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On a sunny day (Mon, 17 May 2004 17:16:46 -0400) it happened "Morrmar"
<morrmar@myway.com-no spam> wrote in
<QS9qc.13431$yF6.5860@bignews5.bellsouth.net>:
>
>> I can't speak to European DTV, but the DirecTv that is provided
>> to the USA is not totally DVD compliant. So far, the "Digital" part
>> is not easily available to a consumer. Even the "Linux" based "TY
>> Files" that are placed on a "DirecTiVo" unit's hard drive, which are
>> basically just the digital satellite signal and are MPEG in nature,
>are
>> not DVD compliant, as I understand it.
>
>Dish Network is exactly the same. The signal is mpeg'd in some weird
>format that is totally unusable in it's native form and is unavailable
>to the end user.
>
>> For now at least, the "Digital MPEG" satellite signal must be
>> "decoded" into an analog signal, before it is available to the user.
>> (There are hardware and software "hacks" but not for many of
>> the satellite boxes in use, including the "DirecTiVo units.)
>
>I think even with the Tivo hacks, the raw mpeg data is not available to
>the end user. Even if it was, it would still have to be re-encoded to
>DVD format to be burnable so you're still going to have to re-encode.
>
>> This isn't as bad as you might think, as the analog signal provided
>> is consistently of a very high quality and makes for very good
>> captures direct to MPEG.
>
>Absolutely. I have seen no info on any built in filters for the Hauppage
>or any other video capture cards in the consumer range for that matter.
>They're simply not needed for satellite transmissions. The disadvantage
>of using the Hauppauge cards is the data is automatically mpeg'd so
>anything beyond basic slice and dice editing available with Womble or
>other MPEG editors is exceedingly difficult. The advantage of using the
>Hauppage cards is if the computer being used is underpowered or has
>limitied disk space, then the hardware encoder takes the processing
>strain off the processor and automatically encoding to mpeg saves disk
>space.
>
>Jan's comprende' comment aside, I always capture uncompressed Huffy avi
>to my hd, edit/manipulate with Premier Pro and encode in dual pass vbr
>mode with ProCoder. I'm exceedingly happy with the results. Nothing like
>adding video/audio fades, crawling/rolling titles and adding my own
>commercials before encoding to DVD's for viewing. <g>
No offence ment.
I write my own subs, and add these, with effects if needed, to the digital
mpeg2, but in such a case I demultiplex (to mpv es).
http://ip51cf87c4.direct-adsl.nl/panteltje/subtitles/
In fact I made many many DivX 720x576 CDR in the past from the sat stream.
Womble should work OK on the video stream, but the version I tried
lost AV sync on the mpeg2 pes (av bitrate problem?), no prob, I process
sound separately, decode the mp2 here, make multichannel multiple languages
(in sync !) and add subtitles and for that recode to AC3 if more then just
2 channels.
See also the link to my DVD page from there.
For the US stuff... I have not done it, cannot get it here, but
NTSC or PAL pes should both work.
I have feedback from the states from people using the stuff I wrote that
it works there too, so I believe that.
JP