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> Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
> there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
> happened, yet.
agreed.
>A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain
> the technologicla edge.
a month after?.. they already have 
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"Chris B." <nospam@xyxyxy.com> wrote in message
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> Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
> there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
> happened, yet. A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain the
> technologicla edge.
From what I see, every generation of consoles makes the PC section in the
stores smaller and smaller. I don't think anyone can deny that.
I do not think PC gaming will die, though - it might move to mostly an
online distribution of smaller titles, but it won't die.
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"Chris B." <nospam@xyxyxy.com> wrote in message
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> steamKILLER wrote:
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > again the same view which i partially agree with...
> >
> > article in cnet
> > "Xbox 360 and PS3: death to PC gaming?"
> > By David Carnoy
> > http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6233821-1.html
> >
> > pc games are declining and we pc gamers must stop it
> > if we still want to have pc games to play we must do our role
> > which is support the platform by all means we got
> >
> > for me the role we must play is:
> > . buy pc games for ourselves
> > . buy pc games to give as gifts to friends and family
> > . never copy pc games to others
> > . never lend pc games to others
> > . buy at least 1 pc game title a month
> > . stay exclusive and faithful to pc games and don't support
> > any kind of consoles or other gaming platforms
> > . actively fight against things that damage pc games like
> > piracy, microsoft attitude toward pc games and consoles
> >
> > support your favorite hobby! support pc games!
> > long live pc games!
> >
> > --
> > to check authenticity of the real "steamKILLER" reassure that
> > the post came from a google server and that the email address
> > is "sayNO2steam@yahoo.com"
> >
> Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
> there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
> happened, yet. A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain the
> technologicla edge.
Clearly however, PC gaming is on a downward slope. As the consoles grow more
powerful, and their numbers greater and greater, the impetus for a company
to release a PC game that is anything other than a console port diminishes
greatly. I don't expect the market to die entirely, but I don't expect it to
get a lot better.
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:10:15 -0400, "Roger Christie"
<rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL>charter.net> wrote:
>"Chris B." <nospam@xyxyxy.com> wrote in message
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>> steamKILLER wrote:
>> > x-no-archive: yes
>> >
>> > again the same view which i partially agree with...
>> >
>> > article in cnet
>> > "Xbox 360 and PS3: death to PC gaming?"
>> > By David Carnoy
>> > http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6233821-1.html
>> >
>> > pc games are declining and we pc gamers must stop it
>> > if we still want to have pc games to play we must do our role
>> > which is support the platform by all means we got
>> >
>> > for me the role we must play is:
>> > . buy pc games for ourselves
>> > . buy pc games to give as gifts to friends and family
>> > . never copy pc games to others
>> > . never lend pc games to others
>> > . buy at least 1 pc game title a month
>> > . stay exclusive and faithful to pc games and don't support
>> > any kind of consoles or other gaming platforms
>> > . actively fight against things that damage pc games like
>> > piracy, microsoft attitude toward pc games and consoles
>> >
>> > support your favorite hobby! support pc games!
>> > long live pc games!
>> >
>> > --
>> > to check authenticity of the real "steamKILLER" reassure that
>> > the post came from a google server and that the email address
>> > is "sayNO2steam@yahoo.com"
>> >
>> Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
>> there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
>> happened, yet. A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain the
>> technologicla edge.
>
>Clearly however, PC gaming is on a downward slope. As the consoles grow more
>powerful, and their numbers greater and greater, the impetus for a company
>to release a PC game that is anything other than a console port diminishes
>greatly. I don't expect the market to die entirely, but I don't expect it to
>get a lot better.
I don't have a problem with that as long as the console ports don't end up
being third person platformer/action games all the time. Hopefully the console
will evolve into something more than a toy for button mashers and the
controllers will change so that the games won't be designed around it.
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jwb wrote:
>"Chris B." <nospam@xyxyxy.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>>Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
>>there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
>>happened, yet. A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain the
>>technologicla edge.
>>
>>
>
>From what I see, every generation of consoles makes the PC section in the
>stores smaller and smaller. I don't think anyone can deny that.
>
>
Not really. Consoles don't make the PC games fewer, the lack of decent
games does. They don't need someone else to blame for their failures,
they are cutting their own throats with lousy design, lousy
implementation, lousy service, high prices, and general
dissatisfaction. I could name half a dozen games in the last year that
I had once held high expectations for, some I beta'd, and all have
failed. I didn't buy any of them.
It's not a case of having not enough, either. Many of these failed
because they tried to have too much. I'm sorry, but the early days of
uo and quake are over, no one product can be everything to everyone,
dominate the market anymore (there being some competition now). Yet
every new game comes out trying to have everything. If they would
identify and select a reasonable target audience and serve them, they
could have their success, with a simpler development process that does
not need All Standard Features.
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"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:10:15 -0400, "Roger Christie"
> <rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL>charter.net> wrote:
>
> >"Chris B." <nospam@xyxyxy.com> wrote in message
> >newsLmdnV7PWNnCMDzfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> >> steamKILLER wrote:
> >> > x-no-archive: yes
> >> >
> >> > again the same view which i partially agree with...
> >> >
> >> > article in cnet
> >> > "Xbox 360 and PS3: death to PC gaming?"
> >> > By David Carnoy
> >> > http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6233821-1.html
> >> >
> >> > pc games are declining and we pc gamers must stop it
> >> > if we still want to have pc games to play we must do our role
> >> > which is support the platform by all means we got
> >> >
> >> > for me the role we must play is:
> >> > . buy pc games for ourselves
> >> > . buy pc games to give as gifts to friends and family
> >> > . never copy pc games to others
> >> > . never lend pc games to others
> >> > . buy at least 1 pc game title a month
> >> > . stay exclusive and faithful to pc games and don't support
> >> > any kind of consoles or other gaming platforms
> >> > . actively fight against things that damage pc games like
> >> > piracy, microsoft attitude toward pc games and consoles
> >> >
> >> > support your favorite hobby! support pc games!
> >> > long live pc games!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > to check authenticity of the real "steamKILLER" reassure that
> >> > the post came from a google server and that the email address
> >> > is "sayNO2steam@yahoo.com"
> >> >
> >> Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
> >> there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
> >> happened, yet. A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain the
> >> technologicla edge.
> >
> >Clearly however, PC gaming is on a downward slope. As the consoles grow
more
> >powerful, and their numbers greater and greater, the impetus for a
company
> >to release a PC game that is anything other than a console port
diminishes
> >greatly. I don't expect the market to die entirely, but I don't expect it
to
> >get a lot better.
>
> I don't have a problem with that as long as the console ports don't end up
> being third person platformer/action games all the time. Hopefully the
console
> will evolve into something more than a toy for button mashers and the
> controllers will change so that the games won't be designed around it.
I do. Not for games that are the console's bread and butter. But for
strategy, rpg, simulations and the like, having something designed for the
console first is a major detriment. Interface issues DO matter.
I don't expeect the controllers to change significantly any time soon,
sadly.
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"Chris B." <nospam@xyxyxy.com> wrote in message
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> Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
> there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
> happened, yet. A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain the
> technologicla edge.
It's not just technology. If technology were the only thing driving
consoles and gaming, the Playstation and PS2 wouldn't have done so well.
The PSX was actually outdated technologically the moment it hit North
American shores, it's just the competition was nonexistant for a few
years... yet it had a long, successful life.
Now, I do have a problem with the articles contention that gaming PC's
cost 2000 dollars. Not really.. not unless you buy from Alienware, and
there's nothing particularly special about a gaming PC, other than it should
have a decent graphics card. In that "gaming PC", is going to be alot of
fluff like a big flatscreen monitor and 5-7.1 speakers, none of which is
required for PC gaming to even be enjoyable (I only use headphones or 2.1
speakers, and I bought a flatscreen monitor mostly to save power- it's not
large or expensive). OTOH, most console fanatics don't lump in that price
of that HDTV or 5.1 sound system... yet they are comparing it to similarly
"high end" PC rigs.
The real truth is that you can build a high end gaming PC for around 800
dollars or less (assuming you need a hard drive and all that other stuff,
and not just taking it from your old computer), or have somebody else build
it, somebody indepedent and not having deep advertising budgets. But most
people are unwilling to do this, and hence the ultimate problem with PC
gaming- a much smaller audience . Most Americans aren't intelligent enough,
or are to lazy to to even check the air pressure in their tires, let alone
put in a new motherboard in their PC. The console market can feed into this
relatively easy, as everything is already packaged together at a low price.
Another problem I see with PC gaming is a slow withering of PC gamings
spirit and vitality. This might actually be a side effect of the increased
popularity of consoles, though. Developers cannot afford to make risky, low
profit PC games anymore, perhaps. To be sure, developers do make alot of
games for the PC, but very often they are multi-platform affairs, ported
from the console.
I've been a long time PC gamer, but lately I'm enjoying the consoles alot
more- I own a PS2. There are some games that are clearly better on the PC,
and strategy gaming on the PC is still much better than on the consoles, but
in the end I see more and more of my gaming time going to the PS2 and not
the PC.
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In article <11a3uchc9vth920@news.supernews.com>,
Quaestor <no.spam@my.place> wrote:
>jwb wrote:
>
>>"Chris B." <nospam@xyxyxy.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>
>>>Everytime a new generation of consoles arrive (anyone remember 3DO?),
>>>there have always been the prediction of pc gaming's demise. Hasn't
>>>happened, yet. A month after the new XBox is out, PC's will regain the
>>>technologicla edge.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>From what I see, every generation of consoles makes the PC section in the
>>stores smaller and smaller. I don't think anyone can deny that.
>>
>>
>
>Not really. Consoles don't make the PC games fewer, the lack of decent
>games does. They don't need someone else to blame for their failures,
>they are cutting their own throats with lousy design, lousy
>implementation, lousy service, high prices, and general
>dissatisfaction. I could name half a dozen games in the last year that
>I had once held high expectations for, some I beta'd, and all have
>failed. I didn't buy any of them.
>
>It's not a case of having not enough, either. Many of these failed
>because they tried to have too much. I'm sorry, but the early days of
>uo and quake are over, no one product can be everything to everyone,
>dominate the market anymore (there being some competition now). Yet
>every new game comes out trying to have everything. If they would
>identify and select a reasonable target audience and serve them, they
>could have their success, with a simpler development process that does
>not need All Standard Features.
Features have always been a problem in OS development, too.
You can't implement everything and have to choose. It appears
that games people tried to satify all complaints. I've
noticed that gamers here have to have graphics (not the old
styles), sounds, romances, personalities in each
character, and other unbelievable demands. IOW, you stopped
wanting an RPG and wanted a soap opera that allowed you to
be a virtual character. The product morphed into something
that is not an RPG but an interactive movie, Hollywood style.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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Memnoch wrote:
>
> I don't know about that. Have you seen the specs for GPUs it has? I would
> imagine you would need some kind of SLI rig to compete with that and look how
> much that would set you back for just the two cards.
I don't expect to have a state of the art GPU in a console thing
How many months do we have after the HW design is settled and the
console hits the streets?
More than a few months in my opinion
With the rate of new videocards from both ATI and Nvidia I'll expect no
more than a year before high end gaming rigs is well ahead of any
console
>From the linked article
"if next-generation consoles represent the best that Nvidia and ATI can
do at the time when those consoles launch, you'll still be able to
count on PC hardware surpassing the PS3 and the Xbox 360 within a few
years."
Considering that the top end cards of today costs way more than a
console 
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On 5 Jun 2005 09:56:39 -0700, "Peter [AGHL]" <peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:
>Memnoch wrote:
>>
>> I don't know about that. Have you seen the specs for GPUs it has? I would
>> imagine you would need some kind of SLI rig to compete with that and look how
>> much that would set you back for just the two cards.
>
>I don't expect to have a state of the art GPU in a console thing
>How many months do we have after the HW design is settled and the
>console hits the streets?
>More than a few months in my opinion
>With the rate of new videocards from both ATI and Nvidia I'll expect no
>more than a year before high end gaming rigs is well ahead of any
>console
Yep, they always have in the past and I expect they always will. ATI will
eventually release a desktop variant of the card that XBox 360 has and next
evolutionary cycle will have begun again.
>>From the linked article
>"if next-generation consoles represent the best that Nvidia and ATI can
>do at the time when those consoles launch, you'll still be able to
>count on PC hardware surpassing the PS3 and the Xbox 360 within a few
>years."
>
>Considering that the top end cards of today costs way more than a
>console
Exactly. If the specs on paper actually give the performance they suggest I
don't think there is a PC card out there right now except maybe a dual SLI
setup that could compare. I've yet to see some direct comparisons of its
hardware to any PC configuration though so it's hard to say for sure.
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