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August 23, 2005 2:46:06 AM

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I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
the card to start its BIOS config menus.

I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
flash.

Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.

I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.

I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
up fine.

When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts
perfectly

Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
lower right corner of the card.

What to do?

Thanks.

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Anonymous
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August 23, 2005 4:21:32 PM

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lady Margaret Thatcher <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_uk.org> wrote:
> I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
> wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
> banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
> the card to start its BIOS config menus.

> I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
> card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
> flash.

> Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
> dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
> including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
> recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.

> I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
> there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.

> I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
> card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
> processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
> up fine.

> When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
> were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
> purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts
> perfectly

> Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
> and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
> lower right corner of the card.

> What to do?

Might indeed be a broken flash memory.

If the BIOS chip is removable, have it re-flashed or have
a new one flashed at one of the outfits offering this service.
Not expensive usually so it is worth a try.

Arno
Anonymous
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August 23, 2005 5:53:12 PM

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In article <blalg1hr16fminv03ofna3ehb15k248ok8@4ax.com>, Was_at_10
_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org says...
>
> What to do?
>
> Thanks.
>

if you waited ~5 minutes and the ha doesn't react , you can flash its
bios . if it doesn't allow this it is dead . nothing to help .

--
gruss , wolfgang
--<-@
gravity is still alive
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Anonymous
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August 23, 2005 7:22:20 PM

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:46:06 UTC in comp.periphs.scsi, Lady Margaret Thatcher
<Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote:

> I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
> wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
> banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
> the card to start its BIOS config menus.

Have you tried it in a different PCI slot? Or a different motherboard? With only
one CPU installed?

--
Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK.
Trevor-Hemsley at dsl dot pipex dot com
Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 5:17:24 AM

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"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote in message
news:blalg1hr16fminv03ofna3ehb15k248ok8@4ax.com...
> I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
> wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
> banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
> the card to start its BIOS config menus.
>
> I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
> card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
> flash.
>
> Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
> dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
> including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
> recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.
>
> I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
> there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.
>
> I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
> card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
> processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
> up fine.
>
> When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
> were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
> purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts perfectly.
>
> Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
> and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
> lower right corner of the card.
>

> What to do?

So you have 2 identical cards and 2 identical systems and you don't know
what to do.

Gee.

What a dilemma.

>
> Thanks.
Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 2:00:03 PM

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:53:12 +0200, wolfgang schneider
<schnusi@gmx.net> wrote:

>In article <blalg1hr16fminv03ofna3ehb15k248ok8@4ax.com>, Was_at_10
>_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org says...
>>
>> What to do?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>if you waited ~5 minutes and the ha doesn't react , you can flash its
>bios . if it doesn't allow this it is dead . nothing to help .

Wolfgang,

Thanks. I have waited five minutes, but the card never finishes its
POST, so the system overall doesn't POST. So I can't boot up from a
floppy and re-flash the BIOS.

Kind of a Catch-22 situation.

--thatcher--
Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 2:02:30 PM

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On 23 Aug 2005 12:21:32 GMT, Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lady Margaret Thatcher <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_uk.org> wrote:
>> I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
>> wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
>> banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
>> the card to start its BIOS config menus.
>
>> I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
>> card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
>> flash.
>
>> Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
>> dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
>> including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
>> recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.
>
>> I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
>> there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.
>
>> I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
>> card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
>> processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
>> up fine.
>
>> When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
>> were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
>> purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts
>> perfectly
>
>> Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
>> and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
>> lower right corner of the card.
>
>> What to do?
>
>Might indeed be a broken flash memory.
>
>If the BIOS chip is removable, have it re-flashed or have
>a new one flashed at one of the outfits offering this service.
>Not expensive usually so it is worth a try.
>
>Arno

Arno,

thanks. The chip that appears to be the flash memory (which has the
BIOS rev number printed on a stick-on label) is soldered in to the
board. Considering that I would have to pay to have the chip
unsoldered, flashed, and then resoldered, it's probably better to toss
the card and buy something else.



--thatcher--
Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 2:04:25 PM

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On 23 Aug 2005 15:22:20 GMT, "Trevor Hemsley"
<Trevor-Hemsley@mytrousers.dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:46:06 UTC in comp.periphs.scsi, Lady Margaret Thatcher
><Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote:
>
>> I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
>> wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
>> banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
>> the card to start its BIOS config menus.
>
>Have you tried it in a different PCI slot? Or a different motherboard? With only
>one CPU installed?

No, I haven't tried any of those options. But I certainly will. It's
a bit of a pain inserting the heatsink/fan for the CPUs because of the
spring-load holddown design, but that's a minor detail.
Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 2:09:49 PM

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:17:24 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
<see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:

>"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote in message
>news:blalg1hr16fminv03ofna3ehb15k248ok8@4ax.com...
>> I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
>> wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
>> banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
>> the card to start its BIOS config menus.
>>
>> I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
>> card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
>> flash.
>>
>> Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
>> dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
>> including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
>> recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.
>>
>> I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
>> there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.
>>
>> I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
>> card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
>> processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
>> up fine.
>>
>> When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
>> were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
>> purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts perfectly.
>>
>> Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
>> and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
>> lower right corner of the card.
>>
>
>> What to do?
>
>So you have 2 identical cards and 2 identical systems and you don't know
>what to do.
>
>Gee.
>
>What a dilemma.

Gee, what a yob you are. Out of four responses, yours was the only
one that wasn't constructive.

Yes, the bad LSI card doesn't POST in either system. See my other
responses, and then try to think of something else I could do.

You're obviously very smart in this area, but what is your problem?
Are you incapable of actually helping out here?

Prove me wrong. I challenge you.

--thatcher--
August 24, 2005 9:09:06 PM

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Lady Margaret Thatcher wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:53:12 +0200, wolfgang schneider
> <schnusi@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <blalg1hr16fminv03ofna3ehb15k248ok8@4ax.com>, Was_at_10
>>_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org says...
>>
>>>What to do?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>
>>if you waited ~5 minutes and the ha doesn't react , you can flash its
>>bios . if it doesn't allow this it is dead . nothing to help .
>
>
> Wolfgang,
>
> Thanks. I have waited five minutes, but the card never finishes its
> POST, so the system overall doesn't POST. So I can't boot up from a
> floppy and re-flash the BIOS.
>
> Kind of a Catch-22 situation.
>
> --thatcher--

Can I assume you've tried a couple of different PCI slots already?

--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.
Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 9:09:07 PM

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:09:06 GMT, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Lady Margaret Thatcher wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:53:12 +0200, wolfgang schneider
>> <schnusi@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <blalg1hr16fminv03ofna3ehb15k248ok8@4ax.com>, Was_at_10
>>>_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org says...
>>>
>>>>What to do?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>if you waited ~5 minutes and the ha doesn't react , you can flash its
>>>bios . if it doesn't allow this it is dead . nothing to help .
>>
>>
>> Wolfgang,
>>
>> Thanks. I have waited five minutes, but the card never finishes its
>> POST, so the system overall doesn't POST. So I can't boot up from a
>> floppy and re-flash the BIOS.
>>
>> Kind of a Catch-22 situation.
>>
>> --thatcher--
>
>Can I assume you've tried a couple of different PCI slots already?

No. This motherboard has 2 64-wide PCI slots.
Anonymous
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August 25, 2005 2:19:48 AM

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In article <8q9pg1dhq831cgf86oajj9kso4p9l5dj1c@4ax.com>, Was_at_10
_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org says...
> >if you waited ~5 minutes and the ha doesn't react , you can flash its
> >bios . if it doesn't allow this it is dead . nothing to help .
>
> Wolfgang,
>
> Thanks. I have waited five minutes, but the card never finishes its
> POST, so the system overall doesn't POST. So I can't boot up from a
> floppy and re-flash the BIOS.
>
> Kind of a Catch-22 situation.
>
> --thatcher--
>

catch-22 is unknown to me ( up to my poor english i guess ) . but with
some tricks it should be possible to work around the hung-system-state
and flash it , when plugged in . if it's not worth - yes , throw it away
.. good luck !

--
gruss , wolfgang
--<-@
gravity is still alive
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 25, 2005 2:19:49 AM

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:19:48 +0200, wolfgang schneider
<schnusi@gmx.net> wrote:

>In article <8q9pg1dhq831cgf86oajj9kso4p9l5dj1c@4ax.com>, Was_at_10
>_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org says...
>> >if you waited ~5 minutes and the ha doesn't react , you can flash its
>> >bios . if it doesn't allow this it is dead . nothing to help .
>>
>> Wolfgang,
>>
>> Thanks. I have waited five minutes, but the card never finishes its
>> POST, so the system overall doesn't POST. So I can't boot up from a
>> floppy and re-flash the BIOS.
>>
>> Kind of a Catch-22 situation.

Wolfgang,

Catch-22 was the title of a book written about 1960 by Joseph Heller
about a group of US Army Air Force flyers in World War II, about the
absurdities of the war and bureaucracy in general. I'm going to
guess that a German translation is/was available.

The hero (or anti-hero) of the book is one Yossarian, and if I
remember correctly, the book is a series of episodes involving
Yossarian. Catch-22 was the name given to a situation in which there
is no way out, no way to solve the problem. So in the English
language, a Catch-22 is an unsolvable problem, but really a small one
and kind of absurd in a way,

Gruss,

--thatcher--
>>
>> --thatcher--
>>
>
>catch-22 is unknown to me ( up to my poor english i guess ) . but with
>some tricks it should be possible to work around the hung-system-state
>and flash it , when plugged in . if it's not worth - yes , throw it away
>. good luck !
Anonymous
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August 25, 2005 2:24:40 AM

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"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote
in message news:8q9pg1dhq831cgf86oajj9kso4p9l5dj1c@4ax.com...
>
> Thanks. I have waited five minutes, but the card never finishes its
> POST, so the system overall doesn't POST. So I can't boot up from a
> floppy and re-flash the BIOS.
>
> Kind of a Catch-22 situation.
>

Try to find a computer that's from the Pentium-1 era, as simple as possible.
Install only a VGA card and the LSI Logic card. . Chances are that it will
skip the LSI BIOS if the BIOS is really corrupt, and allow you to reflash.
If you're lucky you only need a bootable DOS floppy

Rob
Anonymous
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August 25, 2005 2:24:41 AM

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:24:40 +0200, "Rob Turk"
<_wipe_me_r.turk@chello.nl> wrote:

>"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote
>in message news:8q9pg1dhq831cgf86oajj9kso4p9l5dj1c@4ax.com...
>>
>> Thanks. I have waited five minutes, but the card never finishes its
>> POST, so the system overall doesn't POST. So I can't boot up from a
>> floppy and re-flash the BIOS.
>>
>> Kind of a Catch-22 situation.
>>
>
>Try to find a computer that's from the Pentium-1 era, as simple as possible.
>Install only a VGA card and the LSI Logic card. . Chances are that it will
>skip the LSI BIOS if the BIOS is really corrupt, and allow you to reflash.
>If you're lucky you only need a bootable DOS floppy

Now that is a great idea. I even have one of those systems around.
It's built around an old ASUS P55 board. Incredibly rock-solid, never
had the heart to get rid of it when I upgraded my wife's system. Now
I understand why my instinct was right.

Thanks a bunch.

I'm still waiting for Folkert to offer a useful suggestion.

.... waiting ... waiting ... waiting ...

--thatcher--
>
>Rob
>
Anonymous
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August 25, 2005 4:18:35 AM

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"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote in message
news:05apg19e0ehnhja5m2jtglm5n8l0oane86@4ax.com
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:17:24 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > "Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote in message
news:blalg1hr16fminv03ofna3ehb15k248ok8@4ax.com...
> > > I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
> > > wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
> > > banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
> > > the card to start its BIOS config menus.
> > >
> > > I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
> > > card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
> > > flash.
> > >
> > > Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
> > > dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
> > > including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
> > > recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.
> > >
> > > I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
> > > there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.
> > >
> > > I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
> > > card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
> > > processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
> > > up fine.
> > >
> > > When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
> > > were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
> > > purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts perfectly.
> > >
> > > Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
> > > and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
> > > lower right corner of the card.
> > >
> >
> > > What to do?
> >
> > So you have 2 identical cards and 2 identical systems and you don't know
> > what to do.
> >
> > Gee.
> >
> > What a dilemma.
>
> Gee, what a yob you are. Out of four responses, yours was the only
> one that wasn't constructive.
>
> Yes, the bad LSI card doesn't POST in either system. See my other
> responses, and then try to think of something else I could do.
>

> You're obviously very smart in this area,

Right, which obviously suggests that you already know what to do but
want it personally rehashed for you.

> but what is your problem?

I have no problem. You are having one.

> Are you incapable of actually helping out here?

Nope, not really.

>
> Prove me wrong. I challenge you.

Too late. I smelled a troll which you now just confirmed.
I had a response ready to Rob's answer but I have now deleted it.

>
> --thatcher--
Anonymous
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August 26, 2005 2:24:50 AM

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:18:35 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
<see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:


>
>> You're obviously very smart in this area,
>
>Right, which obviously suggests that you already know what to do but
>want it personally rehashed for you.

No, I'm not that knowledgeable. I'm just good at recognizing when
other people have significant knowledge.

>
>> but what is your problem?
>
>I have no problem. You are having one.

See below.
>
>> Are you incapable of actually helping out here?
>
>Nope, not really.
>
>>
>> Prove me wrong. I challenge you.
>
>Too late. I smelled a troll which you now just confirmed.
>I had a response ready to Rob's answer but I have now deleted it.

No troll, Heer R (or Herr R). If "I" have a problem, it is with your
supercilious, arrogant attitude. Honestly, I think you were bs'ing
here. You don't have any more suggestions.

Go ahead. Prove me wrong. If you don't have any new suggestions,
that is prima facie evidence that it is YOU who are the Troller of all
Trolls. The überTroller.

-thatcher--
>
>>
>> --thatcher--
Anonymous
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August 27, 2005 6:15:33 AM

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If the motherboard manufacturer has a later BIOS. I would remove the card
and upgrade the system BIOS to see if you get lucky. If you still can't
POST, try breaking into the system BIOS menu and assigning a different IRQ
to this card. It's a hack but worth a try.

The Moojit


"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote
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> I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
> wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
> banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
> the card to start its BIOS config menus.
>
> I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
> card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
> flash.
>
> Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
> dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
> including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
> recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.
>
> I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
> there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.
>
> I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
> card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
> processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
> up fine.
>
> When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
> were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
> purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts
> perfectly
>
> Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
> and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
> lower right corner of the card.
>
> What to do?
>
> Thanks.
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 28, 2005 8:10:01 PM

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:46:06 -0700, Lady Margaret Thatcher
<Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote:


OK, so shoot me for top-posting. Here is a status report.

The only way I could get the "bad" board to get through a post was to
put it into the same system as the "good" board. When I first plugged
the good board into my system--in-progress, it too reported invalid
configuration. But it was no problem to enter the setup menu and
reset parameters.

With both boards in the same system, I could start up the
configuration menu from the good board, and that menu would also try
to configure the bad board. When I selected one of the two channels
(these are dual-channel boards) in the bad board, the system hung,
just as it hung because the bad board wouldn't POST.

When I restarted my system, both boards went through POST and board
boards searched for SCSI devices. Since the new system is still being
built up, there were no SCSI devices present. What is interesting,
though, is that the good board would scan SCSI IDs at about 1 per
second, but the bad board took about 30 seconds per ID. And at 15 x 2
IDs (dual channel boards, remember), that's a long time.

When I pulled the good board out of the system, the bad board refused
to POST, just as before.

I should also mention that once I got the system to post with both
boards, the first thing I did was back up the BIOS from the good
board, at rev 4.16 and use that BIOS to flash the bad board, which was
at 4.19. All the above behavior about configuration and SCSI ID
scanning, was with the bad board already at 4.16.

So in the end, I have a board that may be useful as a host adapter,
but can't be configured. So, it goes into my "dud parts" pile.

In the meantime, I just checked out eBay, and for about the same
$80-$100 I paid for this board 2 or 2 1/2 years ago, I can now get an
LSI SCSI 320 board. Since some of my drives (which I also buy used on
ebay - never had any problems) are SCSI 320, that seems like the way
to go.

--lady margaret thatcher--

>I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
>wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
>banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
>the card to start its BIOS config menus.
>
>I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
>card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
>flash.
>
>Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
>dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
>including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
>recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.
>
>I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
>there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.
>
>I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
>card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
>processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
>up fine.
>
>When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
>were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
>purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts
>perfectly
>
>Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
>and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
>lower right corner of the card.
>
>What to do?
>
>Thanks.
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 28, 2005 8:12:22 PM

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I haven't been following PCI developments too closely. It __seems
that__ the two are identical, but perhaps not. I have already RTF web
sites.

Can anyone enlighten me.

maggie
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 28, 2005 11:28:28 PM

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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:12:22 -0700, Lady Margaret Thatcher
<Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote:

>I haven't been following PCI developments too closely. It __seems
>that__ the two are identical, but perhaps not. I have already RTF web
>sites.
>
>Can anyone enlighten me.

Regardless of the operating frequency, PCI-X Mode 1 uses a slightly different
bus-level protocol than PCI (all signals get a full bus tick to make
transfers, no need for "sneak clocks" in the io ring to make timing back to
the bus from hot-off-the-bus inputs).

The comparitively rare PCI-X Mode 2 is quite different electrically; PCI-X
Mode 1 and PCI use single-ended signaling while PCI-X Mode 2 uses differential
signaling, includes ECC at the bus level and is more packet oriented...

/daytripper
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 29, 2005 3:54:56 AM

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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:28:28 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:12:22 -0700, Lady Margaret Thatcher
><Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote:
>
>>I haven't been following PCI developments too closely. It __seems
>>that__ the two are identical, but perhaps not. I have already RTF web
>>sites.
>>
>>Can anyone enlighten me.
>
>Regardless of the operating frequency, PCI-X Mode 1 uses a slightly different
>bus-level protocol than PCI (all signals get a full bus tick to make
>transfers, no need for "sneak clocks" in the io ring to make timing back to
>the bus from hot-off-the-bus inputs).
>
>The comparitively rare PCI-X Mode 2 is quite different electrically; PCI-X
>Mode 1 and PCI use single-ended signaling while PCI-X Mode 2 uses differential
>signaling, includes ECC at the bus level and is more packet oriented...
>
>/daytripper

Thanks. I guess my next question is:

If I have a motherboard with 64-bit wide PCI slots, but without any
mention of PCI-X in its specs, can I use a PCI-X board in this
motherboard? The motherboard is an ASUS A7M-266D.

Thanks.
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 29, 2005 5:57:06 AM

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"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote in message
news:qfg4h1p81b9pis9gsdv5ljuso5jfgv5d7m@4ax.com
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:46:06 -0700, Lady Margaret Thatcher <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote:
>
> OK, so shoot me for top-posting. Here is a status report.
>
> The only way I could get the "bad" board to get through a post was to
> put it into the same system as the "good" board. When I first plugged
> the good board into my system--in-progress, it too reported invalid
> configuration.

That is normal for the LSI bios. They all do that.

> But it was no problem to enter the setup menu and reset parameters.
>
> With both boards in the same system, I could start up the
> configuration menu from the good board,

That is one of my recommendations for getting a bad-flash board through post.

> and that menu would also try to configure the bad board.

> When I selected one of the two channels (these are dual-channel boards) in the
> bad board, the system hung, just as it hung because the bad board wouldn't POST.
>
> When I restarted my system, both boards went through POST and both
> boards searched for SCSI devices. Since the new system is still being
> built up, there were no SCSI devices present. What is interesting,
> though, is that the good board would scan SCSI IDs at about 1 per
> second, but the bad board took about 30 seconds per ID. And at
> 15 x 2 IDs (dual channel boards, remember), that's a long time.
>
> When I pulled the good board out of the system, the bad board
> refused to POST, just as before.
>
> I should also mention that once I got the system to post with both
> boards, the first thing I did was back up the BIOS from the good
> board, at rev 4.16 and use that BIOS to flash the bad board, which
> was at 4.19.

> All the above behavior about configuration and SCSI ID scanning,
> was with the bad board already at 4.16.

I'll take that as 'after you flashed it with the other boards image'.

>
> So in the end, I have a board that may be useful as a host adapter,
> but can't be configured.

That may be it's problem. A bad CMOS chip or CMOS image.
I have had that happen with Compaq boards.
That particular Compaq boards had a smaller CMOS chip and the
full blown LSI bios couldn't run with that (configuration error).
It would run with the small bios from LSI though.
Next I managed to kill one of those boards when I ran a flash program
from TeKram. Just starting the program already killed it.
The configuration errors now would appear with the small LSI image too.
The only way to get that board functional with the small LSI image again
was to physically remove the CMOS (Serial EEPROM) chip.

> So, it goes into my "dud parts" pile.

You can try the 32kB image and see if that works.
There will not be any configuration utility but it will boot.

And if you don't need it to boot you may be able to set it inoperable from
the other card's bios utility so it doesn't try to activate itself next time.
May or may not work but worth a try.

>
> In the meantime, I just checked out eBay, and for about the same
> $80-$100 I paid for this board 2 or 2 1/2 years ago, I can now get an
> LSI SCSI 320 board. Since some of my drives (which I also buy used on
> ebay - never had any problems) are SCSI 320, that seems like the way
> to go.
>
> --lady margaret thatcher--
>
> > I have an LSI (Symbios) 21040-33 card. Dual channel SCSI. 64-bit
> > wide, 133 Mhz. This card won't finish POST, although the its "welcome
> > banner" does appear. However, I can't get control-C to work to get
> > the card to start its BIOS config menus.
> >
> > I was hoping that a BIOS flash might "unstick" the card, but since the
> > card doesn't POST, then my system can't POST, so I can't do a BIOS
> > flash.
> >
> > Two years ago, I bought two of these cards used, along with two Asus
> > dual AMD CPU motherboards. At that time, I built up one system,
> > including this model card, and it all runs quite nicely. I don't
> > recall having any problems with initial configuration of this card.
> >
> > I've just started to build up the second system. I've R'ed TFM, but
> > there is no information about trouble-shooting this problem.
> >
> > I always build up a new system one step at a time. Without the LSI
> > card, the skeletal system consists of the motherboard, both AMD
> > processors installed and running, and a Matrox VGA card. That boots
> > up fine.
> >
> > When I installed the LSI card and encountered this POST problem, there
> > were no drives connected except a floppy drive for BIOS flashing
> > purposes only. As noted, without the LSI card in the system, it posts
> > perfectly
> >
> > Both the LSI card in my first system and this one are at SMDS 4.16,
> > and both cards have identical V4.16.00 stickers on chip U17, near the
> > lower right corner of the card.
> >
> > What to do?
> >
> > Thanks.
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 29, 2005 10:50:19 AM

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Lady Margaret Thatcher wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:28:28 -0400, daytripper
> <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:12:22 -0700, Lady Margaret Thatcher
>><Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote:
>>
>>>I haven't been following PCI developments too closely. It __seems
>>>that__ the two are identical, but perhaps not. I have already RTF web
>>>sites.
>>>
>>>Can anyone enlighten me.
>>
>>Regardless of the operating frequency, PCI-X Mode 1 uses a slightly
>>different bus-level protocol than PCI (all signals get a full bus tick to
>>make transfers, no need for "sneak clocks" in the io ring to make timing
>>back to the bus from hot-off-the-bus inputs).
>>
>>The comparitively rare PCI-X Mode 2 is quite different electrically; PCI-X
>>Mode 1 and PCI use single-ended signaling while PCI-X Mode 2 uses
>>differential signaling, includes ECC at the bus level and is more packet
>>oriented...
>>
>>/daytripper
>
> Thanks. I guess my next question is:
>
> If I have a motherboard with 64-bit wide PCI slots, but without any
> mention of PCI-X in its specs, can I use a PCI-X board in this
> motherboard? The motherboard is an ASUS A7M-266D.

Your board uses the AMD-768 chip, which supports PCI 2.2. PCI-X is
_supposed_ to be backward compatible with PCI 2.2 so PCI-X boards _should_
work fine. What _should_ happen and what _does_ happen are not always the
same, but in general PCI-X boards should work
>
> Thanks.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 30, 2005 1:57:01 AM

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:57:06 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
<see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:


>>
>> The only way I could get the "bad" board to get through a post was to
>> put it into the same system as the "good" board. When I first plugged
>> the good board into my system--in-progress, it too reported invalid
>> configuration.
>
>That is normal for the LSI bios. They all do that.
>

Yes, it seems that whenever you first insert an LSI board into a new
system, the board reports "invalid configuration."

>> But it was no problem to enter the setup menu and reset parameters.
>>
>> With both boards in the same system, I could start up the
>> configuration menu from the good board,
>
>That is one of my recommendations for getting a bad-flash board through post.

Well, I figured it out on my own, and it did work. But imagine the
poor slob who doesn't have a second board. What is he to do?
>
>
>> I should also mention that once I got the system to post with both
>> boards, the first thing I did was back up the BIOS from the good
>> board, at rev 4.16 and use that BIOS to flash the bad board, which
>> was at 4.19.
>
>> All the above behavior about configuration and SCSI ID scanning,
>> was with the bad board already at 4.16.
>
>I'll take that as 'after you flashed it with the other boards image'.

Yes, I should have been more explicit. All the above behavior was
AFTER I flashed the 'bad' board with the 4.16 BIOS, as copied directly
from the 'good' board.

>
>>
>> So in the end, I have a board that may be useful as a host adapter,
>> but can't be configured.
>
>That may be it's problem. A bad CMOS chip or CMOS image.
>I have had that happen with Compaq boards.
>That particular Compaq boards had a smaller CMOS chip and the
>full blown LSI bios couldn't run with that (configuration error).
>It would run with the small bios from LSI though.

My two LSI boards are the identical model. I believe that this board
uses a 64 KB BIOS. Which BIOS would I pick up for a 32 KB image?



>
>You can try the 32kB image and see if that works.
>There will not be any configuration utility but it will boot.

OK. That would be inconvenient, but I could always move the good
board into the bad board system when I needed to reconfigure the bad
board BIOS.

>
>And if you don't need it to boot you may be able to set it inoperable from
>the other card's bios utility so it doesn't try to activate itself next time.
>May or may not work but worth a try.

That seems like a good idea. That way I could have 4 SCSI channels in
my PC. :)  :) 

>
>>

Thanks.

--maggie--
Anonymous
a b G Storage
August 30, 2005 8:44:39 PM

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"Lady Margaret Thatcher" <Was_at_10_Downing_Street@bad_for_the_UK.org> wrote in message
news:tep7h1hvf402mkrmjjpvcat9encpvli3s8@4ax.com
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:57:06 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The only way I could get the "bad" board to get through a post was to
> > > put it into the same system as the "good" board. When I first plugged
> > > the good board into my system--in-progress, it too reported invalid
> > > configuration.
> >
> > That is normal for the LSI bios. They all do that.
> >
>
> Yes, it seems that whenever you first insert an LSI board into a new
> system, the board reports "invalid configuration."
>
> > > But it was no problem to enter the setup menu and reset parameters.
> > >
> > > With both boards in the same system, I could start up the
> > > configuration menu from the good board,
> >
> > That is one of my recommendations for getting a bad-flash board through post.
>
> Well, I figured it out on my own, and it did work. But imagine the
> poor slob who doesn't have a second board. What is he to do?

Ok, my fault, apparently I wasn't clear.
That is *one* of my recommendations. Better so?

> >
> >
> > > I should also mention that once I got the system to post with both
> > > boards, the first thing I did was back up the BIOS from the good
> > > board, at rev 4.16 and use that BIOS to flash the bad board, which
> > > was at 4.19.
> >
> > > All the above behavior about configuration and SCSI ID scanning,
> > > was with the bad board already at 4.16.
> >
> > I'll take that as 'after you flashed it with the other boards image'.
>
> Yes, I should have been more explicit. All the above behavior was
> AFTER I flashed the 'bad' board with the 4.16 BIOS, as copied directly
> from the 'good' board.
>
> >
> > >
> > > So in the end, I have a board that may be useful as a host adapter,
> > > but can't be configured.
> >
> > That may be it's problem. A bad CMOS chip or CMOS image.
> > I have had that happen with Compaq boards.
> > That particular Compaq boards had a smaller CMOS chip and the
> > full blown LSI bios couldn't run with that (configuration error).
> > It would run with the small bios from LSI though.
>
> My two LSI boards are the identical model. I believe that this board
> uses a 64 KB BIOS. Which BIOS would I pick up for a 32 KB image?
>

The one at LSI that says 32kB or less, maybe?

> >
> > You can try the 32kB image and see if that works.
> > There will not be any configuration utility but it will boot.
>
> OK. That would be inconvenient, but I could always move the good
> board into the bad board system when I needed to reconfigure the bad
> board BIOS.

There is no reconfiguring the 32kB bios.
It doesn't use the CMOS, (well, not for configuration, afaict).
As to whether the controller will work in the OS may still be questionable
as the driver will examine the CMOS and may get stuck on that.

>
> >
> > And if you don't need it to boot you may be able to set it inoperable from
> > the other card's bios utility so it doesn't try to activate itself next time.
> > May or may not work but worth a try.

To be clear, this is with the current bios. The 32kB bios can't be disabled.

>
> That seems like a good idea. That way I could have 4 SCSI channels in
> my PC. :)  :) 

Or use it with an IDE drive for boot in another system.

>
> >
> > >
>
> Thanks.
>
> --maggie--
!