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April 28, 2012 9:40:45 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16730494



We voted last week, and now, we are waiting for debates between Nicolas Sarkozy and François Hollande.
Bad surprise: the nationalist party (Front National) won 17,8% of the vote...

Who would you choose if you had to vote?



One interesting thing about Hollande's plan
http://www.economist.com/blogs/elysee/2012/04/fran%C3%A...
April 28, 2012 12:07:27 PM

Francois Bayrou looks good from my perspective but I like Sarkozy too.

:) 
April 28, 2012 2:05:25 PM

From the little I really get to read about on the French leaders.. Sarkozy doesn't seem bad. It appears to say what he means, even against popular opinion. Raising the retirement age from 60 to 62 was a necessary move given the longer life of people these days..

I give credit to the French these days.. they do what they want for their country, F'all everyone else. Wish some other countries would start doing that again.
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April 28, 2012 4:17:31 PM

I honestly don't know enough about the candidates to have an opinion.

I will say the speech Sarkozy gave to the US Congress in 2009(?) was great. He clearly likes and admires the United States and appreciates our relationship/friendship. It was almost Reagan-est.
April 29, 2012 1:16:02 PM

I think the problem is that French politics is so complicated that nobody understands it well.

Gropouce I am going to sticky this for you and we will all try to learn a bit about French politics while you calmly explain.

As a French Moderator for Toms Guide and our official Ambassador your duty bound to educate us.

Get Yama and Xiime to pop in here and help !!

:) 
April 29, 2012 1:25:40 PM

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April 29, 2012 1:25:59 PM

I'd vote for whichever party decided to make LibreOffice the standard for schools in Paris.

Reynod said:


As a French Moderator for Toms Guide and our official Ambassador your duty bound to educate us.


Confused :/ 
April 29, 2012 1:27:04 PM

If you wear that funny hat you should fit in.

April 29, 2012 1:43:04 PM

Wow.
Sarkozy has managed at least one thing during his five-years, obviously... getting the sympathy of anglophones people.
Or maybe it's just thanks to Carla.

I think it comes from unfamiliarity with the French political field, which is normal.

@oldman:
The French generally appreciate the relationship with the united states, even if we do not always agree.
But admire the American ostentatiously is not a good thing for whoever wants to become (or remain) president in France.

@Reynod:
i don't think french politics is that complicated. i rather think that nobody cares ! :D 
April 29, 2012 2:00:36 PM

gropouce said:
Wow.
Sarkozy has managed at least one thing during his five-years, obviously... getting the sympathy of anglophones people.
Or maybe it's just thanks to Carla.

I think it comes from unfamiliarity with the French political field, which is normal.

@oldman:
The French generally appreciate the relationship with the united states, even if we do not always agree.
But admire the American ostentatiously is not a good thing for whoever wants to become (or remain) president in France.

@Reynod:
i don't think french politics is that complicated. i rather think that nobody cares ! :D 



Ahh, I see. All I can say is Sarkozy gave a speech that I wish my own President would have given. just sayin'.
April 29, 2012 2:02:55 PM

Its definately Carla.

:) 
May 3, 2012 2:12:18 PM

gropouce said:
The French generally appreciate the relationship with the united states, even if we do not always agree.

Historically, from the time we were British colonies, we have been in conflict with France more often than not.

Notice that I said "in conflict with", not at war with". There is a difference.
May 5, 2012 11:21:07 AM

jsc said:
Historically, from the time we were British colonies, we have been in conflict with France more often than not.

Notice that I said "in conflict with", not at war with". There is a difference.



I partly disagree there... for what is important, USA and France has always been on the same wave length : liberty, democracy, cuba affair (1st support to USA came from De Gaulle !!! in a time where France was trying to win her independance in the western camp), Afghanistan, 9/11 (Chirac was the 1st foreigner to support and come to NYC)...

Allied doesn't mean "vassal" or "at orders". A true Friend can answer you "NO" when a follower will always say "AYE AYE SIR".

May 6, 2012 3:39:15 AM

Is Germania crumbling? say it isnt so!
May 7, 2012 2:59:57 AM

gropouce said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16730494



We voted last week, and now, we are waiting for debates between Nicolas Sarkozy and François Hollande.
Bad surprise: the nationalist party (Front National) won 17,8% of the vote...

Who would you choose if you had to vote?



One interesting thing about Hollande's plan
http://www.economist.com/blogs/elysee/2012/04/fran%C3%A...
Sarkozy lost now and perhaps France with their new leader will begin to climb out of their bad economy they are in now.Only time will tell.
May 7, 2012 1:06:00 PM

musical marv said:
Sarkozy lost now and perhaps France with their new leader will begin to climb out of their bad economy they are in now.Only time will tell.


They elected a socialist. He is going to reverse austerity measures. How do you think that is going to end?
May 7, 2012 4:02:16 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
They elected a socialist. He is going to reverse austerity measures. How do you think that is going to end?


We are about to find out.
May 7, 2012 4:35:08 PM

France is going big socialist and Greece is going neo-nazi. What a world we live in.
May 7, 2012 7:47:02 PM

jsc said:
Historically, from the time we were British colonies, we have been in conflict with France more often than not.

Notice that I said "in conflict with", not at war with". There is a difference.


and we are still friends...

Oldmangamer_73 said:
France is going big socialist and Greece is going neo-nazi. What a world we live in.


all because of the financial crisis of American companies ...
It's as if I was organizing a genocide in africa and I said "my God, so many dead ..."


Hollande is the new president, and my point of view is it's a good thing.
He is not my first choice, but i gave him my vote because he was the one who could beat Sarko.
Hope we will have 5 good years.
May 7, 2012 11:25:24 PM

gropouce keep us posted on his first few days and how things are going.

I guess you won't hae unicersity students rioting with a socialist at the helm.

He seems good with the financials ... and seems quite calm.
May 8, 2012 3:24:52 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
They elected a socialist. He is going to reverse austerity measures. How do you think that is going to end?
Give the man a chance.
May 8, 2012 3:36:14 AM

musical marv said:
Give the man a chance.



A chance to continue an unsustainable system? Ok. I think we all know how this will end.
May 8, 2012 8:40:58 AM

Reynod said:
gropouce keep us posted on his first few days and how things are going.

I guess you won't have university students rioting with a socialist at the helm.

He seems good with the financials ... and seems quite calm.


His inauguration took place on May 15
We will then know the name of his Prime Minister and the team with which he will work.
Two people are approached to be Prime Minister.
Martine Aubry, mayor of Lille and previous minister of labor under President Mitterrand, then minister of employment and solidarity under President Chirac (nominated by Lionel Jospin)
Jean-Marc Ayrault, Mayor of Nantes and President of the Socialist Group in the National Assembly.


May 8, 2012 11:16:51 AM

gropouce is there a lively debate over at PresencePC on this topic?

Summon Yama and Xiiime and ask them to pop in here for a visit!!

I wish we would ditch the British here in Australia and have a real president of our own instead of a caretaker (Prime Minister).

We have an unmarried barren Welsh woman as our current PM ... frankly a bit of a dissappointment for me as a labour man.

I had high hopes Kevin Rudd would be back as our PM but that didn't happen.

Our opposition (Liberal party) is polling very well and likely to win the next election ... pity really as the current leader of the opposition is a mad ex-monk who can't engage his brain prior to speaking ... and has a very limited mind.

The deputy Joe Hockey is a credible leader though.

Politically our labour party is in a bit of a shambles due to two present members ... think Kahn.

:) 
May 15, 2012 12:49:53 PM

musical marv said:
Give the man a chance.


Hi, I'm heavily in debt. Instead of cutting back on spending and paying off my credit cards, I'm going to go out and spend more on the my credit cards.

It doesn't work on a personal level, it will not work at a government level.

I'll give him a chance though.. because I'm honestly glad it'll fail miserably in France before it takes a stronger foothold in the US.
May 15, 2012 10:58:19 PM

riser said:
Hi, I'm heavily in debt. Instead of cutting back on spending and paying off my credit cards, I'm going to go out and spend more on the my credit cards.


In Europe, we don't use as many credit cards as in US.
So no need to speculate on the intentions of a president whose you don't know the policies program.
Thank you.
May 16, 2012 12:15:43 AM

@gropouce

Do you know what his "plan" is or at least what direction your President is heading in? Will he continue austerity measures or is he going to increase taxes and return spending to previous levels?

I think it is interesting to note this is the first French presidential election where the Muslim community came out in much larger than normal numbers to vote for Hollande.
May 17, 2012 9:39:47 AM

Was the comment about Muslims really warranted?
May 17, 2012 10:13:11 AM

You believe that there are only two possibilities, oldman? No alternative?
The stimulus investment is certainly a bad solution to this economic crisis. Austerity is inefficient and Greece is one example.
Why not try a more Keynesian approach?
The showdown with Germany to change the EU treaty will begin. Merkel seems to be in trouble after the electoral debacle of her political party. This is a significant element.

As for the Muslim vote, it does not interest anyone in France, except perhaps those who voted for Le Pen, but it's no surprise.
It is as interesting as the evangelical vote for Romney.
Note that Francois Hollande is a great defender of secularism, and this is also why I voted for him. Religion in politics is that the knife is to puree.
May 17, 2012 12:42:17 PM

Just questions gropouce, i'm not saying there is no alternative. Was just wondering what Hollande has been saying in interviews and such.

Evangelicals here are not really that happy with Romney to be honest. They see him as too moderate in some things. I agree religion and politics is boring at best.

Islam is not only a religion but also a governing ideology. I just find it interesting they would come out in droves to vote for the Socialist party, thats all.
May 17, 2012 3:17:04 PM

gropouce said:
In Europe, we don't use as many credit cards as in US.
So no need to speculate on the intentions of a president whose you don't know the policies program.
Thank you.


I was just paraphrasing what he said...
June 23, 2012 4:19:52 PM

Hello all, :hello: 

Reynod said:
Summon Yama and Xiiime and ask them to pop in here for a visit!!


Gropouce is mean. He never told me that you ask for me and Xiiiime.

About the election, I think that François Hollande won it because many people didn't like Nicolas Sarkozy.
Even if he has an annoying personality,I think he did good things for french people (even against their will).

Many of my friends and family' members voted for Hollande just because they didn't want to vote for Sarkozy (against the man, not his ideas).

gropouce said:
@Reynod:
i don't think french politics is that complicated. i rather think that nobody cares ! :D 


I think it's not very complicated either, but nobody cares because all politicians are liars. They all use wooden language so now, nobody takes them seriously.

When I look/listen at a political interview, I think that they say what people wants to hear.
June 24, 2012 4:44:24 AM

Hey Yama good to hear from you.

How are things going over at PresencePC?

Is the debate still lively?

I like your comment about "wooden language" ... it seems to elicite just the right meaning when applied to politicians too.

June 24, 2012 5:52:12 PM

Reynod said:
Hey Yama good to hear from you.

How are things going over at PresencePC?

Is the debate still lively?

I like your comment about "wooden language" ... it seems to elicite just the right meaning when applied to politicians too.


Hi Reynod,

How are you?

PresencePC and Infos-du-net have a lot of issue (for the moderation and to participate..). So things are not going very well.

About the debate, it's still lively. In fact, for the next 5 years, it will be. Each time a politician does or says something "bad", the other side will say that it's the president fault...

If you don't have a strong idea about politic, it's a little bit annoying.



PS: I have to come here often. :p 
June 25, 2012 5:40:31 PM

:) 
June 25, 2012 9:19:01 PM

Yama310 said:
Hello all, :hello: 



Gropouce is mean. He never told me that you ask for me and Xiiiime.



Bah ouais.
Tu postes encore moins que moi sur idn et Xiiime n'est même pas français. o:
Connard d'admin (réglage de compte inside.. m'en fous t'as aucun pouvoir ici)

(ps: je t'ai déjà dis que j'ai prévu deux tubes de vaseline pour notre première IRL ?)
June 25, 2012 9:32:44 PM

gropouce said:
m'en fous t'as aucun pouvoir ici

T'es sûr de ça ? :whistle: 

Bon, c'est vrai que je poste pas, mais t'as vu la tronche du forum aussi. Je ne poste que quand ça marche!


PS: on se la fait quand cette IRL ?
June 25, 2012 9:43:27 PM

ouais quasi sûr... (sans parier une chaussette là-dessus)

Tu comprends pourquoi je poste plus souvent ici que sur un fofo moisi où n'importe qui peut poster sur un topic fermé... je ne fous même plus les pieds en interne)

Quand tu veux pour l'IRL, mon bon, mon doux, mon innocent. Tu sais que c'est en partie du fait de ta présence que j'ai accepté ce rôle de modo?
June 26, 2012 12:36:52 AM

Yama vous devez traiter notre ambassadeur français avec un peu de respect.

La gelée KY est un produit beaucoup mieux pour l'échange de fluides corporels.
July 13, 2012 9:19:18 AM

@Gropouce: I understand why you don't use your moderator powers on our site.... I don't use them neither...

@Reynod: I didn't know this "Gel KY". With Gropouce, we only use Vaseline. I love that too much.
July 26, 2012 3:52:57 PM

And on that slippery note I bid the sticky on the French Presidential elections goodbye ..

:) 
July 26, 2012 3:54:09 PM

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