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Opinion: Why Microsoft’s Windows 8 App Store May Fail

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December 23, 2011 6:16:45 PM

Good points in this article... MSFT has a real challedge on their hands for the next decade... their windows cash hog is slowly dying
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December 23, 2011 6:22:25 PM

fuck. finally gruener write something without siding to apple..
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December 23, 2011 6:36:50 PM

Xbox should be left on the consoles look what happen to cross play with Shadowrun when it came to Keyboard Vs Controller that failed big time. Thumbs up for anyone that's going to be disabling the Metro UI after the learn whats new in Windows 8, especially for people that don't have a touch screen.

I see no reason at all to have that ugly interface on the system, if this keeps up your best bet would be to go back in the Command Prompt. Life is so much easier working in the Command Prompt well at lease for me anyway. Xmas
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December 23, 2011 6:42:13 PM

Was the download.com comment sarcasm? It was probably on this site where I read that CNET was caught offering misleading downloads to try to trick users into installing junk that they don't want without the developers' knowledge.
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December 23, 2011 6:43:52 PM

Metro has to stay with Tablets and Windows Phone. Dear Microsoft, a PC is not Tablet. Metro will drive people away from Windows and MS is going to learn hard lesson this time, it will have greater impact than Windows Vista failure. I tried Metro and on Desktop machine it is unusable. Using keyboard and mouse is insanely non functional. If you want to get an idea try Zune ->horrible and that explains why it failed. I was very surprised by MS move on Metro, even they Windows Phone is not doing well.
I am afraid that in some way Metro will be intrusive and necessary to run some basic tasks like Search. Unfortunately all the good changes in Windows 8 such as improvements in File System, Backup etc will be shadowed by new UI. I like changes and i am not stuck on old interface but when is something bad (Metro) it is really bad. If you see Pre-Beta screenshots (Most likely Final) you get big ass tile with Windows Explorer Icon on it and text. What a waste of Desktop space, and it is so intrusive. I said 10 years ago that MS needs to fire their complete design team along with managers.
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December 23, 2011 6:45:26 PM

If they really want to get Windows Store, fine. They need to follow Steam idea. Steam is the biggest success on PC, i would say bigger than Windows 7 itself! I also see that some form of XBOX live will get involved with PC. Dear Microsoft, a PC is not Console. Please stop mixing oranges and apples.
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December 23, 2011 6:54:27 PM

If i was MS CEO, i would kill Metro project as there is still time. Revert Windows 8 interface back to Windows 7 interface and i guess keep Ribbon Feature (still needs to be polished) to make UI consistent and do some UI tweaks here and there Windows 7 was lacking. Bring all the kernel changes and features from Windows 8. And ship the product, i bet it would succeed a big time. After it goes RTM fire whole design team with Managers and hire some smart people out there, people who are in UI Business for decades.
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December 23, 2011 6:57:19 PM

Microsoft does not bring up HTML5 because developers don't want it. When microsoft mentions HTML5 THEY LOSE DEVELOPER INTEREST. Its like a bad word to us. So they keep mum because they under estimated the negative feedback from their developer community. They still are not sure if developers are going to show up for Windows 8 to build apps. There is a bigger story here. If it fails Windows 8 goes away, but so does the HTML5 stuff. I am personally willing to sacrifice it. Check out what Microsoft developers are saying about the HTML5 direction. You will soon see its some scary stuff.
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December 23, 2011 6:57:37 PM

So many things wrong in this FUD article. All windows store apps will support mouse and keyboard. Why would desktop and laptop users not use the app store to get the latest and greatest software for Windows. CNET will not be able to offer winrt apps for download. And download.com is a cesspool of crapware and anti-malware software. It will not be competitive it representative of what you find on Windows app store. Anyone who thinks Microsoft will have trouble attracting developers to the official Windows 8 app store is a moron. Even Windows Phone which has no market share right now is the fastest growing app store in history. Windows has the largest stable of developers in the world and will quickly have the largest install base in the world. It will probably take Windows 8 less than 8 months to surpass the iPad install base.
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December 23, 2011 6:58:48 PM

Another thing about Windows Store, I think paying Valve to build Windows Store (Steam Concept) for Windows would be even better option. Why reinvent the wheel when there are people and companies who are doing perfect job in it namely Valve. I bet it would be much more cost effective than trying to figure out Windows Store using Metro.
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December 23, 2011 7:01:22 PM

HTML5 is not that important because doesn't bring anything. All what HTML5 offers is already done much better.
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December 23, 2011 7:03:42 PM

@dhdhdh

We know that mouse and keyboard is supported but it doesn't make it any better. Speaking of Windows 7 Phone, it doesn't have Market Share and it won't have Market Share because people don't like its interface, some hate it with passion.
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Anonymous
December 23, 2011 7:11:04 PM

Simple, They need someone like Steve Jobs to do things on the roll.
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December 23, 2011 7:12:43 PM

Windows Phone market share has nothing to do with the interface. Every review of Windows Phone I've ever seen has spoken with high praise of the interface and people who have the phones say they get complements from strangers all the time. The point anyway was that Microsoft has no trouble attracting developers to it's platform even when there is limited market share, so Windows 8 which will have massive market share certainly won't have problems attracting developers to the platform.
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December 23, 2011 7:31:01 PM

I'll give this article credit for one thing. They qualified the headline with "may fail." Sure there is a remote possibility of anything. If you're a betting man and you're counting on Windows to fail and an app store that is built into the desktop to fail because of CNET's offerings at some website then just wow.

Keep in mind that even Vista which was one of the worst selling Windows in recent years sold many more copies than iOS has. Perspective seems to be lost here. Microsoft on a bad day has a bigger reach than Apple at it's zenith. Windows 8's app store is going to overtake everything on the market in a matter of months, not years. People don't seem to be able to comprehend the volume of Windows PCs sales and the importance of having an app store pre-installed on the desktop of every computer manufactured in the world.

Another thing lost at a techy geek site like this: Windows 8 metro/touch friendly interface has far more mainstream appeal than any version of Windows before it. But beyond that the type of apps that are going to propel Windows 8 into the mainstream are casual/mainstream fare like Angry Birds. It's not just about Photoshop and IE anymore guys. Look at what Kinect did for Xbox 360 sales, it's instructive to what can happen when a company that has already conquered a segment of the market suddenly opens it up to a new audience.
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December 23, 2011 7:36:09 PM

Matt on this one I think you may be wrong. Here is why. Windows Phone was a trial. Kind of like we know Microsoft is big so we better go with our logical choice. Lets build an App for Windows Phone and see how it does. It also help that the tools for windows phone development make all other platforms look like they are 20 years behind. But, Windows Phone did not take off. Microsoft is going to have to sell a large number of Windows 8 licenses before developers jump in. To build for Windows 8 I have to learn a new API, while I have more users on Windows 7 and I can use what I like and am comfortable with. If Windows 7 gets an app store that would have some value to developers. It will be a hard sell non Windows 8
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December 23, 2011 7:56:06 PM

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Microsoft should be focusing more on helping developers to market their apps among potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of apps.


Absolutely correct also the way for Microsoft apps to become entrenched in the Windows community is to mix free Applications with for payment ones and allow lots of user tweekability. The bottom line is that Microsoft has gone from being a hated company to one people tolerate and even support, thanks to Apple and its nefarious defrauding and jailing of its gullible supporters. I mean there was a time when people thought Microsoft was about control and restriction. Now we look at Microsoft as a beacon of freedom by comparison to companies like Apple.




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December 23, 2011 8:02:08 PM

In my eyes, the Windows 8 App Store will succeed and in a big way. Once Windows 8 becomes ubiquitous and it commands a large percentage of the market, the sales will be rolling in. Especially on tablets and phones where the metro UI will be prominent. I even think this will work well on the desltop and laptop side of things as well, especially on new purchases, whereas already purchased software will just be installed via previous methods.

Given Widows market share, it can only be a good thing for MS and Developers as there will be such a huge install base to work with.
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December 23, 2011 8:06:49 PM

Ah yes, M$ has the me2Store now.
It seems that even with 90,000 brains on their pay role they can not come up with anything original.
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December 23, 2011 8:34:46 PM

people can bash MS app store, but to be honest I would preffer to use it over googleing and hopeing I don't an virus or trojan, it would be even easier to get apps I need and some small developers which actually make good soft could get some cash.. I see more ++ then --
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December 23, 2011 8:43:21 PM

"Apps" are for toys. "Applications" are programs that serve useful purposes, like MS Office (or Open Office, or any other productivity package). I don't think Microsoft needs a toy store to serve its target market for Windows devices: businesses that have the money to buy the tools to get jobs done; I don't think they need to worry about selling toys to Junior to impress his little friends for a week or two before they're forgotten.
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Anonymous
December 23, 2011 8:57:09 PM

What kind of tech journalist in almost 2012 still refers to Windows PHONE as Windows Mobile? This was a decent article with good perception, however you've completely ruined you're credibility with anything Windows related when you don't even know the proper name of the software you're reviewing!
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December 23, 2011 9:01:23 PM

Really, what's the point of an "Appstore" or something like it for a PC? Aren't they meant for more of a "mobile experience" ?
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December 23, 2011 9:08:08 PM

JOSHSKORNReally, what's the point of an "Appstore" or something like it for a PC? Aren't they meant for more of a "mobile experience" ?


Well, depends what you understand as apps, those apps what we are using on phones we clearly don't need on PC, but on app store you could get softs like CPU-Z, Afterburner, Open Office and other popular softs without looking in google and DLing it from 3rd party web sites which might be infected with some random crap.
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December 23, 2011 9:36:04 PM

If Windows 7 and Office 2010 sells for US$0.99, I think they will be great success!
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December 23, 2011 9:57:02 PM

arachebfuck. finally gruener write something without siding to apple..

Not really. Not mentioning his favorite much, but sledging MS as often as possible accomplishes the same thing.
His 'article' is so full of misrepresentations of fact he should be ashamed.
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December 23, 2011 10:00:41 PM

mattstoneWindows Phone market share has nothing to do with the interface. Every review of Windows Phone I've ever seen has spoken with high praise of the interface and people who have the phones say they get complements from strangers all the time. The point anyway was that Microsoft has no trouble attracting developers to it's platform even when there is limited market share, so Windows 8 which will have massive market share certainly won't have problems attracting developers to the platform.

Its not even an issue with attracting devs. Its the morans in phone stores don't know squat about th ephones (and don't want to learn either) and will blindly recommend iPhones and androids even when they know damn well that a particular customer is going to be quickly lost in the needless complexity of android and doesn't care about being 'trendy' by getting a fruity phone.
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December 23, 2011 10:07:38 PM

I think the author missed out on one very important thing Microsoft has going for it. Kinect. Mattstone hinted at it and the author even mentions the X-box platform is underutilized. Word is out that Kinect, version 2, will be for PCs and have facial recognition as well as the ability to read lips. If this works as touted, Microsoft can trump touchscreens. We could all be "Navigating Like Neo" in the Matrix by simply moving our hands around in the air or simply speaking commands. I know for a fact that they are working on a Microsoft "home" system where the whole house is integrated and the user interface (note - no GUI) is voice based, ala Captain Kirk. Something to think about but these won't be $0.99 apps, a.k.a. programs.
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December 23, 2011 11:31:39 PM

In "the bad" section Gruener is talking about the fact that Cnet is offering apps for Windows systems, therefore creating competition to a prospective Windows Store, dooming it from the start. Yse he fails to explain how is this bad for Windows 8 in general (see title of article). It's like competition is bad for the platform. IMO, competition only brings the platform into focus, because there are more suppliers fighting for the same OS. By some twisted logic, this is supposed to be bad. Maybe in Apple's model, where there is only one AppStore available for their customers and the developers who are being taken for a ride by Apple's practices.
If MS puts the right set of tools in devs' hands and set them loose, there is no telling where the devs are going to stop. How can this be bad?
About Xbox live: I think that a store that has X-box in it's name will not be taken seriously by most businesses and businessmen. That is too quickly associated with the gaming platform, and most users are not interested in that. The idea behind integrating apps and making them available via a common portal is good, that's what Android and iOS are doing, but the name can hurt it. If anything, that would be "the bad".
I took the time to read Gruener's spewing, mostly because I try really hard to make some sense of what he is telling and to use some sane arguments to show that he is wrong about this (like about other million things he's been wrong in the past). Truth is, he likes to bash everything that is not Apple and in the end he does not need logical arguments to do that (haters never use logic). That's why my attempts to understand his logic have eventually failed, and this article is no different. Take the "touch" section, for instance. MS is trying to unify the app store by promoting apps that are useful using the Metro interface, but at the same time can (and will) be used by desktop/notebook users via a classic interface (KB and mouse). MS has always affirmed the fact that the classic UI will not be abandoned (how can it? it's their bread and butter for more than 90percent of all PCs) and therefore it's logical that every important/essential application will have a classic UI and a Metro UI support. Yet for Gruener having options is (again) something bad. In case he's not informed, Apple is doing the same exact thing, trying to unify apps for iOS and their MacOS. I presume that is good for Gruener only in Apple's case, but not in MS'?
I rest my case.
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December 23, 2011 11:47:04 PM

Can't wait for the Windows 8 appstore with the new tablet centric Metro UI on my traditonal desktop/labtop pc, so I can use the current most popular downloaded apps on Itunes and Android app store including Facebook, Gmail, and google maps, along with top selling games like Angry birds and fruit ninja. Its not like we had easy access to these web applications on desktops before apps stores.

Wait a minute......something seems off.
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December 24, 2011 12:33:26 AM

download.com and cnet... give me a break! That is the biggest rip-off site I know of. Between software trying to tack on their stupid spy toolbars to their virus checkers that find the viruses but charge for removal. I trust nothing that comes from there.

And now even Apples and Android appstores are crap because of "in app" purchasing. It essentially allows devs to "hide" the real price. I just hope MS doesn't allow this deceptive practice. I see tons of games on Android and Apple come out that are now "free".
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December 24, 2011 12:41:29 AM

I think it could be a big success if Microsoft makes sure all the apps are malware, virus free and won't crash any computer. if they can do that then that's where everyone will get their apps. I for one do not trust download.com or cnet, softpedia, etc because these sites inject your computer with malware and spyware. There's even sites out there that look very similar to these and your average user couldnt tell the real from the fake one apart.

A Windows app store would remove the hassle of having to look all over the internet for something you need, like say a video converter. You could get one by doing a search in the app store and you'll be sure that it would work and is clean where as if a user looks for that in the internet, 9 times out of 10 it will be infected.

Just think about it. The potential of your average user to get infected by virus, malware and spyware would decrease drastically if like I said, Microsoft keeps a close watch to the apps and tests them thoroughly.
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December 24, 2011 12:59:59 AM

i will be still using newegg.com, google.com and steam. As far as Windows Store goes it can succeed if it's done right but since it will evolve around Metro Interface i can tell you that it will fail in no time. There will be shit load of viruses and apps which will here and there break your Windows or fuck up registry, i can see this coming all through Windows Store. Also lot of cases of potential security break and gaining your private information. I am going to have a good laugh in about a year or so.
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December 24, 2011 1:00:48 AM

i will be still using newegg.com, google.com and steam. As far as Windows Store goes it can succeed if it's done right but since it will evolve around Metro Interface i can tell you that it will fail in no time. There will be shit load of viruses and apps which will here and there break your Windows or fuck up registry, i can see this coming all through Windows Store.
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December 24, 2011 1:57:35 AM

Microsoft has been taking way too much of a "me too" approach to things these days.
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December 24, 2011 2:49:59 AM

Xerroz has a good point, but the big problem I'd anticipate from a "clean" Microsoft store is prices. Existing Microsoft discount programs (with the exception of the Home Use Program) have prices that can't touch Newegg, Steam, or any other similarly clean source of software. If they want software to be treated like a commodity, their prices need to reflect that.
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December 24, 2011 3:18:28 AM

unionoobpeople can bash MS app store, but to be honest I would preffer to use it over googleing and hopeing I don't an virus or trojan, it would be even easier to get apps I need and some small developers which actually make good soft could get some cash.. I see more ++ then --


Sandboxie is good for testing new programs without worrying about the effects it may have on the rest of the system.
Alternatively you could learn to manage a personal backup routine so that if SHTF you can restore your PC to a pre 'rogue' (bloody SOPA =X ) program state.
A third option further down is to install Oracle VM VirtualBox on your PC and make a virtual installation of Win7 purely for program testing purposes (or more advanced would be to tangle with a bare metal install of VMWare and run your machine without a Host OS).

Sure it sounds more difficult then it is (seriously I wish I learned all that sooner =) ), and there may be even more/simpler means of testing a new program with minimal exposure to the varietys of infection on the net, but all that above is far better IMHO then the potential walled (and expensive pay as you go) garden that may be MS Apps.

As for Devs making cash; I'd much rather ensure all the $ I pay/donate to the devs of good software goes to them whom rightfully deserve it as opposed to having 3rd party (as if the likes of Paypal are not bad enough without MSFT copying APPL here =X ) skim a share off the work of others.

I've (like many others before me) had no trouble finding good and reliable applications in the 15+ years I've toyed with Windows (and there will be newbies all the time making mistakes and getting trojans etc., someones got to keep the computer repair monkeys at work =P ) and thus see no value in MSFT having an App store now (ugh App store, I guess Program Store doesn't sound as good =X ).

In short, I see this App store as being no incentive for me to move up from Win 7.
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December 24, 2011 4:20:28 AM

i've been wondering where the word app came from for a long time. Tuns out that the extension for applications in mac os is ".app". So i have redoubled my efforts to avoid calling full scale pc applications apps, it just feels that i'm bowing to the bitten fruit logo by doing so.

long live ".exe" and whatever the linux equivalent is (".tar.gz" ??)...
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December 24, 2011 5:17:13 AM

Opinion: Why Gruener's articles may be biased.
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December 24, 2011 6:32:33 AM

internetladOpinion: Why Gruener's articles may be biased.

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December 24, 2011 7:15:31 AM

Touch screen on PC/notebook is not gonna make any sense, Nobody is going to reach their hand to the LCD screen that sit 1-2 feet away.

What Microsoft need is to Get rid of traditional Keyboard + mouse controls, by replacing a better cheaper kinect(from Xbox) + a laser lighting the project a virtual keyboard on my desk, then Use kinect to detect my finger so I can type on my desk and I use my finger draw around my desk acting as virtual mouse.

The kinect also act as a Mic so I can speak with "Microsoft version of SIRI" directly from my voice.

Do all that sell the kinect device under $100(or bundle it with Windows 8, then u'll see windows 8 Successful
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Anonymous
December 24, 2011 10:39:08 AM

RE: "What kind of tech journalist in almost 2012 still refers to Windows PHONE as Windows Mobile?"

It went from winmo6 to wp7. Call a turd by any other name, does it stink any less?
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December 24, 2011 11:34:22 AM

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...when they know damn well that a particular customer is going to be quickly lost in the needless complexity of android...


I completely disagree with you. Android is a rather lame operating system to use, and takes only about one hour to master the basics. My objection to Android is that it is right now the only choice, unless you want to be jailed by iOS5 and the Apple minions of control and defrauding. A windows phone is a viable alternative and could do very well with the proper venue of apps support. One way Microsoft could succeed in making their phone popular would be by opening up stores specifically for their phones in the major cities of the world.

While I like Android, I feel uncomfortable depending on one company for so much of what I do. We need some competition and Apple is absolutely not a smart option, although that could change if they unlocked themselves up and started addressing the needs of its users rather than only Apple's greed.



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December 24, 2011 12:43:32 PM

mobrocketGood points in this article... MSFT has a real challedge on their hands for the next decade... their windows cash hog is slowly dying

Agree and thumbed you up but Tom's has allot of MS fanboys on it who will thumb anything bad about their beloved Windows gaming OS.
MS copying Apple again, have been since the beginning.
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December 24, 2011 12:44:53 PM

del35I completely disagree with you. Android is a rather lame operating system to use, and takes only about one hour to master the basics. My objection to Android is that it is right now the only choice, unless you want to be jailed by iOS5 and the Apple minions of control and defrauding. A windows phone is a viable alternative and could do very well with the proper venue of apps support. One way Microsoft could succeed in making their phone popular would be by opening up stores specifically for their phones in the major cities of the world.While I like Android, I feel uncomfortable depending on one company for so much of what I do. We need some competition and Apple is absolutely not a smart option, although that could change if they unlocked themselves up and started addressing the needs of its users rather than only Apple's greed.

You forgot to mention Blackberry, very safe and tested.
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December 24, 2011 12:46:14 PM

TomfreakTouch screen on PC/notebook is not gonna make any sense, Nobody is going to reach their hand to the LCD screen that sit 1-2 feet away.What Microsoft need is to Get rid of traditional Keyboard + mouse controls, by replacing a better cheaper kinect(from Xbox) + a laser lighting the project a virtual keyboard on my desk, then Use kinect to detect my finger so I can type on my desk and I use my finger draw around my desk acting as virtual mouse. The kinect also act as a Mic so I can speak with "Microsoft version of SIRI" directly from my voice.Do all that sell the kinect device under $100(or bundle it with Windows 8, then u'll see windows 8 Successful

The FED would love that since MS is in bed with them. FED spyware in your face. Carrier IQ was from the FEDS.
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Anonymous
December 24, 2011 12:49:12 PM

I honestly hope it does fail. The move to centralised application stores is something that needs to be fought. That the Windows store will be the only way to distribute Metro-style apps to non-developer/enterprise users should be ringing alarm bells, people.

I like some things about Windows 8, but as others have mentioned, the Start Screen is a disaster for mouse and keyboard users. It seems unlikely that Microsoft will reverse course and let users disable the new interface in time for the release of Windows 8, but we can only hope that Windows 9 restores sanity to the platform.
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December 24, 2011 12:57:20 PM

lradunovic77If i was MS CEO, i would kill Metro project as there is still time. Revert Windows 8 interface back to Windows 7 interface and i guess keep Ribbon Feature (still needs to be polished) to make UI consistent and do some UI tweaks here and there Windows 7 was lacking. Bring all the kernel changes and features from Windows 8. And ship the product, i bet it would succeed a big time. After it goes RTM fire whole design team with Managers and hire some smart people out there, people who are in UI Business for decades.

Dude, Ribbon is a bad thing...
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December 24, 2011 1:02:48 PM

IMHO, the store for Windows will be dropped, as there is competitive freeware for everything out there. Its really hard to sell, if u get free alternative for it.

But, on the other hand, MS don't have to convince everybody to buy, just every 25th should buy, it could live on.

Time will tell.....
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