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Hello,
I am looking for fastest raid 0 storage solution for a workstation. Is
Adaptec 39320 controler + 6 Fujitsu mas 36gb 15000 rpm drives u 320 the
fastest i could get or is there something else, faster? Thanks
 
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> Hello,
> I am looking for fastest raid 0 storage solution for a workstation. Is
> Adaptec 39320 controler + 6 Fujitsu mas 36gb 15000 rpm drives u 320 the
> fastest i could get or is there something else, faster? Thanks

Fast is a generic term. Be more specific. Fast RAID for a
database, web server or a streaming application requires a
different selection criteria.
 
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U comp.periphs.scsi .::SuperBLUE::. <superblue@dontusefakkevip.hr> prica:
> I am looking for fastest raid 0 storage solution for a workstation. Is
> Adaptec 39320 controler + 6 Fujitsu mas 36gb 15000 rpm drives u 320 the
> fastest i could get or is there something else, faster? Thanks

39320 is not a RAID controller... You could possibly use software RAID0
solution, but I don't recommend it... Here is a list of Adaptec's RAID
controllers:

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppbyproduct.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=%2FTechnology%2FRAID&fromPage=supportindex

Also check LSI and ICP Vortex...


Second... What kind of speed you need? Fast read, write, seek?


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Don't be stupid. Hardware RAID is of no benefit on the desktop, especially
from Adaptec.

If you do not have PCI-X, the fastest (STR) available is RAID 0 on Intel's
i9XX and nForce4 SATA2.

If you want a fast workstation, get a 15K SCSI OS drive, and IDE for data.

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> 39320 is not a RAID controller... You could possibly use software RAID0
> solution, but I don't recommend it... Here is a list of Adaptec's RAID
> controllers:
>
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppbyproduct.jsp?sess=no&language=E
nglish+US&cat=%2FTechnology%2FRAID&fromPage=supportindex
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<calypso@fly.srk.fer.hr.invalid> wrote in message news:d4g3q8$4pe$3@bagan.srce.hr
> U comp.periphs.scsi .::SuperBLUE::. <superblue@dontusefakkevip.hr> prica:
> > I am looking for fastest raid 0 storage solution for a workstation.
> > Is Adaptec 39320 controler + 6 Fujitsu mas 36gb 15000 rpm drives
> > u 320 the fastest i could get or is there something else, faster? Thanks
>

> 39320 is not a RAID controller...

Yes, it is. Just not an all purpose one.

> You could possibly use software RAID0 solution,

That is what all RAID is, software.
The only difference is where this software runs on/runs in,
whether that's a dedicated processor, bios+driver or driver only.

> but I don't recommend it...

Who cares what you recommend.

> Here is a list of Adaptec's RAID controllers:
>
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppbyproduct.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=%2FTechnology%2FRAID&fromPage=supportindex
>
> Also check LSI and ICP Vortex...
>
>
> Second... What kind of speed you need? Fast read, write, seek?

Do you always have to ask questions that the post already answers?
 
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"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d4gcdv01sur@enews2.newsguy.com
> Don't be stupid. Hardware RAID is of no benefit on the desktop, especially
> from Adaptec.
>
> If you do not have PCI-X, the fastest (STR) available is RAID 0 on Intel's
> i9XX and nForce4 SATA2.
>
> If you want a fast workstation, get a 15K SCSI OS drive, and IDE for data.

And you said "Don't be stupid"?

>
> <calypso@fly.srk.fer.hr.invalid> wrote in message
> news:d4g3q8$4pe$3@bagan.srce.hr...
> >
> > 39320 is not a RAID controller... You could possibly use software RAID0
> > solution, but I don't recommend it... Here is a list of Adaptec's RAID
> > controllers:
> >
> >
> http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppbyproduct.jsp?sess=no&language=E
> nglish+US&cat=%2FTechnology%2FRAID&fromPage=supportindex
 
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"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message
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> "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Don't be stupid. Hardware RAID is of no benefit on the desktop,
especially
> > from Adaptec.
> >
> > If you do not have PCI-X, the fastest (STR) available is RAID 0 on
Intel's
> > i9XX and nForce4 SATA2.
> >
> > If you want a fast workstation, get a 15K SCSI OS drive, and IDE for
data.
>
> And you said "Don't be stupid"?
>
This is an A/V workstation. 7200 IDE has taken over 10K SCSI in this
application, because of price and drive capacity.

4 IDE drives will do 300MB/s today, an Ultra320 channel is less.

Tell us Folknuts, what would you recommend? Or are you just going to troll?
 
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You could possibly use software RAID0
> solution, but I don't recommend it...

Why not? Will it make a serious impact on performance of a dual opteron.

> Second... What kind of speed you need? Fast read, write, seek?

Fastest possible - read, write, seek.

http://www.fcpa.fujitsu.com/products/hard-drives/mas-15k-rpm/specifications.
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..::SuperBLUE::. wrote:

> You could possibly use software RAID0
>> solution, but I don't recommend it...
>
> Why not? Will it make a serious impact on performance of a dual opteron.
>
>> Second... What kind of speed you need? Fast read, write, seek?
>
> Fastest possible - read, write, seek.
>
>
http://www.fcpa.fujitsu.com/products/hard-drives/mas-15k-rpm/specifications.
> html

If your only criterion is "the fastest possible" then you want a RAM based
device, not disk.

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> Fast is a generic term. Be more specific. Fast RAID for a
> database, web server or a streaming application requires a
> different selection criteria.

This workstation is used for various 35mm film and hdtv video production
effects.
 
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..::SuperBLUE::. <superblue@dontusefakkevip.hr> wrote:

> This workstation is used for various 35mm film and hdtv video production
> effects.

So you need fast reads and writes on large files, but not extremely fast
access. For this application, the high (15k) rpm drives you mentioned
won't provide much additional benefit to offset their high cost.
 
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..::SuperBLUE::. wrote:

>> 39320 is not a RAID controller...
> http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?cat=sccraid&sort=p

Depends on your definition. It appears to be host-based, in other words
it's software RAID only with BIOS support for boot.

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"Peter" <peterfoxghost@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:l0Mae.71$BW6.9170@news20.bellglobal.com
> > Hello,
> > I am looking for fastest raid 0 storage solution for a workstation. Is
> > Adaptec 39320 controler + 6 Fujitsu mas 36gb 15000 rpm drives u 320 the
> > fastest i could get or is there something else, faster? Thanks
>
> Fast is a generic term. Be more specific.

> Fast RAID for a database, web server or a streaming application
> requires a different selection criteria.

Oh? How so?
 
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U comp.periphs.scsi Eric Gisin <ericgisin@hotmail.com> prica:
> 4 IDE drives will do 300MB/s today, an Ultra320 channel is less.

Well, to tell you the truth... RAID0 over 12 Hitachi 160GB/8MB 7K250 drives
(SATA), on 3Ware 9500S-12 SATA RAID controller, and I could get 350MB/s read
and 210MB/s write speed... How the heck could you get 300MB/s on 4 ATA
drives?!!!!!

3Ware 9500S-12, 128MB cache, PCI-X 66MHz
12x Hitachi 7K250, 160GB/8MB, 64kb stripe size

The machine was a video-capture workstation... Tested with BlackMagic Design
software for video-capture speed testing... Capture card was BlackMagic
Design DectLink Extreme IIRC...


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<calypso@fly.srk.fer.hr.invalid> wrote in message
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> U comp.periphs.scsi Eric Gisin <ericgisin@hotmail.com> prica:
> > 4 IDE drives will do 300MB/s today, an Ultra320 channel is less.
>
> Well, to tell you the truth... RAID0 over 12 Hitachi 160GB/8MB 7K250 drives
> (SATA), on 3Ware 9500S-12 SATA RAID controller, and I could get 350MB/s
read
> and 210MB/s write speed... How the heck could you get 300MB/s on 4 ATA
> drives?!!!!!
>
> 3Ware 9500S-12, 128MB cache, PCI-X 66MHz
> 12x Hitachi 7K250, 160GB/8MB, 64kb stripe size
>
PCI-X/66 is 480MB/s, the 3ware's CPU is not capable of filling it.

On previous generation chipsets, the ICH5 was measured around 200MB/s with 4
drives a couple years ago. The ICH6-MCH link is as fast as PCI-X/133, and is
available on $100 mainboards.

Hardware RAID cards often have a STR bottleneck, which is not important for
most server applications.

> The machine was a video-capture workstation... Tested with BlackMagic
Design
> software for video-capture speed testing... Capture card was BlackMagic
> Design DectLink Extreme IIRC...
>
 
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calypso@fly.srk.fer.hr.invalid wrote:

> U comp.periphs.scsi Eric Gisin <ericgisin@hotmail.com> prica:
>> 4 IDE drives will do 300MB/s today, an Ultra320 channel is less.
>
> Well, to tell you the truth... RAID0 over 12 Hitachi 160GB/8MB 7K250
> drives (SATA), on 3Ware 9500S-12 SATA RAID controller, and I could get
> 350MB/s read and 210MB/s write speed... How the heck could you get 300MB/s
> on 4 ATA drives?!!!!!

Under ideal conditions for one rotation?

> 3Ware 9500S-12, 128MB cache, PCI-X 66MHz
> 12x Hitachi 7K250, 160GB/8MB, 64kb stripe size
>
> The machine was a video-capture workstation... Tested with BlackMagic
> Design software for video-capture speed testing... Capture card was
> BlackMagic Design DectLink Extreme IIRC...
>
>

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U comp.periphs.scsi Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> prica:
>> 39320 is not a RAID controller...
> Yes, it is. Just not an all purpose one.

? Hmmm? 39320 is, accoring to Adaptec's support page plain SCSI HBA... RAID?
Sorry, I couldn't find any RAID funcion in it... Any links?

>> You could possibly use software RAID0 solution,
> That is what all RAID is, software.
> The only difference is where this software runs on/runs in,
> whether that's a dedicated processor, bios+driver or driver only.

OK, I get your point...

>> but I don't recommend it...
> Who cares what you recommend.

Well, yes, who cares?

>> Second... What kind of speed you need? Fast read, write, seek?
> Do you always have to ask questions that the post already answers?

I intend to get as much info as possible...


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U comp.periphs.scsi .::SuperBLUE::. <superblue@dontusefakkevip.hr> prica:

> This workstation is used for various 35mm film and hdtv video production
> effects.

Now we're talking... :)

I believe you'll need some kind of redundancy (don't forget backups too)...
RAID10 would be my option here... Speed of RAID0 + redundancy of RAID1...
I'd go with hardware based RAID controller... Check ICP Vortex and LSI
Logic... Don't know about Adaptec's, some models aren't very good
performers...

http://www.icp-vortex.com/english/product/prodrdy_e.htm

http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/index.html


BTW, there could be some problems with software RAID (hence, hardware RAID
too!)... Like some strange drops in read/write speed if stripe size is not
set properly... Don't ask me how to set it properly, try every stripe size,
and see how it performs (using HDTach or some other benchmark utility)...
Just to let you know about that... :)


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> > You could possibly use software RAID0 solution,
>
> That is what all RAID is, software.
> The only difference is where this software runs on/runs in,
> whether that's a dedicated processor, bios+driver or driver only.

Software RAIDs are often more reliable and better coded then hardware ones. The
Linux community or Veritas Corp (MS licensed the lite version of Veritas's VxVM
to Windows as "Dynamic Disk") can produce better code then the small company
with small development bugdets and heavy time-to-market requirements.

The only drawbacks of the software RAID are a) hardships in some OSes like
Windows in booting from it - Windows can boot from mirror only, not from stripe
or span set or RAID5 b) RAID5 checksum calculation is done by the host CPU,
which is slow.

If one does not use RAID5, but uses mirror - then I see no advantages in
hardware RAID.

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Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:

>> > You could possibly use software RAID0 solution,
>>
>> That is what all RAID is, software.
>> The only difference is where this software runs on/runs in,
>> whether that's a dedicated processor, bios+driver or driver only.
>
> Software RAIDs are often more reliable and better coded then hardware
> ones. The Linux community or Veritas Corp (MS licensed the lite version of
> Veritas's VxVM to Windows as "Dynamic Disk") can produce better code then
> the small company with small development bugdets and heavy time-to-market
> requirements.
>
> The only drawbacks of the software RAID are a) hardships in some OSes like
> Windows in booting from it - Windows can boot from mirror only, not from
> stripe or span set or RAID5 b) RAID5 checksum calculation is done by the
> host CPU, which is slow.
>
> If one does not use RAID5, but uses mirror - then I see no advantages in
> hardware RAID.

Unless your main process is CPU-bound.
>

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Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:

....

> If one does not use RAID5, but uses mirror - then I see no advantages in
> hardware RAID.

Well, if your controller has even a very small amount of NVRAM in which
to record current write operations, the hardware approach can avoid the
need to perform a complete mirror resynch after something as common as a
power failure (even when such software resynchs are done in the
background, they consume disk performance resources). And if your
controller has somewhat more (preferably mirrored) NVRAM, it can perform
some significant write-back optimizations on the write stream (while
significantly improving perceived write latency in the process).

Other than that, and avoiding the additional processor interrupts and
bus and memory activity which software mirroring requires, I agree.

- bill
 
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> > Fast is a generic term. Be more specific. Fast RAID for a
> > database, web server or a streaming application requires a
> > different selection criteria.
>
> This workstation is used for various 35mm film and hdtv video production
> effects.

Do you have or already decided what video production hardware
(like capture cards) you are going to have?

Same for the workstation. Do you have it already and now looking
for a fast storage system, or still trying to decide which workstation
to get?
 
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My experiments with Win2003 server backed by EMC CX-700 (2Gbit
fibre-channel) show that best throughput was achieved with hardware RAID-10
sets striped in software so that multiple LUNs were visible to the OS. With
a 2Tb drive created from five 400Gb RAID-10 sets each consisting of six
133Gb drives, throughput was several hundred percent better than with the
RAID-10 all done in hardware and only presenting a single LUN to the OS.
OTOH, with Win2000 as the OS the software striping gave no appreciable
advantage over the hardware striping.

My testing was done with the MS Loadsim 2003 stress test tool for simulating
a production Exchange environment.

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U comp.periphs.scsi Eric Gisin <ericgisin@hotmail.com> prica:
> PCI-X/66 is 480MB/s, the 3ware's CPU is not capable of filling it.

Theoretically - 64bit * 66MHz / 8bit/byte= 528MB/s

I am not so sure that 9500S-12 is not capable of doing it... We're talking
about real read/write speed (used by BlackMagic Design application)...

> On previous generation chipsets, the ICH5 was measured around 200MB/s with 4
> drives a couple years ago. The ICH6-MCH link is as fast as PCI-X/133, and is
> available on $100 mainboards.

Well, great... On which drives, and what speed is measured? Host to buffer
or what? 200MB/s on 4 drives is hard to believe... Real performanse, of
course...


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