The most applicable to my situation that I could find was the following
>> thread:
>>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/7bb033627077b44f/d07c5109fd79cdff?q=2gb+seagate+drive+dead&rnum=1#d07c5109fd79cdff
>>
>> I am in a very similar situation. My IBM Deskstar (80 GB) has stopped
>> spinning. I tried it in
>> several computers, and none could spin it or recognize that a drive was
>> installed. I'm wondering
>> what I should do, and I'm a little timid to try the freezing thing. The
>> drive never really had
>> problems before, I never heard it make a clicking sound. The only thing
>> I remember was that about a week before it completely died, it spun down
>> like it was going to sleep, and I wasn't able to access
>> the drive until I rebooted. I should've immediately backed up then, but
>> I didn't think much of it
>> (IDIOT!!!). Anyway, so I'm considering the following:
>>
>> My options currently are limited by my maximum $500 budget...
>> 1) Find an identical hard drive (same part number and factory chip
>> number), switch the board under
>> the drive and see if that works. The problem with this is that if it
>> doesn't work, I may be out a couple of hundred dollars, leaving less to
>> professional recovery services.
>>
>> 2)Use a professional recovery service. But the cheapest one I can find
>> is in the UK
>> (www.retrodata.co.uk), which offers consumer-level service. Are there
>> any similar companies here in the US?
>>
>> That's about it, I don't know what else to do. Frankly, I'm a little
>> worried about the chip-swapping thing because of something I read in the
>> post above, it might ruin the drive more?! Besides, it may prove to be
>> very difficult or impossible to find the exact drive I need.
>>
>> There's about 40 GB of files i need to recover (all music), everything
>> else was backup up. There is no operating system or program files on the
>> drive, just music files.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> AC
>
> Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
> the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.

Or crash the heads.

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timeOday wrote:
>
>
> Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
> the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.

No - definitely not a good move.

Besides, Deskstars don't typically suffer from bearing seizure.


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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:54:06 +0100, Odie Ferrous
<odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote:

>timeOday wrote:
>>
>>
>> Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
>> the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.
>
>No - definitely not a good move.
>
>Besides, Deskstars don't typically suffer from bearing seizure.

Ah, come on. It's fun to watch people when the realize the glass platters
in their deathstar have shattered!

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Michael Cecil wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:54:06 +0100, Odie Ferrous
> <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>timeOday wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
>>> the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.
>>
>>No - definitely not a good move.
>>
>>Besides, Deskstars don't typically suffer from bearing seizure.
>
> Ah, come on. It's fun to watch people when the realize the glass platters
> in their deathstar have shattered!

That takes a harder whack than you can deliver with a screwdriver.

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message news:d44ojp01h00@news3.newsguy.com
> timeOday wrote:
> > superboyAC wrote:
> > > I have read the similar posts that I could find regarding this subject.
> > > The most applicable to my situation that I could find was the following
> > > thread:
> > >
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/7bb033627077b44f/d07c5109fd79cdff?q=2gb+seagate+drive+dead&rnum=1#d07c5109fd79cdff
> > >
> > > I am in a very similar situation. My IBM Deskstar (80 GB) has stopped
> > > spinning. I tried it in
> > > several computers, and none could spin it or recognize that a drive was
> > > installed. I'm wondering
> > > what I should do, and I'm a little timid to try the freezing thing. The
> > > drive never really had
> > > problems before, I never heard it make a clicking sound. The only thing
> > > I remember was that about a week before it completely died, it spun down
> > > like it was going to sleep, and I wasn't able to access
> > > the drive until I rebooted. I should've immediately backed up then, but
> > > I didn't think much of it
> > > (IDIOT!!!). Anyway, so I'm considering the following:
> > >
> > > My options currently are limited by my maximum $500 budget...
> > > 1) Find an identical hard drive (same part number and factory chip
> > > number), switch the board under
> > > the drive and see if that works. The problem with this is that if it
> > > doesn't work, I may be out a couple of hundred dollars, leaving less to
> > > professional recovery services.
> > >
> > > 2)Use a professional recovery service. But the cheapest one I can find
> > > is in the UK
> > > (www.retrodata.co.uk), which offers consumer-level service. Are there
> > > any similar companies here in the US?
> > >
> > > That's about it, I don't know what else to do. Frankly, I'm a little
> > > worried about the chip-swapping thing because of something I read in the
> > > post above, it might ruin the drive more?! Besides, it may prove to be
> > > very difficult or impossible to find the exact drive I need.
> > >
> > > There's about 40 GB of files i need to recover (all music), everything
> > > else was backup up. There is no operating system or program files on the
> > > drive, just music files.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > > AC
> >
> > Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
> > the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.
>
> Or crash the heads.

While in the load/unload-ramp position? Rotflol.

And snip the rest of the post if you aren't capable of properly quoting it,
oh clueless one.

 

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"Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4265FC8E.54209381@hotmail.com
> timeOday wrote:
> >
> >
> > Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
> > the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.
>
> No - definitely not a good move.
>
> Besides, Deskstars don't typically suffer from bearing seizure.

But they can have stiction. And some call a slider a 'head bearing'.

>
>
> Odie

 

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:16:33 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
<see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:

>> > Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on? If
>> > the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that way.
>>
>> Or crash the heads.
>
>While in the load/unload-ramp position? Rotflol.
>

If you whack it strong enough, yes you can crash the head.

Nick

 

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Nick wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:16:33 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
> <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:
>
>>> > Did you try whacking it with a screwdriver handle while powered on?
>>> > If the bearings are siezed you might be able to jiggle them loose that
>>> > way.
>>>
>>> Or crash the heads.
>>
>>While in the load/unload-ramp position? Rotflol.
>>
>
> If you whack it strong enough, yes you can crash the head.

It would have to be a really hard whack _if_ it's on the ramp, which
physically lifts the head off the platter. The trouble with this is that
if the drive is _dead_ you have no way of knowing if it's dead with the
head on the ramp or dead with the head somewhere else.
>
> Nick

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In article <d45pvq02nl8@news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@sn
et.net.invalid> writes

>> Ah, come on. It's fun to watch people when the realize the glass platters
>> in their deathstar have shattered!
>
>That takes a harder whack than you can deliver with a screwdriver.

Don't be so sure. I've seen several laptops with shattered glass-platter
Travelstar drives. The machines had no external damage.

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Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> In article <d45pvq02nl8@news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@sn
> et.net.invalid> writes
>
>>> Ah, come on. It's fun to watch people when the realize the glass
>>> platters in their deathstar have shattered!
>>
>>That takes a harder whack than you can deliver with a screwdriver.
>
> Don't be so sure. I've seen several laptops with shattered glass-platter
> Travelstar drives. The machines had no external damage.

Of course you took the drives apart to ascertain this. It's rather
difficult to apply a shock exceeding spec to a laptop drive without showing
external damage.

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On 2005-04-27 13:45, J. Clarke wrote:
> Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>
>
>>In article <d45pvq02nl8@news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@sn
>>et.net.invalid> writes
>>
>>
>>>>Ah, come on. It's fun to watch people when the realize the glass
>>>>platters in their deathstar have shattered!
>>>
>>>That takes a harder whack than you can deliver with a screwdriver.
>>
>>Don't be so sure. I've seen several laptops with shattered glass-platter
>>Travelstar drives. The machines had no external damage.
>
>
> Of course you took the drives apart to ascertain this. It's rather
> difficult to apply a shock exceeding spec to a laptop drive without showing
> external damage.
>

A colleague once put a minitower on a desk a bit too close to where
people where walking past; and sure enough someone in a hurry ran by and
gave it a somewhat rough nudge. It had a 3.5" 10.000rpm drive inside,
and the tipping of that gyro broke the glass platter in a miniature
explosion.

When opening the PC, some pieces of the platter had actually perforated
the aluminium enclosure of the disk, so the damage was definitely
noticeable from the outside in this case.

Smaller notebook drives can have emergency parking of heads, but unless
it's also spun down, the spinning disk could crack, and I guess it
depends on the enclosure strength if anything shows. It should rattle a
bit though...

/Rolf

 

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In article <d4o1hf021lv@news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@sn
et.net.invalid> writes

>Of course you took the drives apart to ascertain this.

Yes. The rattle was a giveaway, but opening the drives revealed a mess
of glass shards and powdered glass/magnetic substrate inside.

> It's rather
>difficult to apply a shock exceeding spec to a laptop drive without showing
>external damage.

Agreed. But make something idiot-proof and an idiot will find a way
around it.

 

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Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> In article <d4o1hf021lv@news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@sn
> et.net.invalid> writes
>
>>Of course you took the drives apart to ascertain this.
>
> Yes. The rattle was a giveaway, but opening the drives revealed a mess
> of glass shards and powdered glass/magnetic substrate inside.
>
>> It's rather
>>difficult to apply a shock exceeding spec to a laptop drive without
>>showing external damage.
>
> Agreed. But make something idiot-proof and an idiot will find a way
> around it.

Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good odds that it was
broken by something other than impact damage.

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"Rolf Blom" <allspam@round.bin> wrote in message news:1XNbe.13$Vv3.23709@uab.ericsson.se
> On 2005-04-27 13:45, J. Clarke wrote:
> > Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> > > In article <d45pvq02nl8@news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> writes
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Ah, come on. It's fun to watch people when the realize the glass
> > > > > platters in their deathstar have shattered!
> > > >
> > > > That takes a harder whack than you can deliver with a screwdriver.
> > >
> > > Don't be so sure. I've seen several laptops with shattered glass-platter
> > > Travelstar drives. The machines had no external damage.
> >
> >
> > Of course you took the drives apart to ascertain this. It's rather
> > difficult to apply a shock exceeding spec to a laptop drive without showing
> > external damage.

Depends on the surface (how much of it) that is absorbing the shock.
Or how much of the internal structure is absorbing the shock and how
much of that shock is transferred to the harddrive.

> >
>
> A colleague once put a minitower on a desk a bit too close to where
> people where walking past; and sure enough someone in a hurry ran by and
> gave it a somewhat rough nudge. It had a 3.5" 10.000rpm drive inside,
> and the tipping of that gyro broke the glass platter in a miniature explosion.

Unfortunately we are discussing tapping a non-spinning drive.

>
> When opening the PC, some pieces of the platter had actually perforated
> the aluminium enclosure of the disk, so the damage was definitely
> noticeable from the outside in this case.
>
> Smaller notebook drives can have emergency parking of heads, but unless
> it's also spun down, the spinning disk could crack, and I guess it
> depends on the enclosure strength if anything shows. It should rattle a
> bit though...
>
> /Rolf

 

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"J. Clarke" wrote:
>
> Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good odds that it was
> broken by something other than impact damage.


I once received a drive that a client had put in the freezer overnight.

Trouble is, he sealed it and submerged it in a tub of water.

Of course, the water froze, the ice expanded, and crushed the entire
drive to the point that the platters smashed.

I didn't believe him at first, then tried it myself with an old 12mm
drive.

Quite incredible.


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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message news:d4p4mh02gvj@news1.newsguy.com
> Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> > In article <d4o1hf021lv@news2.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> writes
> >
> > > Of course you took the drives apart to ascertain this.
> >
> > Yes. The rattle was a giveaway, but opening the drives revealed a mess
> > of glass shards and powdered glass/magnetic substrate inside.
> >
> > > It's rather difficult to apply a shock exceeding spec to a laptop drive
> > > without showing external damage.
> >
> > Agreed. But make something idiot-proof and an idiot will find a way
> > around it.
>
> Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good odds that it was
> broken by something other than impact damage.

Yeah, mindcontrol, obviously.

 

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Odie Ferrous <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> J. Clarke wrote

>> Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good
>> odds that it was broken by something other than impact damage.

> I once received a drive that a client had put in the freezer overnight.

> Trouble is, he sealed it and submerged it in a tub of water.

> Of course, the water froze, the ice expanded, and crushed
> the entire drive to the point that the platters smashed.

You were warned about those 'mind' altering drugs and magic mushrooms.

> I didn't believe him at first, then tried it myself with an old 12mm drive.

> Quite incredible.

Completely incredible in the dictionary sense.

Ice does expand a small amount as it freezes, enough to break
a glass bottle, but not enough to crush a hard drive, stupid.

 

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Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Odie Ferrous <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:427078E3.424DE07E@hotmail.com...
> > J. Clarke wrote
>
> >> Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good
> >> odds that it was broken by something other than impact damage.
>
> > I once received a drive that a client had put in the freezer overnight.
>
> > Trouble is, he sealed it and submerged it in a tub of water.
>
> > Of course, the water froze, the ice expanded, and crushed
> > the entire drive to the point that the platters smashed.
>
> You were warned about those 'mind' altering drugs and magic mushrooms.
>
> > I didn't believe him at first, then tried it myself with an old 12mm drive.
>
> > Quite incredible.
>
> Completely incredible in the dictionary sense.
>
> Ice does expand a small amount as it freezes, enough to break
> a glass bottle, but not enough to crush a hard drive, stupid.

Pardon? You've tried this, I take it?

If not, do so.

The entire top cover was compacted sufficiently to crush the platters.
Remember I am talking about a laptop drive which has a delicate top
cover. But you probably aren't aware of that.

Would you like me to repeat the process and take some photographs to
email you? Or would that be wizardry with imagery?


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Odie Ferrous wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>> Odie Ferrous <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> message news:427078E3.424DE07E@hotmail.com...
>> > J. Clarke wrote
>>
>> >> Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good
>> >> odds that it was broken by something other than impact damage.
>>
>> > I once received a drive that a client had put in the freezer overnight.
>>
>> > Trouble is, he sealed it and submerged it in a tub of water.
>>
>> > Of course, the water froze, the ice expanded, and crushed
>> > the entire drive to the point that the platters smashed.
>>
>> You were warned about those 'mind' altering drugs and magic mushrooms.
>>
>> > I didn't believe him at first, then tried it myself with an old 12mm
>> > drive.
>>
>> > Quite incredible.
>>
>> Completely incredible in the dictionary sense.
>>
>> Ice does expand a small amount as it freezes, enough to break
>> a glass bottle, but not enough to crush a hard drive, stupid.
>
> Pardon? You've tried this, I take it?
>
> If not, do so.
>
> The entire top cover was compacted sufficiently to crush the platters.
> Remember I am talking about a laptop drive which has a delicate top
> cover. But you probably aren't aware of that.
>
> Would you like me to repeat the process and take some photographs to
> email you? Or would that be wizardry with imagery?

The expansion is not "a small amount". It's 9 percent, which is quite a
lot.

> Odie

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In article <4270937E.EF2A8A22@hotmail.com>, Odie Ferrous
<odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> writes

>Pardon? You've tried this, I take it?

I wouldn't bother engaging in a battle of wits with Woddles, since you'd
be fighting an unarmed man.

 

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"Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4270937E.EF2A8A22@hotmail.com...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>> Odie Ferrous <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> message news:427078E3.424DE07E@hotmail.com...
>> > J. Clarke wrote
>>
>> >> Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good
>> >> odds that it was broken by something other than impact damage.
>>
>> > I once received a drive that a client had put in the freezer overnight.
>>
>> > Trouble is, he sealed it and submerged it in a tub of water.
>>
>> > Of course, the water froze, the ice expanded, and crushed
>> > the entire drive to the point that the platters smashed.
>>
>> You were warned about those 'mind' altering drugs and magic mushrooms.
>>
>> > I didn't believe him at first, then tried it myself with an old 12mm drive.
>>
>> > Quite incredible.
>>
>> Completely incredible in the dictionary sense.
>>
>> Ice does expand a small amount as it freezes, enough to break
>> a glass bottle, but not enough to crush a hard drive, stupid.
>
> Pardon? You've tried this, I take it?
>
> If not, do so.

> The entire top cover was compacted sufficiently to crush the platters.

Completely off with the fairys cloud cuckooland, as always.

> Remember I am talking about a laptop drive which has a
> delicate top cover. But you probably aren't aware of that.

Pathetic, really.

> Would you like me to repeat the process and take some photographs
> to email you? Or would that be wizardry with imagery?

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, actually.

 

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:d4qicg0s6f@news1.newsguy.com...
> Odie Ferrous wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>> Odie Ferrous <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> message news:427078E3.424DE07E@hotmail.com...
>>> > J. Clarke wrote
>>>
>>> >> Be interesting to know what the guy did to it--I'd lay good
>>> >> odds that it was broken by something other than impact damage.
>>>
>>> > I once received a drive that a client had put in the freezer overnight.
>>>
>>> > Trouble is, he sealed it and submerged it in a tub of water.
>>>
>>> > Of course, the water froze, the ice expanded, and crushed
>>> > the entire drive to the point that the platters smashed.
>>>
>>> You were warned about those 'mind' altering drugs and magic mushrooms.
>>>
>>> > I didn't believe him at first, then tried it myself with an old 12mm
>>> > drive.
>>>
>>> > Quite incredible.
>>>
>>> Completely incredible in the dictionary sense.
>>>
>>> Ice does expand a small amount as it freezes, enough to break
>>> a glass bottle, but not enough to crush a hard drive, stupid.
>>
>> Pardon? You've tried this, I take it?
>>
>> If not, do so.
>>
>> The entire top cover was compacted sufficiently to crush the platters.
>> Remember I am talking about a laptop drive which has a delicate top
>> cover. But you probably aren't aware of that.
>>
>> Would you like me to repeat the process and take some photographs to
>> email you? Or would that be wizardry with imagery?
>
> The expansion is not "a small amount". It's 9 percent, which is quite a
> lot.

Not in the situation where the hard drive is in the water.

Nothing like enough to 'crush the entire drive to the point that the platters
smashed'

He's completely off with the fairys, as always.