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Anonymous
June 7, 2004 5:26:26 PM

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What phones either in use now or to be released shortly, would combine the
features of the V600 (ie. bluetooth, quad-band, etc...not necessarily a
camera) with EDGE??

JP
ATL, GA

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Anonymous
June 8, 2004 7:15:25 PM

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Currently I am using a Nokia 6230b prototype. This phone has Edge and
Cingular plans to sell this phone as soon as its released. However don't
confuse the 6230b with the 6230. The 6230 will work on T-mobile's and
At&t's network, but its a 900/1800/1900 phone. The 6230b is a
850/1800/1900 phone. You MUST have 850 for Cingular's Edge network.
Other than that,I don't know of any other phones that support EDGE *AND*
have 850 installed. There may be others I don't know about. There are
however several 900/1800/1900 phones that support EDGE, but again they
will not work on Cingular in most places. I will say that here in D/FW
is an area that Cingular claims Edge isn't up yet,however I'm using EDGE
and I'm seeing speeds between 70-130kps.

Jason Puckett wrote:
> What phones either in use now or to be released shortly, would combine the
> features of the V600 (ie. bluetooth, quad-band, etc...not necessarily a
> camera) with EDGE??
>
> JP
> ATL, GA
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 8, 2004 7:54:00 PM

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My advise would be to stay where you are. Until you can confirm that GSM
is functional where you want to go, stay on the GAIT plan. Here in the
D/FW area, once a customer leaves a GAIT plan they can't get back on it,
and they are stuck with GSM only. However thats not too much of a
problem here in Texas. Cingular is trying to get all customers off of
TDMA and over to GSM.

Jason Puckett wrote:
> What phones either in use now or to be released shortly, would combine the
> features of the V600 (ie. bluetooth, quad-band, etc...not necessarily a
> camera) with EDGE??
>
> JP
> ATL, GA
>
>
>
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Anonymous
June 8, 2004 7:57:35 PM

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Opps, Sorry about that :-)

Randy McLean wrote:
> My advise would be to stay where you are. Until you can confirm that GSM
> is functional where you want to go, stay on the GAIT plan. Here in the
> D/FW area, once a customer leaves a GAIT plan they can't get back on it,
> and they are stuck with GSM only. However thats not too much of a
> problem here in Texas. Cingular is trying to get all customers off of
> TDMA and over to GSM.
>
> Jason Puckett wrote:
>
>> What phones either in use now or to be released shortly, would combine
>> the
>> features of the V600 (ie. bluetooth, quad-band, etc...not necessarily a
>> camera) with EDGE??
>>
>> JP
>> ATL, GA
>>
>>
>>
>
June 9, 2004 1:28:32 AM

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"Randy McLean" <usenetjunk@wo5m.net> wrote in message
news:40C5D803.8000309@wo5m.net...
> Currently I am using a Nokia 6230b prototype. This phone has Edge and
> Cingular plans to sell this phone as soon as its released. However don't
> confuse the 6230b with the 6230. The 6230 will work on T-mobile's and
> At&t's network, but its a 900/1800/1900 phone. The 6230b is a
> 850/1800/1900 phone. You MUST have 850 for Cingular's Edge network.
> Other than that,I don't know of any other phones that support EDGE *AND*
> have 850 installed. There may be others I don't know about. There are
> however several 900/1800/1900 phones that support EDGE, but again they
> will not work on Cingular in most places. I will say that here in D/FW
> is an area that Cingular claims Edge isn't up yet,however I'm using EDGE
> and I'm seeing speeds between 70-130kps.
>

If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try increasing
the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for dial
up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at CW).
Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will likely
increase as well.
Anonymous
June 9, 2004 5:38:42 AM

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>You MUST have 850 for Cingular's Edge network.

Why do you say that? EDGE can be on either the 800 or the 1900MHz systems.

>Other than that,I don't know of any other phones that support EDGE *AND*
>have 850 installed.

Well, the Nokia 6200, the Nokia 6820 (USA Version), the Motorola V600, the
Motorola V400...... Well, you get the idea. There are a lot of them that are
800/1900 and EDGE compatible.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Anonymous
June 9, 2004 5:38:43 AM

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John-

I think you're mistaken in regard to the V400 and V600. I have the V600 and
it is my understanding that these Vxxx series phones support GPRS but NOT
EDGE...Anyone have documentation otherwise?? I know there's been quite a
bit of discussion on this forum regarding what many consider the
"obsolescence" of the V600 due to it's omission of this feature.

BTW, the Vxxx series phones are quad-band and do support the 850MHz band.



JP


"John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
news:20040608213842.16456.00000620@mb-m10.aol.com...
> >You MUST have 850 for Cingular's Edge network.
>
> Why do you say that? EDGE can be on either the 800 or the 1900MHz systems.
>
> >Other than that,I don't know of any other phones that support EDGE *AND*
> >have 850 installed.
>
> Well, the Nokia 6200, the Nokia 6820 (USA Version), the Motorola V600, the
> Motorola V400...... Well, you get the idea. There are a lot of them that
are
> 800/1900 and EDGE compatible.
>
> --
> John S.
> e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Anonymous
June 10, 2004 2:50:30 AM

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:11:36 -0400, "Jason Puckett"
<jasonis@springmail.com> wrote:

>these Vxxx series phones support GPRS but NOT
>EDGE

Yeah, John doesn't usually make these mistakes. Even the very
knowledgeable folks have an off day. ;) 
Anonymous
June 10, 2004 5:42:07 PM

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Chip wrote:
>
> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try increasing
> the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for dial
> up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at CW).
> Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will likely
> increase as well.
>

When I first read your message I thought this modification would at best
give me a 20% increase in speed. I really wasn't expecting all that much
difference. However, after I made the change I nearly fell out of my
chair. As I said before, I was seeing an average speed of 80kbps. Well
now after the change, I am seeing an average speed of 200kbps with peeks
as high and 300kbps. When I first saw the results my first words where
something like "holy c***!!!". I still can't believe I seeing these
speeds. You can view a screen snapshot of the test at
http://www.wo5m.net/home_test.jpg. The strange part is I thought 130kbps
was the theoretical max for EDGE.
Anonymous
June 10, 2004 5:42:08 PM

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"Randy McLean" <usenetjunk@wo5m.net> wrote in message
news:40C8652F.2090205@wo5m.net...
| Chip wrote:
| >
| > If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try
increasing
| > the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for
dial
| > up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at
CW).
| > Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will
likely
| > increase as well.
| >
|
| When I first read your message I thought this modification would at best
| give me a 20% increase in speed. I really wasn't expecting all that much
| difference. However, after I made the change I nearly fell out of my
| chair. As I said before, I was seeing an average speed of 80kbps. Well
| now after the change, I am seeing an average speed of 200kbps with peeks
| as high and 300kbps. When I first saw the results my first words where
| something like "holy c***!!!". I still can't believe I seeing these
| speeds. You can view a screen snapshot of the test at
| http://www.wo5m.net/home_test.jpg. The strange part is I thought 130kbps
| was the theoretical max for EDGE.
|

Anyone have any idea what the optimal RWIN is for GPRS? I get decent
connection speed, but get around 2 sec latency.
Anonymous
June 11, 2004 9:19:11 PM

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>BTW, the Vxxx series phones are quad-band and do support the 850MHz band.
>

Take a quick look at http://www.phonescoop.com. It says -

Modes GSM 800 / GSM 900 / GSM 1800 / GSM 1900

Although you are mis-naming the frequency band, it looks like it covers all 4
bands that are available worldwide - 800/1900 here in the states and 900/1800
in the rest of the world.

800 = 850 - someone just decided somewhere along the way to confuse people and
call 800 850.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Anonymous
June 11, 2004 9:20:11 PM

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>Yeah, John doesn't usually make these mistakes. Even the very
>knowledgeable folks have an off day. ;) 
>

Thanks :-)

But not particularrly caring one way or the other for Motorola, I don't keep up
to date on their specs.

--
John S.
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June 16, 2004 6:18:50 AM

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"Jason Puckett" <jasonis@springmail.com> wrote:
> John-
>
> I think you're mistaken in regard to the V400 and V600. I have the V600
and
> it is my understanding that these Vxxx series phones support GPRS but NOT
> EDGE...Anyone have documentation otherwise?? I know there's been quite a
> bit of discussion on this forum regarding what many consider the
> "obsolescence" of the V600 due to it's omission of this feature.
>
> BTW, the Vxxx series phones are quad-band and do support the 850MHz band.

From what I've heard through the grapevine (from well-connected
friends) ----- most current Motorola GSM/GPRS phones are slated to be
moth-balled this fall with new versions coming out with EDGE and better
cameras. They are hearing September...

---
MD
June 17, 2004 4:10:09 AM

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"Randy McLean" <usenetjunk@wo5m.net> wrote in message
news:40C8652F.2090205@wo5m.net...
> Chip wrote:
> >
> > If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try
increasing
> > the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for
dial
> > up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at
CW).
> > Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will
likely
> > increase as well.
> >
>
> When I first read your message I thought this modification would at best
> give me a 20% increase in speed. I really wasn't expecting all that much
> difference. However, after I made the change I nearly fell out of my
> chair. As I said before, I was seeing an average speed of 80kbps. Well
> now after the change, I am seeing an average speed of 200kbps with peeks
> as high and 300kbps. When I first saw the results my first words where
> something like "holy c***!!!". I still can't believe I seeing these
> speeds. You can view a screen snapshot of the test at
> http://www.wo5m.net/home_test.jpg. The strange part is I thought 130kbps
> was the theoretical max for EDGE.
>
>
Theoretical max for EDGE is 473.6 kbps. This is not a real world value at
this time. A GSM radio has eight TDMA timeslots. Each timeslot could provide
a 59.2 kbps EDGE data pipe under optimal radio link conditions. However,
EDGE terminal devices (handsets, etc.) are now only designed to use 3-4
timeslots (downlink). For example, a Sony Ericsson GC82 PCMCIA EDGE card is
designed to use 4 timeslots in the downlink (base to mobile) and one
timeslot in the uplink (mobile to base). Best case downlink throughput for
the GC82 would be 236.8 kbps.

There is a decent white paper on EDGE at
http://www.ericsson.com/products/white_papers_pdf/edge_... if
you are interested.





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Anonymous
June 17, 2004 9:16:19 PM

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Great! I guess my wife will be getting a V600 in the fall ;o)

JP


"MD" <md@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e6Ozc.1819$w07.443@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Jason Puckett" <jasonis@springmail.com> wrote:
> > John-
> >
> > I think you're mistaken in regard to the V400 and V600. I have the V600
> and
> > it is my understanding that these Vxxx series phones support GPRS but
NOT
> > EDGE...Anyone have documentation otherwise?? I know there's been quite
a
> > bit of discussion on this forum regarding what many consider the
> > "obsolescence" of the V600 due to it's omission of this feature.
> >
> > BTW, the Vxxx series phones are quad-band and do support the 850MHz
band.
>
> From what I've heard through the grapevine (from well-connected
> friends) ----- most current Motorola GSM/GPRS phones are slated to be
> moth-balled this fall with new versions coming out with EDGE and better
> cameras. They are hearing September...
>
> ---
> MD
>
>
Anonymous
July 4, 2004 2:08:18 PM

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"Chip" <chip@invalid.com> wrote in message
>
> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try increasing
> the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for dial
> up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at CW).
> Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will likely
> increase as well.

Can someone help me find the proper registry entry in Windows XP?
Anonymous
July 4, 2004 10:48:32 PM

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======================================================================
* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <jackru$$ell2@notmail.com>
* Newsgroup: alt.cellular.cingular
* Reply to: All; "Ashkon" <ashkon@gmail.com>
* Date: 4 Jul 2004 10:08:18 -0700
* Subj: Re: Cingular EDGE...
======================================================================

A> "Chip" <chip@invalid.com> wrote in message

C>> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try
C>> increasing the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global
C>> registry setting for dial up networking to 53248 (this value is
C>> being tossed around internally at CW). Increasing RWIN will
C>> overcome some latency issues and throughput will likely increase
C>> as well.

A> Can someone help me find the proper registry entry in Windows XP?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\
TcpWindowSize:REG_DWORD or
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\
GlobalMaxTcpWindowSize:REG_DWORD

HTH.
--
Jack
July 5, 2004 7:41:24 PM

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On 4 Jul 2004 10:08:18 -0700, ashkon@gmail.com (Ashkon) wrote:

>"Chip" <chip@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>
>> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try increasing
>> the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for dial
>> up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at CW).
>> Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will likely
>> increase as well.
>
>Can someone help me find the proper registry entry in Windows XP?

Easier way: http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp
Anonymous
August 4, 2004 6:57:06 PM

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In <7rtie0ticq8smkud8cpck4lgj3jq22fb17@4ax.com> on Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:41:24
GMT, Jimmy <NoOneYet@Nowhere.Net> wrote:

>On 4 Jul 2004 10:08:18 -0700, ashkon@gmail.com (Ashkon) wrote:
>
>>"Chip" <chip@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try increasing
>>> the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for dial
>>> up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at CW).
>>> Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will likely
>>> increase as well.

53248 is an appropriate value for that kind of latency with 500 Kbps speed,
and is thus excessive for much slower EDGE, although probably not harmful.
The standard RWIN of 16K bytes in Windows Me/2000/XP is actually sufficient.
Increased RWIN is really only needed for Windows 95/98/NT, which are 8K bytes
by default.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular&gt;
Anonymous
August 4, 2004 7:02:23 PM

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In <7rtie0ticq8smkud8cpck4lgj3jq22fb17@4ax.com> on Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:41:24
GMT, Jimmy <NoOneYet@Nowhere.Net> wrote:

>On 4 Jul 2004 10:08:18 -0700, ashkon@gmail.com (Ashkon) wrote:
>
>>"Chip" <chip@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try increasing
>>> the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for dial
>>> up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally at CW).
>>> Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will likely
>>> increase as well.

53248 (which is actually based on a broadband Urban Myth) is only needed for
that kind of latency with 500 Kbps speed, and is thus excessive for much
slower EDGE, although probably not harmful. The standard RWIN of 16384 bytes
in Windows Me/2000/XP is actually sufficient for EDGE -- increased RWIN is
really only needed for Windows 95/98/NT, which are 8192 bytes by default. For
UMTS (now deployed in 4 cities by ATTWS), the appropriate value is 32768
bytes, needed in all versions of Windows.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular&gt;
August 5, 2004 2:40:25 AM

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"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <7rtie0ticq8smkud8cpck4lgj3jq22fb17@4ax.com> on Mon, 05 Jul 2004
15:41:24
> GMT, Jimmy <NoOneYet@Nowhere.Net> wrote:
>
> >On 4 Jul 2004 10:08:18 -0700, ashkon@gmail.com (Ashkon) wrote:
> >
> >>"Chip" <chip@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try
increasing
> >>> the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for
dial
> >>> up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally
at CW).
> >>> Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will
likely
> >>> increase as well.
>
> 53248 is an appropriate value for that kind of latency with 500 Kbps
speed,
> and is thus excessive for much slower EDGE, although probably not harmful.
> The standard RWIN of 16K bytes in Windows Me/2000/XP is actually
sufficient.
> Increased RWIN is really only needed for Windows 95/98/NT, which are 8K
bytes
> by default.


I won't argue that. However, the following may be of interest to current
Cingular EDGE - Sony Ericsson GC82 users:

As I understand it, the Data Connect product and drivers, previously offered
with the Sony-Ericsson GC82 EDGE PC card were apparently not tuned for
optimal throughput. Cingular has released a version of CCM (Cingular
Connection Manager) that includes optimized settings and drivers for the
GC82. It is available as a free download at Cingular's website. See the link
at:
http://www.cingular.com/business/connection_manager

Current GC82 - Data Connect users should also read and follow the guidance
at the following link:

http://www.cingular.com/download/Data_Connect_Uninstall...

I honestly don't know what treatment (if any) was applied to RWIN settings
in the CCM update.
Anonymous
August 6, 2004 10:07:57 AM

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just a test

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> ???????/???????? ? ????????
?????????: news:3U6Qc.5626$54.90931@typhoon.sonic.net...
> In <7rtie0ticq8smkud8cpck4lgj3jq22fb17@4ax.com> on Mon, 05 Jul 2004
15:41:24
> GMT, Jimmy <NoOneYet@Nowhere.Net> wrote:
>
> >On 4 Jul 2004 10:08:18 -0700, ashkon@gmail.com (Ashkon) wrote:
> >
> >>"Chip" <chip@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>> If you are using the EDGE connection to connect your laptop, try
increasing
> >>> the Windows RWIN (TCP Receive Window Size) global registry setting for
dial
> >>> up networking to 53248 (this value is being tossed around internally
at CW).
> >>> Increasing RWIN will overcome some latency issues and throughput will
likely
> >>> increase as well.
>
> 53248 (which is actually based on a broadband Urban Myth) is only needed
for
> that kind of latency with 500 Kbps speed, and is thus excessive for much
> slower EDGE, although probably not harmful. The standard RWIN of 16384
bytes
> in Windows Me/2000/XP is actually sufficient for EDGE -- increased RWIN is
> really only needed for Windows 95/98/NT, which are 8192 bytes by default.
For
> UMTS (now deployed in 4 cities by ATTWS), the appropriate value is 32768
> bytes, needed in all versions of Windows.
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular&gt;
Anonymous
August 6, 2004 10:07:58 AM

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In <65614$4112e812$40694c09$12681@msgid.meganewsservers.com> on Fri, 6 Aug
2004 06:07:57 +0400, "Ashot Shahbazian" <tyrebusters(at)covad(dot)net> wrote:

>just a test

Your test failed: Your post showed up here, instead of a test newsgroup.
Your newsreader appears to be posting to the wrong group.

In the future please use a test newsgroup (e.g., alt.test, comp.test,
microsoft.public.test, misc.test, rec.test, regional test newsgroup, test
newsgroup set up by your ISP) -- that's what they are there for. Thanks for
your consideration.

--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/&gt;
Anonymous
August 7, 2004 2:34:54 PM

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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:23:03 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
>In <65614$4112e812$40694c09$12681@msgid.meganewsservers.com> on Fri, 6 Aug
>2004 06:07:57 +0400, "Ashot Shahbazian" <tyrebusters(at)covad(dot)net> wrote:
>
>>just a test
>
>Your test failed: Your post showed up here, instead of a test newsgroup.
>Your newsreader appears to be posting to the wrong group.
>
>In the future please use a test newsgroup (e.g., alt.test, comp.test,
>microsoft.public.test, misc.test, rec.test, regional test newsgroup, test
>newsgroup set up by your ISP) -- that's what they are there for. Thanks for
>your consideration.
!