Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question
Closed

The Reason Why Apple Uses Integrated Battery Designs

Last response: in News comments
Share
December 3, 2011 1:23:01 PM

They're trying to patent that horrible idea? Good, maybe then no one else will be so stupid as to try it... That was initially my biggest complaint about the iStuff... Consumers NEED the ability to replace the battery or you are greedily forcing them to spend big $ on maintenance and/or replacement. That, IMHO, is akin to gouging with our dependency on electronics today. While I'm not an Apple fan myself, this one one of the enormous "avoid at all cost" items that they continued to do which just made NO sense to me.
Score
30
December 3, 2011 1:23:42 PM

how long before apple sues dell for the OLD Pentium 1 era laptop that had a battery you couldnt remove without desalinating the case... seriously...

"a plurality of battery cells, wherein each battery cell is directly attached to a housing for enclosing operational components of the portable computing device, […] wherein the protective structure is configured to protect the battery cell from a compressive force applied to the housing of the portable computing device, the protective structure being attached to or integral with the housing and having a height greater than that of each of the battery cells."

so are they going to sue radioshack for some of their phone designs?

another vaguely worded patent that could lead to trolling... at least they HAVE WORKING MODELS +1 for not patenting air... oh wait.. apple will name some new uber small laptop the apple iAir or something...
Score
19
Related resources
December 3, 2011 1:24:34 PM

dismantling NOT desalinating.. stupid andriod auto spell check
Score
5
December 3, 2011 1:52:50 PM

Its fine to have custom batteries. That lets you squeeze them in awkward nooks in a device. The problem with every iDevice is that they vacuum seal everything shut so you can never alter it.

It isn't a bad vision - abstract away the hardware and ignore it. But that is also ignorant to how hardware, even Apples stuff, will fail, and doing something like what Apple does in such a circumstance is just a money grab to force you to send it back.

It's one of the reasons I don't buy apple stuff. I understand the people that do and the market is fine - people who want an experience without having to worry about the device itself get their best shot at never worrying about hardware with Apple stuff. It is just when something goes wrong, they pay out their bum to fix it.
Score
1
December 3, 2011 2:12:32 PM

This is pure BS of patent and will hurt other manufacturers who have batteries also embedded to back cover, back plate or w/e they call it. Two reasons are why this patent and idea of embedding battery is bad. Patent is BS because it's same as if someone tried to patent knifes with folding blade. It's already existing technical solution and because of it's wide usage it belongs to public domain. Not to mention previous art argument, heck I remember 7 years ago I had dumb phone with embedded battery.
Embedding battery is bad because all protection from pressure mechanisms can be implemented in battery itself, while leaving back cover unattached to it. The problem is that back cover get scratched from various reasons and why anyone in his/her right mind would have to buy whole battery?

Anyway I can't prevent wondering how much did mr Perry or Tom's got for this article from Apple, because this is blatant serving of PR BS cooked in Apples kitchen.
Score
14
December 3, 2011 2:14:37 PM

Dispite all that they can't say that an iPhone has a better battery than another smart phone. Especially with all the recent iPhone4S battery fails. My wife has an iPhone 4 and I have an Android. Battery life is about the same. And user experience? Not based on a fancy battery design.
Score
3
December 3, 2011 2:18:16 PM

SirGCalThey're trying to patent that horrible idea? Good, maybe then no one else will be so stupid as to try it... That was initially my biggest complaint about the iStuff... Consumers NEED the ability to replace the battery or you are greedily forcing them to spend big $ on maintenance and/or replacement. That, IMHO, is akin to gouging with our dependency on electronics today. While I'm not an Apple fan myself, this one one of the enormous "avoid at all cost" items that they continued to do which just made NO sense to me.

When you have to replace battery it's not such big additional expense of replacing back cover too. If battery is broken you have to replace it. But big expense hike is when you want replace back cover because of scratches. And that's the reason why Apple use embedded batteries. Other use them to decrease thickness of device, not Apple though.
Score
-7
December 3, 2011 2:25:54 PM

w/e this article did not convince me it was a good idea. All I can see is Apple making profit from people needing a new battery. I've never had a battery problem in ANY product but Apple's iPod.

I don't buy Apple products because of these types of stupid decisions.
Score
4
December 3, 2011 2:28:48 PM

Obviously the Apple "experience" term here is intended or applied for general consumers and not for avid gadget aficionados. However add to the non removable battery experience the 1000 cycles Apple claims and if everything goes fine the sealed package wont be an issue for most people.

But I am fine building, upgrading or replacing everything myself and at least with the Apple pro line I would expect to be able to replace the battery even if this requires a bit more work.
Score
0
December 3, 2011 2:29:40 PM

Apple must consider its fan base to be a bunch of morons. Who in their right mind would want a device like a laptop with an inaccessible battery? To make a battery housing that is accessible is nearly trivial and provides the user with a multitude of options. I remember watching a video discussing where a class action suit was filed against Apple as a result of this practice and subsequently they agreed to replace the battery on devices whose battery had stopped operating after only months of use. As imagined, Apple was telling customers that it was cheaper to buy the device anew than to replace the battery.
Score
8
December 3, 2011 2:40:19 PM

My friend wanted to replace his own iPhone battery and broke his in call speaker. The reason they have an integrated battery is so you either pay them to replace it or buy a new iPhone.
Score
13
December 3, 2011 3:05:18 PM

If I can't replace something as basic as a battery, then I won't be getting the product.

They talk big about "it's all about the experience", but they forget that when you run out of battery, it's the worst of all experiences; specially when you need the thing the most. If there's no way that I can get a replacement for the battery so I can change it, it's a bad purchase IMO.

I have replacement batteries for almost every device in my house. There's no way I want to trade off practicality for style/looks.

Cheers!
Score
8
December 3, 2011 3:17:26 PM

Don't batteries decay over time and lose their total charge capacity? My 6 years old laptop, which originally had about 90 minutes of battery life under full load, now has a little under 40 minutes under full load.
Score
2
December 3, 2011 3:28:48 PM

greghomeBad Experiences right ?


I would assume so. If a battery dies on a iPhone or any device like that, then you are screwed short of going to a Apple store. And last I checked, they don't do much. Hell I have had a MacBook and a HDD from a Mac PC in here to recover data because the Apple stores wont do it for them.

If Apple is not willing to recover data for consumers when the HDD goes bad, then why would they replace the battery in a iPhone? Instead you have to buy a new iPhone or whatever iDevice it is and due to that, Apple makes more money than they would if you could buy a new battery. Most batteries are about $30 bucks for a Android device. If Apple did that, they would only make a couple bucks, $20 at most. Instead you buy a new iDevice and they make much more money.

And the battery will degrade over time, another issue. With my Bionic I can replace that battery when it starts holding less of a charge but the iPhone, nope.

Its not about the "Experience" with Apple. Its about total control. You can't replace batteries, you can't legally (I know about the Hackintosh) install OSX on a custom built PC and customizing a Mac is nill to none compared to a PC/Android phone etc. Apple is about controling their product and telling you what you want. Anyone who thinks it is about the "Experience" has fallen prey to Apples marketing mojo.

I for one wont have that. I love a nice custom built PC. Give me a Corsair 500R or 650D and I can make a beauty of a machine that I like.

So to all those who like Apple, enjoy being told what you need and whats cool. I will stick with my choice of everything.
Score
11
December 3, 2011 3:48:52 PM

i don't like the idea of being able to patent how and where a battery is put in a device. How about if i patent a plurality of battery cells placed internally in the front or back or left side or right side or in middle or on top or bottom of or attached externally to a device
Score
3
December 3, 2011 3:56:19 PM

Apple wanted to charge me around $150 to replace my iPhone battery, so yeah, go ahead and patent it, at least no other company will use that dumbass idea.
Score
8
December 3, 2011 4:01:18 PM

Full of crap............

Anyways, that only stopped me for like 3 minutes....
Score
-4
December 3, 2011 4:06:05 PM

Marketing fluff being passed off as "news"... this is why nobody takes Tom's seriously anymore. Who's pocket are you in????
Score
2
December 3, 2011 4:12:13 PM

I've had numerous i-devices over the years and never needed to replace the battery. I am certainly glad that my macbook air doesn't have a removable battery, as I am quite happy with its form factor, and a removable battery would likely interfere with that. Removable battery is really not a priority for quite a few people out there, many of who are quite tech savvy. You guys are far too blinded by Apple hate to see this objectively though.
Score
-8
December 3, 2011 4:14:53 PM

I highly Doubt your Android phone has the same battery life as your Wifes Iphone. I have yet to see any phone come close to an Iphone on battery life. If you and your wife both charge your phones once a week that doesn't mean you have the same battery life. If she is makeing 6 times more calls and three times more texts than you, than your Android fell alittle short Bud. But hey, Dreams are free.......
Score
-9
December 3, 2011 4:24:43 PM

"If we believe the vision for Apple expressed by Steve Jobs, it's all about technology leading to the experience. "

And here I thought the vision for Apple was "win with marketing and lawsuits, not better products".
Score
8
December 3, 2011 5:02:22 PM

Any one buy the HP touch pad. The battery was not meant to be replaced by the user. I don't see anyone complaining about that. I have a Motorola Atrix 4g. Biggest complaints I see about it on all the forums, battery life!!! If you don't like Apple products quit trolling and read about something else. I admit I don't own any Apple products, I don't need to own any; There is plenty to complain about with the Android devices. Oh but I can root it and install a better "Rom". True, but I shouldn't have to do that, that means the manufacturer made a lousy product and you have to go out of your way to improve it yourself. Most of the Apple products will get the new software/firmware updates put out. I will bet Motorola doesn't update my Atrix to "Ice cream sandwich". If I won't an upgrade I will have to buy another phone. Apple is no better and no worse than all the others.
Score
-4
December 3, 2011 5:30:00 PM

Quote:
The Reason Why Apple Uses Integrated Battery Designs


Is simple. It is a easy way to steal from dumb fanboys who don't even ask about the serviceability of what they purchase.

Score
8
December 3, 2011 5:50:28 PM

SirGCalThey're trying to patent that horrible idea?

Get back when they manage to ban someone in banana courts like that of Dusseldorf, Germany, with so called judges like Johanna Brueckner-Hofmann.
Score
1
December 3, 2011 5:54:10 PM

I have never needed to replace a battery in ANY of my cell phones. Most people don't even keep them long enough to the point where they require a fresh battery.
Score
-4
Anonymous
December 3, 2011 6:05:23 PM

didn't read the article, as i don't care... but i'll believe you all the same. however, "The Reason Apple Uses Integrated Battery Designs" both sounds and is, grammatically speaking, better... be well.
Score
-1
December 3, 2011 6:58:27 PM

They patented the concept of an internal battery...?
US really needs to fund the USPTO so that they can pay for some real examiners...
Score
7
December 3, 2011 7:20:01 PM

ben850I have never needed to replace a battery in ANY of my cell phones. Most people don't even keep them long enough to the point where they require a fresh battery.

Ever used laptops or cellphones for more than six months?

Ever used them frequently without it being plugged?

You'll quickly realized how fast the batteries wear down. I got a laptop next to me that's no longer truly portable because of how deteriorated the battery is. I also have a six years old cellphone that has at most 40 minutes of call time before the battery runs down, used to be around 3 hours.


I buy a product and I expect it to be maintainable by the user. If I'm locked out of maintaining my own stuff, then it's a no-purchase for me.
Score
6
Anonymous
December 3, 2011 7:27:12 PM

I don't know about the iPhones, but the guts of the unibody MBPs are actually easier to access than the old models with removable batteries. Unscrew the phillips-head screws along the underside edge, remove the bottom plate, and you have easy access to the battery, optical drive, memory and hard drive. I can vouch for their batteries' durability, too. After two years and 92 cycles, my MBP still lasts for 6+ hours on a charge. My last laptop, a 2007-era Toshiba Satellite, barely lasted an hour when it was brand new.
Score
0
December 3, 2011 7:30:00 PM

@A Bad Day - In my case, since my laptop is my secondary computer that I don't use daily and when I do use it I usually have it connected to AC, and the machine is 6 months old, I have about 8% wear. Kinda surprising since it's run off the battery maybe once a week or so, maybe a bit more often at times since I've taken it on a few trips where I wasn't using ac power as much. At that rate, in 3 years, I'll have 48% wear. Ouch. That explains how, if you use the machine a lot, it's even worse and will get ridiculous after a few years. btw this is a Lenovo Thinkpad x120e.
Score
1
December 3, 2011 7:46:42 PM

samsung should patent changeable batery design so apple couldnt use it!
Score
3
Anonymous
December 3, 2011 8:10:38 PM

@A Bad Day - Wife's iphone is 3yrs old and still lasts longer than my 1yr old Samsung Galaxy S, she can use her phone all day, while I'm afraid to txt and drain the battery.

Our Macbook Pro is used everyday for the last year, and we don't use it plugged into the wall, charge it and go for 5hrs+ of surfing the web. If anyone has it right, that would be Apple. Even tho the batteries aren't servicable, they sure as hell last a long time.
Score
0
December 3, 2011 8:19:02 PM

phexacI've had numerous i-devices over the years and never needed to replace the battery. I am certainly glad that my macbook air doesn't have a removable battery, as I am quite happy with its form factor, and a removable battery would likely interfere with that. Removable battery is really not a priority for quite a few people out there, many of who are quite tech savvy. You guys are far too blinded by Apple hate to see this objectively though.


And you my man should ask your boss for a raise in that marketing firm your working for. Seriously, no one in their right mind would want their product to be hard repairable for no reason other than profit for the company that built them...
Score
2
December 3, 2011 8:20:59 PM

what if car maker sealed (simply seal in the case and talk like the so called "integrated") the battery in the car ? so u have to send back the car to replace a simple battery with unreasonable price or u just go get a new car ......
Score
1
December 3, 2011 8:40:39 PM

Marketing BS.

Those who say that they don't need to replace the batteries after a year or two isn't using the device "intensively". The duration of usage doesn't matter since most of the time the device is turned on and "light" usage doesn't drain the battery much... meaning the device's capabilities are (most of the time) not utilized.
Score
3
December 3, 2011 8:41:18 PM

non-user-replaceable batteries can make sense from an engineering standpoint, but why the fuck would this be patentable?
Score
4
December 3, 2011 9:14:58 PM

SirGCalThey're trying to patent that horrible idea? Good, maybe then no one else will be so stupid as to try it... That was initially my biggest complaint about the iStuff... Consumers NEED the ability to replace the battery or you are greedily forcing them to spend big $ on maintenance and/or replacement. That, IMHO, is akin to gouging with our dependency on electronics today. While I'm not an Apple fan myself, this one one of the enormous "avoid at all cost" items that they continued to do which just made NO sense to me.


The patent Apple clearly states they were making a complex trade-off. That is an admission they are removing a desired feature to improve another. What you don't realize is they took YOU into consideration, when they made this trade-off. They knew full well there would be a subset of shoppers that would not buy the product without a removable battery. But the subset of shoppers they gained from improving thinness, weight, and reliability was much larger.


Score
0
December 3, 2011 9:30:28 PM

"a plurality of battery cells, wherein each battery cell is directly attached to a housing for enclosing operational components of the portable computing device, […] wherein the protective structure is configured to protect the battery cell from a compressive force applied to the housing of the portable computing device, the protective structure being attached to or integral with the housing and having a height greater than that of each of the battery cells."

So a number of battery cells in series in an enclosure (the device itself). Numerous products have that...
Seems Apple is just trying to make it look more complicated than what it really is in an attempt to get it patented...
Score
1
December 3, 2011 9:40:52 PM

I use my MBA every day at school, running it without charge most of the time. One charge easily last me the whole day. My wife has 2.5-year-old MBA that she uses for work, which still gets very close to its original battery life (which to be fair, was much lower than my current gen MBA to begin with). I could not care less about Apple's profits, but their laptops have good build quality, which is something I appreciate. I would be pretty hard to make MBA with its form factor and reliable battery life. Since form factor, size, weight, and build quality were important issues to me, I am fine with foregoing replaceable battery. One thing I do know for sure is that my classmates with Lenovo's and other Windows-based laptops needs to start charing their machines when my MBA is only down to about 2/3 charge. Apple detractors here can write it off to blind loyalty all you want, but to me the way Apple designed the laptops I used has very concrete and tangible benefits.
Score
-1
December 4, 2011 12:48:30 AM

sonofliberty08what if car maker sealed (simply seal in the case and talk like the so called "integrated") the battery in the car ? so u have to send back the car to replace a simple battery with unreasonable price or u just go get a new car ......


What if that car was a Prius? (the big battery i mean)
If the big battery in a Prius was easily removable, think of the rest of the car and it's design.
Score
0
December 4, 2011 12:59:29 AM

I "cite" Winston Churchill:

Lies, dam lies, and patents.
Score
1
December 4, 2011 1:11:34 AM

They do it because changing a battery is brain surgery for a tard like me ;) 
Score
1
December 4, 2011 2:11:27 AM

I do believe batteries have many grades, My previous BB battery outlasted it's multi year contract, I expect my new iPhone 4s battery to last serveral years too.
Score
0
December 4, 2011 2:17:52 AM

I remember when the first iPod came out. Apple wanted $100 to replace the battery. Someone online figured out how to replace the battery and posted instructions on the 'net. Shortly after, Apple reduced the price to $80. When asked about the timing, Apple said it was a coincidence.
Score
1
December 4, 2011 3:11:26 AM

another jedi mindtrick from crapple, tell BS reason why using unremovable batt :D 
Score
1
December 4, 2011 4:12:18 AM

ZannyIts fine to have custom batteries. That lets you squeeze them in awkward nooks in a device. The problem with every iDevice is that they vacuum seal everything shut so you can never alter it.It isn't a bad vision - abstract away the hardware and ignore it. But that is also ignorant to how hardware, even Apples stuff, will fail, and doing something like what Apple does in such a circumstance is just a money grab to force you to send it back.It's one of the reasons I don't buy apple stuff. I understand the people that do and the market is fine - people who want an experience without having to worry about the device itself get their best shot at never worrying about hardware with Apple stuff. It is just when something goes wrong, they pay out their bum to fix it.



Go to ifixit.com. It shows you how to fix your own device and they sell parts and tools. I've fixed iphones and macbooks using that site.
Score
1
December 4, 2011 4:13:35 AM

On another note...

I HATE THE PATENT SYSTEM! Nothing slows progression like restricting others from producing anything that resembles a good product.
Score
2
Anonymous
December 4, 2011 4:54:32 AM

Obviously most of the posters here aren't (good) engineers. What's the most common thing to happen when someone drops their cell phone or calculator -- the battery pops out. By not having that removable battery cover, Apple has created a more durable product. Furthermore, several 3rd party vendors sell portable chargers and extended battery life cases for the iPhone. So the lack of a removable battery is really a non-issue for those of us with a strong technical background who appreciate excellent engineering.
Score
-2
December 4, 2011 5:19:22 AM

I think it has to do more with control and lower cost. Simple because if user want to replace battery try will have to do it at Apple Store and pay for expensive battery replacement and I believe integrated battery haven't been patented by anyone else other than Apple and is fairly inexpensive.
Score
0
!