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Anonymous
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June 20, 2005 11:46:11 PM

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A non-techie friend has bought an external hard drive, but didn't
realize she needs backup software, too. I use Ghost, but I think it's
too complicated and she'll never use it. So what else should I suggest.
Remember, the emphasis is on SIMPLICITY. Thanks

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Anonymous
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June 21, 2005 5:00:29 AM

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jmhiggins@gmail.com wrote:

> A non-techie friend has bought an external hard drive, but didn't
> realize she needs backup software, too. I use Ghost, but I think it's
> too complicated and she'll never use it. So what else should I suggest.
> Remember, the emphasis is on SIMPLICITY. Thanks

Well, there's Windows Backup.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Anonymous
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June 21, 2005 9:54:02 AM

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<jmhiggins@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> A non-techie friend has bought an external hard drive, but didn't
> realize she needs backup software, too. I use Ghost, but I think it's
> too complicated and she'll never use it. So what else should I suggest.
> Remember, the emphasis is on SIMPLICITY. Thanks

TrueImage www.acronis.com
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June 21, 2005 1:04:00 PM

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> A non-techie friend has bought an external hard drive, but didn't
> realize she needs backup software, too. I use Ghost, but I think it's
> too complicated and she'll never use it. So what else should I suggest.
> Remember, the emphasis is on SIMPLICITY. Thanks

Answer depends on backup user requirements, current hardware
and operating system. Provide more details - you will get more
accurate response.
Anonymous
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June 21, 2005 3:47:34 PM

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jmhiggins@gmail.com wrote:

> A non-techie friend has bought an external hard drive, but didn't
> realize she needs backup software, too. I use Ghost, but I think it's
> too complicated and she'll never use it. So what else should I suggest.
> Remember, the emphasis is on SIMPLICITY. Thanks
>
If you bought a maxtor/wd external, they should come with their own
backup software that can be automated or tied to start with the press of
the HD case button.

Otherwise, if you bought a simpletech drive, there's storagesync free
(http://www.simpletech.com/commercial/storagesync/index....) (actually,
the free version works with any external drive I've tested!)

Ghost is pretty simple, IMO, but if you want an alternative that's
automated, Acronis will do fine as well
(http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage...).

---

You can also create DOS batch scripts that'll do it just fine as well.

Simply drop in a command to delete all of the old files in the external
drive letter, then xcopy every file from your HD to the external one.

It won't let you restore a bootable drive like Ghost or Acronis, but it
will backup all of the important files you use.

If she only puts things on her desktop or My Documents folder, you can
simply do a script that'll backup just those two alone - and drop a icon
shortcut to the desktop for her to click on.

=)
Anonymous
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June 22, 2005 10:11:55 AM

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David Chien <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote in message
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> jmhiggins@gmail.com wrote:

>> A non-techie friend has bought an external hard drive, but didn't
>> realize she needs backup software, too. I use Ghost, but I think it's too
>> complicated and she'll never use it. So what else should I suggest. Remember,
>> the emphasis is on SIMPLICITY. Thanks

> If you bought a maxtor/wd external, they should come with their own backup
> software that can be automated or tied to start with the press of the HD case
> button.

> Otherwise, if you bought a simpletech drive, there's storagesync free
> (http://www.simpletech.com/commercial/storagesync/index....) (actually, the
> free version works with any external drive I've tested!)

> Ghost is pretty simple, IMO,

Only if nothing goes wrong. Its a dog if it doesnt go as it should and
all symantec products can be quite buggy, they release them too early.

Particularly with automated incremental backup, Ghost
isnt really a product thats suitable for that level of user.

> but if you want an alternative that's automated, Acronis will do fine as well
> (http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage...).

> You can also create DOS batch scripts that'll do it just fine as well.

Again, not suitable for that level of user.

> Simply drop in a command to delete all of the old files in the external drive
> letter, then xcopy every file from your HD to the external one.

> It won't let you restore a bootable drive like Ghost or Acronis, but it will
> backup all of the important files you use.

> If she only puts things on her desktop or My Documents folder, you can simply
> do a script that'll backup just those two alone - and drop a icon shortcut to
> the desktop for her to click on.

Dangerous if she manages to save it somewhere else unintentionally.
Anonymous
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June 22, 2005 7:11:11 PM

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>>Ghost is pretty simple, IMO,
>
> Only if nothing goes wrong. Its a dog if it doesnt go as it should and
> all symantec products can be quite buggy, they release them too early.
>
> Particularly with automated incremental backup, Ghost
> isnt really a product thats suitable for that level of user.

(Ghost 9 isn't the best product on the planet, IMO. I prefer
off-line backups - here, the Ghost 2003, included with Ghost 9, is the
best program IMO. Has never failed to do it for me, and a simple verify
after write after making a CD-R backup has always worked fine for me.)

Hm, how about GoBack? or RAID? Seems if you want something that's
'idiot proof', you really have to think things through and plan
something more sophisticated.

another link I found that reviews simple-to-use backup software:
http://www.backup-software-reviews.com/

---

Windows also has it's own built-in schedulable backup software:
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/articles/Windows/Windows_XP_B...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;320820
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308422
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;309340

Although the restore process may be too much for her, once the
setup of the backup is fixed, it runs automatically w/o her intervention
(well, except she's got to have the power turned on on the external HD
and connected).

automatic should be simple enough for her?
Anonymous
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June 23, 2005 2:48:36 PM

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David Chien <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote in message
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>>> jmhiggins@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> A non-techie friend has bought an external hard drive, but didn't
>>>> realize she needs backup software, too. I use Ghost, but I think it's too
>>>> complicated and she'll never use it. So what else should I suggest.
>>>> Remember, the emphasis is on SIMPLICITY.

>>> Ghost is pretty simple, IMO,

>> Only if nothing goes wrong. Its a dog if it doesnt go as it should and
>> all symantec products can be quite buggy, they release them too early.

>> Particularly with automated incremental backup, Ghost
>> isnt really a product thats suitable for that level of user.

> (Ghost 9 isn't the best product on the planet, IMO.

In fact it would have to be one of the
worst of the mainstream products currently

> I prefer off-line backups - here, the Ghost 2003, included with Ghost 9, is
> the best program IMO.

Its still got real problems for that level of user.

The main problem is when image creation fails. It makes its own
temporary partition on the boot drive for the dos job and if the
image creation at the dos level fails for whatever reason, the
system wont boot anymore. Quite easy for an experienced user
to manually delete that partition and have the system boot again,
but thats not something that level of user will be able to handle.

Its user interface leaves quite a bit to be desired too, particularly
when restoring, and most users at that level have had to ask me
how to actually do a restore when one becomes necessary.

And no user at that level will ever be able to setup image creation
to a drive on the lan when the nic isnt natively supported by ghost
2003. Its a bit of a challenge even for an experienced user who
doesnt realise that the best approach is to just use bart's network
boot system and run ghost once that has booted the PC.

> Has never failed to do it for me,

It has for me. Not majorly, but then I know what I am doing.

> and a simple verify after write after making a CD-R backup has always worked
> fine for me.)

Sure, but you arent that level of user. Neither am I.

> Hm, how about GoBack?

Yeah, its really that level of product thats
more suitable for that level of user.

> or RAID?

The main problem with RAID is that it doesnt protect that
level of user from the sort of problem that often does bite
that level of user, a virus infection, user stupidity, deleting
what they later do an uh-oh about, or stuff like running a
very aggressive registry cleaner and later regretting that.

And it doesnt protect against fire, theft, flood etc either.

> Seems if you want something that's 'idiot proof', you really have to think
> things through and plan something more sophisticated.

That level of user isnt capable of doing that, which
is why the OP was asking for suggestions on that.

> another link I found that reviews simple-to-use backup software:
> http://www.backup-software-reviews.com/

Yes, that can be useful.

> Windows also has it's own built-in schedulable backup software:
> http://www.pcreview.co.uk/articles/Windows/Windows_XP_B...
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;320820
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308422
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;309340

Sure, and that has already been suggested.

> Although the restore process may be too much for her,

Yeah, thats the main downside with that route.

> once the setup of the backup is fixed, it runs automatically w/o her
> intervention (well, except she's got to have the power turned on on the
> external HD and connected).

Yeah, tho I'd personally use one of the mainstream
backup products that makes it easy for that level of
user to do the restore unaided too.

> automatic should be simple enough for her?

Sure, thats certainly very desirable with that level of user.

I'd personally use one of the mainstream commercial products
and an external USB2 hard drive with automatic backup scheduling.
Tho that route isnt ideal on the fire/theft/flood protection with that
level of user. Even if you tell them that the drive should be
physically removed offsite occasionally with two of them,
you're likely to find that when the system does get stolen,
they havent bothered to do that for months and months.
June 23, 2005 2:48:37 PM

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> I'd personally use one of the mainstream commercial products
> and an external USB2 hard drive with automatic backup scheduling.
> Tho that route isnt ideal on the fire/theft/flood protection with that
> level of user. Even if you tell them that the drive should be
> physically removed offsite occasionally with two of them,
> you're likely to find that when the system does get stolen,
> they havent bothered to do that for months and months.

That is true for any media, backup is stored to: external HD,
tape, etc.
And if you tell them that backup runs at 2:00am, they will
turn system off every evening and turn it on in the morning.

If someone doesn't care, there is nothing you can do.
Anonymous
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June 23, 2005 2:48:38 PM

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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:00:31 -0400, "Peter" <peterfoxghost@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>And if you tell them that backup runs at 2:00am, they will
>turn system off every evening and turn it on in the morning.

True Image will run at the next startup if the PC's turned off at the
scheduled time if you've told it to.

I used to always have it run at startup, but those times I needed the
PC on for days in a row wouldn't have daily backups. I changed to a 3
am schedule with a run-at-startup if it's missed, and this covers it
either way.

I also use Second Copy 2000 to copy my TI backups to a standalone
network drive, and it runs the same way.

>If someone doesn't care, there is nothing you can do.

I have this set up for a number of non-techie friends, and it works
fine for them. It's not that they don't care, it's that they don't
understand - it's a fog to them. I've found TI to be the most
idiot-proof backup system if it's set up carefully, except that it's
not very good at alerting you when it hits a wall.


--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
Anonymous
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June 23, 2005 5:12:05 PM

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Peter <peterfoxghost@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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>> I'd personally use one of the mainstream commercial products
>> and an external USB2 hard drive with automatic backup scheduling.
>> Tho that route isnt ideal on the fire/theft/flood protection with that
>> level of user. Even if you tell them that the drive should be
>> physically removed offsite occasionally with two of them,
>> you're likely to find that when the system does get stolen,
>> they havent bothered to do that for months and months.

> That is true for any media, backup is stored to: external HD, tape, etc.

Sure, but its rather more intuitive with normal
media like DVDs etc with that level of user.

> And if you tell them that backup runs at 2:00am, they will
> turn system off every evening and turn it on in the morning.

Thats not hard to handle with a decent system that prevents
the system being turned off if its got a job scheduled, or howls
about the fact that it was off and the scheduled task couldnt
be done when its turned on again after the scheduled event.

> If someone doesn't care, there is nothing you can do.

You can however prompt that level of user so its
harder for them to stuff it up or get into bad habits.

Thats just about universal now with anti virus software
and the updates to the virus definitions. That level of
user usually does get the message when hit over the
head often enough that its not being done right.

Its not rocket science.
Anonymous
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July 21, 2005 10:51:35 AM

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Acronis backup software
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage... is a very
convenient and simple program. I use it and its work fine. True image
can create an image of any partition, disk clone and other useful
things. Also, AFAIK, it compresses files stronger than other such
products.
Anonymous
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July 21, 2005 10:55:24 AM

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Acronis backup software
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage....
It is a very convenient and simple program. I use it and its work fine.
True image can create an image of any partition, disk clone and other
useful things. Also, AFAIK, it compresses files stronger than other
such products.
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