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dhlucke   11-09-2005 at 08:20:18 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/ [...] index.html

I think it's high time that they make those teachers dress like pirates and talk about HIM.

This is so stupid.

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In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.



These people are so lame.

This country is going to go to hell if we let these religious nutjobs change our schools. Why is it so hard for some people to seperate science from faith?

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 08:25:29 AM
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This is past rediculous and all the back around to funny....

I understand the need to be taught alternate POV's but sometimes people go too far trying to do something that is just rediculous.

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dhlucke   11-09-2005 at 08:28:16 AM
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The new standards include several specific challenges, including statements that there is a lack of evidence or natural explanation for the genetic code, and charges that fossil records are inconsistent with evolutionary theory.

It also states that says certain evolutionary explanations "are not based on direct observations... and often reflect... inferences from indirect or circumstantial evidence".

"This is a great day for education," board chairman Steve Abrams told the Reuters news agency.

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 08:30:25 AM
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Proponents of the change argue they are trying to expose students to legitimate scientific questions about evolution.



Bringing up the pro's and con's of a theory is good, in fact i would be very much in favor of it.

but too often thigns are black and white with people....either its creationism or its evolution.

So if there is doubt about evolution then [sarcasm]obviously[/sarcasm] creationism must be correct and taught.

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dhlucke   11-09-2005 at 08:31:49 AM
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WHY YOU SHOULD CONVERT TO FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTERISM

* Flimsy moral standards.
* Every friday is a relgious holiday. If your work/school objects to that, demand your religious beliefs are respected and threaten to call the ACLU.
* Our heaven is WAY better. We've got a Stripper Factory AND a Beer Volcano.



FSM'ism needs to be taught in schools. PERIOD!

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dhlucke   11-09-2005 at 08:34:36 AM
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Proponents of the change argue they are trying to expose students to legitimate scientific questions about evolution.



Bringing up the pro's and con's of a theory is good, in fact i would be very much in favor of it.

but too often thigns are black and white with people....either its creationism or its evolution.

So if there is doubt about evolution then [sarcasm]obviously[/sarcasm] creationism must be correct and taught.

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The theory of intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.



This is the type of thinking that we had hundreds of years ago. There is no way we can fly in an airplane or dive in the oceans. Man on the moon? No way! Earth is round? HA!

If we come to a point where everything that is complex is made by a higher power then progress is going to stop. What's complex to some people is not to others and some things that are complex simply require more research not just a complete dismissal of them and the proposal that it's automatically divine.

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 08:34:55 AM
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Gotta love the stripper factories....

You forgot to say that FSMism isn't yet proven....lol

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 08:38:24 AM
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We would love to label things devine if we can yet explain them.....

I think it would be hard to teach the downsides of evolution, its a slippery slope and some people dont want to hear it.

NO THEORY IS EVER CLOSED! PERIOD!
Ask Sir Issac what Einstein did to his work. Yeah Issac had some great stuff and it worked REALLY REALLY well....but it wasn't perfect.

Every theory is open to question....creationism and evolution alike

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dhlucke   11-09-2005 at 08:43:17 AM
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Well yeah, that's what science is about. No question there.

The thing is.....creationism has nothing to do with science. It's a religious concept that is based exclusively on faith. It has no proof at all and is simply a dismissal of science.

Science doesn't bother trying to dismiss God. Religion shouldn't bother trying to dismiss science.

Ever read the creationism evidence? They claim something completely lame about Dinosaurs living on earth a few thousand years ago.

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DINOSAURS - Every natural history museum in the world today displays large dinosaur models. Their defensive teeth, spikes and claws are often shown extended. As evidence of the prior existence of these kinds of creatures we have a myriad of bones found on multiple continents, footprints buried in sedimentary layers and ... legends. All over the world people remember the dangerous dragons of old. But they slowly went extinct. Men feared and hated them. Stories of ancient encounters with dinosaurs/dragons are found in China, Thailand, including other parts of Asia, and in Roman, Russian, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, North, South, and Central America, and across Africa too. Are we so much smarter and more academically inclined than all of our ancestors that we should reject all of their historical records - just to prop up temporary evolutionary theory?

Carbon-14 dating of carbon buried in the same layer with dragon bones helps to confirm that they are really only thousands of years old. The myth-ions and myth-ions of years never happened; only in the past 200 years has it become fashionable to forget our true ancient history (of thousands of years) in favor of God-hating (or: "bumbling-inherently-weak-god" ) evolution. Evolution requires the belief in long epochs of supposed time and chance improvements.

Dragons and sea monsters have become mostly extinct prior to our modern era. By the way, there is evidence that they grew much larger prior to the Great Flood. Just as humans lived much longer (Genesis records ages of some people to have reached over 900 years!) so a reptile ... living much longer then could have grown much larger before the Flood - which is indeed what we see in the fossil record of the pre-Flood world.

Humans and lions live on Earth at the same time today. But we live in different places. Porpoises will ram sharks that come into their waters. So naturally then they also live in different places - while living at the same time. Why couldn't humans and dinosaurs have lived at the same time? They'd probably keep mostly separate and then get buried separately if there was a catastrophe, but this could be theoretically possible, correct? There are at least two places known today with human and dinosaur tracks in the same sedimentary layer: one is in Paluxy, Texas, the other in Eastern Turkmenistan. Plus we have the legends, from all inhabited continents mind you, which should not be automatically discounted. (text by P.A.)

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 08:50:33 AM
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My personal favorite is the catholic church...the POPE HIMSELF at one time said dinosaurs never existed because god told him so.....and the pope also decreed at one time the world was flat because god wouldn't make a world that was round.

There are so many stupid things that religion has said and done over the years....I like to see religious people as sevring a good cause. Without religion or fear of an afterlife i dont think people would donate time and energy towards as many things like releif efforts, homelessness, drug adiction and other not so sexy things. I think religious people serve a purpose and religion has done a lot.

Granted its destroyed alot too, and overlooked raping children, Spanish Inquiition, Crusades, and all that....but in the long run i think they do as much good as harm.....even if it means they prey to an invisable man in the sky who knows everything yet still needs us to tell him how great he is.

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dhlucke   11-09-2005 at 08:52:25 AM
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MUTATIONS - Radioactive waste helps to increase the number of cellular mutations in life forms. Help me to send one truckload to the backyard of every evolution-teaching professor in America. Or, let's buy them big X-ray machines to use like tanning beds. …Okay, too much fun here. ….Back to serious answers.

Evolutionists have serious problems with their theory. There is still no mechanism for *how* evolution could have happened, to bolster their underlying belief system that there just can't be a God to have to answer to. Testable-repeatable science shows very, very different results than evolution teaches. Mutations are almost always harmful or (if not fatal) get reabsorbed into successive generations in any event. Inbreeding causes serious problems, not magical automatic improvements. They keep thinking that somewhere on Earth they'll find some bona fide transitional fossils. But while billions upon billions of fossils have been dug up over the years there are still zero transitional fossils that stand up to scientific scrutiny over time. All amphibians remain amphibians (reproducing within preset variational limits). All fish remain fish. All mammals have always been mammals, and within mammals (just like "kinds" within amphibians or fish, etc.), there are dog-kind of animals that keep producing only a variety of dogs as offspring. Why, you'd think that some wise Designer had encoded specific, but flexible, instructions into each type of life at the outset then let them propagate down through time.

A good engineer does not re-invent the wheel with each new model. Do you think that any of the engineers at GM, Toyota or Ford would even consider doing this when they're preparing a new automobile design? Of course not. We know that many reptile and mammal skeletons look almost the same structurally, even though the rest of each creature is extremely different. Of course! They were designed, not randomly evolved in some mystical-evolutionary sequence. Our Designer may have "mixed & matched" parts when He was designing. The human eye is closely related to the octopus eye. Human milk is closest to that of donkeys. The human skeleton may be close to that of some primates - but so many of our other biological parts are not! Evolution is a myth and underneath the covers it is actually a spiritual deception. What we see in the fossil record and in life today is actually evidence of a common Designer of it all.

When you're watching an evolutionary TV show on PBS, BBC, Discovery or other religious stations, listen for their underlying assumptions. They *know* that evolution happened. That much is a given. Okay, umm, now how this week? They're sure of only one thing - and that is that humans do not have to answer to God.

Evolution sure didn't happen by mutations or else we'd have to wait in line to buy truckloads of radioactive waste, correct? Instead, evolutionists vehemently object to my idea of using their barbeque areas for long term nuclear waste disposal. Come on, I'm just trying to help them realize their religion's potential. (Evolution is not science; it is rather a philosophy or religion - that often stands against known science.)

How many times a year do Time, Newsweek, National Geographic or other religious magazines tell us that some fossil find will "completely re-write" the evolutionary tree? They still have no mechanism and zero real transitional fossils. But they have great artist drawings to compensate for their lack of evidence! The frauds and wishful evidence of the past get scratched out and the new stuff gets wishfully drawn into place. They are just sure that it had to have happened somehow because the alternative (answering to our Creator) is unthinkable to them.

If a person doesn't get enough calcium for 10 or 20 years it affects their spinal column and posture, correct? (Such a deficiency can also have serious impacts on the circulation and central nervous systems as well, by the way.) Until about 100 years ago most people around the world ate only local foods. Local foods are grown in local soil. Got that? So then … if the local soil in some places was deficient in magnesium, iron, aluminum, or any combination of so many other minerals that we need at least trace amounts of … how would that affect their skeletal, circulatory and nervous systems…? If everybody there had low iron…? Low potassium in some areas…? We'd get a few deformed skeletons as mute testimony to the long-term deficiencies in particular locales, correct? And that's what we find.

Most hominid fossils show regular humans, over 99% (of the estimated 7,000 total) are pretty normal. But a few old human skeletons are misshaped. Perhaps there was inbreeding or as mentioned above some nutritional deficiencies in those areas? Less than 1% of all the hominid fossils found (again, about 7,000 total now) are odd enough that evolutionists jump on them for media attention and then apply for grant monies. But even with a few odd enough hominid fossils (maybe 40 or 50 out of the thousands and thousands that have been found, less than 1% of the total, remember this!) there is definitely no progression. The fossils just aren't there to support evolution. And virtually all mutations are harmful. So, be logical and consider creation theory. (text by P.A.)

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Snorkius   11-09-2005 at 08:55:40 AM
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Already the egyptians knew that the earth was round. Classical mathematicians even figured out the radius using shadows cast from very tall buildings.

And Columbus was just a lucky dumbass: he argued, wrongly, not that the earth was round, but that it was smaller than calculated.

Imagine for a moment that the lucky happenstance of the american continent did not come about? Columbus would have been eaten by his starving sailors at around Idaho, and we would know him as the greatest dumbass to ever set sail.

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 08:59:03 AM
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Inbreeding causes serious problems, not magical automatic improvements



How did we all come from two people? think about the family tree...thats one giant inbreeding.


i have no problem with this guy point out the lack of evidence for evolution, because it is a flawed theory.....but just because evolution is wrong doesn't automatically prove that creationism is right. That is my only problem with this guy.

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 09:02:33 AM
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I thought that one dude udes irrigation wells....i could be wrong....and they could have used buildings too...i just thought that first guy, who i can't remember now, use wells.

Columbus....trust me my friend you dont want to go there, i will have a blood vessel in my head explode. I LOATHE THAT SON OF A BITCH!! HE DIDN'T DO A GOD DAMN THING OTHER THEN GET LUCKY. How can you DISCOVER a place where people already live?

That would be like me going into your yard putting my flag in it and claiming its mine and forcing you to move.

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Snorkius   11-09-2005 at 09:11:30 AM
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The point is, ancient scientists(or philosophers, call them what you will) knew that the earth was round, and even figured out the size.

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pickxx   11-09-2005 at 09:15:04 AM
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but they were wrong....the pope said so, and the pope speaks for god, and god is never wrong.[/religious insanity]

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stefan   11-09-2005 at 09:57:39 AM
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gross quotes you are giving us here!
this P.A.-guy of the creationist lobby surly must be a hell of a NLP-savvy. i'm quite sure, the Scientology-guys will have their eyes on him...

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Wolfy   11-09-2005 at 11:05:43 AM
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heh heh. Creationism. Love it.

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BomberBill   11-09-2005 at 02:15:08 PM
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Hey, I just saw Kindom of Heaven - fantasy fiction within a factual historical context - for the first time and having seen that I'm not surprised to see your link.

D, since the dawning of the age of homo-homo-sapiens, we've let our imgained realities conflict with our actual, sensory ones. A person's faith [whether it be religious or otherwise], when fanatical or delusional, is nigh impossible to break with 'fact' or 'science'.

I'm with you on this one bud and I'm seeing a similar go over here in Oz schools.

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dhlucke   11-09-2005 at 02:33:58 PM
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*worships your avatar*

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BomberBill   11-09-2005 at 02:40:26 PM
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Mate, she certainly cheers me up!

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Matisaro   11-11-2005 at 09:41:34 AM
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I hate stupidity, I hate the religious right.

I like cake.

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BigMac   11-11-2005 at 09:50:20 AM
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*worships your avatar*



*wonders why dh worships two gay bunnies*

The spaghetti monster operates in mysterious ways.

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dhlucke   11-11-2005 at 10:15:42 PM
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Oh you are good! Evil good! :twisted:

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Snorkius   11-12-2005 at 12:42:22 AM
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People like this shame me as a christian and, indeed, as a human.

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WingDing   11-12-2005 at 12:46:46 AM
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...*wails to the judgemental, self-important snorkius*...

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 01:34:31 AM
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It's not my religion. What's next? Suicide bombers probably. 8O

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Snorkius   11-12-2005 at 02:48:54 AM
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No need for that! God will punish you with many punishments!
</stupid twatwaffle>

Side note: There is a big difference between religion and faith/ideology. I don't consider christianity a religion.

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 02:57:44 AM
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What? It follows a mythical book called the bible and is based upon a series of faiths. How is it NOT a religion?

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pickxx   11-12-2005 at 03:01:25 AM
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Actually the book isn't mythical....its real, i have seen it before.

You mean they follow a book of myths?

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 03:06:18 AM
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Ok my beer made my words not work right. I studied parts of the bible in my mythology class as a creation story along with those from other major cultures and places in the world. Put in that context it makes a lot more sense.

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Snorkius   11-12-2005 at 03:06:32 AM
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Catholicism is a religion. Baptism is a religion.

Christianity is a faith.

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 03:07:42 AM
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I don't understand. Christians follow the church just as those other ones do.

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Snorkius   11-12-2005 at 03:17:06 AM
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All those things that a church does, all the dogma and all the hundreds of ways of interpreting the bible is religion and church specific.

The basic ideology and belief in god is faith. It has little to do with concrete traditions and nothing to do with clergy and their sometimes less-than-holy actions.

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 03:18:06 AM
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Just thought I'd interject that the only people on the forum right now are the 5 or so of us in this section. That's funny.

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pickxx   11-12-2005 at 03:19:19 AM
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I see what he is saying....and i guess i would agree


you say Christians follow "the church"

Well there are crhsitians who have a house of worship that is not called a church. Also lutherans and Catholics are both technically christians but the differ on quite a bit...to call them the same would be wrong.

You only have to beleive in God and Jesus being his son and savior to be a christian.

To be Catholic, lutheran, baptist, or anything you have much more of a structure.

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 03:19:46 AM
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So do you subscribe to any organized religion? I fully support people having faith in whatever they want (preferably he who has a noodly appendage though) but can't stand the way organized religion is run and how it tells people what to think.

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pickxx   11-12-2005 at 03:34:33 AM
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I was raised a Luth. but i dont like the politics...

example
"its a sin to be gay, we must shun them and have pitty on them"

Not treating your neighbor as yourself is a sin DIRECTLY from the 10 commandments...but that doesn't count i guess.

There is no room for discussion either.

I would say i am not religiuos but i am not void of beliefs.

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 03:37:07 AM
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Wow. Put a beer in me and your avatar is mighty distracting.

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Snorkius   11-12-2005 at 03:42:18 AM
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pickxx: I think the most important part of Christianity is the 'love your neighbor' humanitarian philosophy and just the philosophy in general - I find it the most non-evil philosophy of any religion.

And dh, I do subscribe, but by choice. I was asked to be baptised after much thought. IMO, even though it's called orthodox it's the least restrictive church I know. My priest dissuades anyone from reading the old testament, for instance. Things like the symbolism in the bible are not imortant next to trying to be a 'good' person, and the old testament does more harm than good for the people who don't understand.

Just look at Kansas.

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pickxx   11-12-2005 at 03:46:21 AM
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Wow. Put a beer in me and your avatar is mighty distracting.



if thats distracting what is this?


**EDIT**
oops

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Snorkius   11-12-2005 at 03:53:36 AM
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Hot like fire!

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pickxx   11-12-2005 at 03:55:29 AM
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Thats why she is a Victoria Secret Angel....

SHe is why i love my decktop background....so yummy

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alltaken   11-12-2005 at 04:33:44 AM
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Lots of my mates are catholic, one of my real good mates is totally into his science....and has a picture of the pope on his wall.

he said there was no conflict between evolution and god, since god would of course be smart enough to have invented evolution in the first place :P

he believes strongly in both science and religion. i don't see how these fundamentalists came about to trying to denounce science with science... i.e. the church has a number of scientists trying to prove science wrong.... but if science is wrong then how can you use it to disprove it LOL.

like any religious debate, you can't win a religious debate by quoting the bible LOL.

scary times

Alltaken

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 04:35:40 AM
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Wow. That woman is hot! :trophy:

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pickxx   11-12-2005 at 04:39:39 AM
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Really? i hadn't noticed....


**EDIT**
oops

EDIT* my friend is distracting me on IM with stories about BJ's....sorry
(i have edited this like 6 times, keep messing it up....)

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dhlucke   11-12-2005 at 04:44:31 AM
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Stories about BJ's? This better be a girl.

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pickxx   11-12-2005 at 04:49:57 AM
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Yes, its a girl...

She was telling me how she gives the world greatest BJ.....and explaining why she is the best....

She is super cute and i have had a crush on her for about 8years, so its hard to pay attention

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Auburn9698   11-12-2005 at 04:51:40 AM
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And you're on the computer because....umm...why is that, again? :lol:

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