Today at work i had a couple come in and haggle on everything. I told them the prices are set, we are non-commission there was nothing i could do for them....they continued to try to get me to drop prices on things....for a $128 tv...how cheap can you be?
Just after this insane couple, literally 15sec later, wanted to buy a 50" plasma and $350 home theater system...a basic 5.1 but not bad. They wanted us to throw in a free Harmoney remote ($250) free cables for everthing ($250-$300) free service plan ($399) and free install ($199)....they actually said "We are buying $4,000 worth of stuff from you, i think we are entitled to some free stuff." Yeah maybe a free dvd, not $1200....we dont even make that in proft from what they bought...we made maybe 300bucks profit and they want $1200 in discounts?
WHy are people so GOD DAMN STUPID AND CHEAP?!? maybe wuzy can explain to me these peoples logic because i dont understand any of these hagglers.....yes a flea market or someplace else maybe. but after i tell you our compnay doesn't haggle....WHY KEEP DOING IT?!?
btw if any of you can make it to my store and want to buy a 50" plasma i will give you the hidden discount that nobody knows about and get your $1200 worth of stuff for free...i was witholding it on them, but for people i like i will hook them up
You charge $200 for installing a plasma with a home theater system? Does that include hanging it on a wall or something? Don't talk about your insane customers if you charge people $200 for installing it, even if it covers transportation. That's insane. And anyone buying that from you is insane too.
199.99 covers the full wallmount for the plasma, connection of the tv to the receiver, dvd player, and dvd player to receiver....bascially hooking evertying together, and then they sit down with you for an hour and explain how to use yor new system...which remote for what task, how to add new things to the system, they setup your aspect ratio, they configure the display settings to your liking.....If you have a harmony they will configure that for you, which is tedious for first timers but the instal guys can do it in about 10min instead of 2-10 hours for people doing it slowly on their own.
its not something i am going to do, and maybe not you....but there are a lot of people who have no idea they can't get HD through a shitty piece of coax......let alone try to figure out where all 15 cables go. It's especially nice for people who are wall mounting because that is a 2 person job min. and sometimes they dont have a 2nd person to help. Wall mounting a 125lb $3500 tv is not easy.
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LOL!
That's a funny story.
Why do people haggle? Why do people have ass-sex in public toilets? Why, oh why, do dogs like human beings so much? Why wont Liz Hurley have sex with me at her house???
With hagglers, I like to value-add to the sale by suggesting to them that if they buy the package a certain way - finance it differently, for example - then I'll throw in yada, yada. In truth, they get nothing for free because we cover our costs through the finance but there are multiple ways to deal with cash or haggling like people.
One way is to say: "Pal, this is America, if you want your brand-name rip offs then head over to Laos, buy the shite at the markets there, fly it back over and then you'll see your focking discount!!! you, haggler, ya'!"
i dont mind people asking....but being persistant about it in the face of me not waivering at all is amazing.
I never haggle, i never offer more then they actually need, i dont sell things that arn't good value, and i never lie....PERIOD.
A lot of people like that i will tell them not to buy a $9,000 plasma and to buy a $3,700 one....or that i talk them out of buying a stupid $200 DVD player and get a $56 one....
If someone asks me if i can throw in anything extra, i offer a hug. If they want more i tell them they are out of luck....you have to buy me dinner to get more then a hug.
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Waiting for Wingy to make pickxx an offer.
I'll go with the hug thing.
i'll give you a hug, i am a quality hugger...
I also play rock/paper/sissors with the customers randomly....i am 14-0 with them so far. the only time i was beaten was one of my bosses....i am 20-1 overall.
yes, i get bored at work sometimes...lol
You actually like what you do? What's the next step for you, if you don't mind me asking? I just think it's critically important to do something that you find personally rewarding.
I love selling tv's and stuff to people....i get to joke around, be silly, and talk about nerdish stuff all day.
the only down side is some of the stupid rules....shoes should be a solid dark color. I wore my adidas shelltoed oldschool ones (the all black with white stripes) for almost 2 months and then two days ago got talked to about not wearing proper footwear....because apparently i sell better with dress shoes on
I dont really know where i am going....i have a couple long term goals but right now i am trying to get my feet on the ground and headed in the right direction.
Frankly i would rather make 25k a year being happy then 100K being miserable....
Can't disagree with you there. The retail market though tends not to offer great career prospects, or big bucks. But you might not like the idea of selling bigger ticket items for a large corporation (such as Xerox, for example). There's a touch of the corporate whore about those jobs.
Its very true, working for BestBuy isn't a carrer for me because it lacks the pay to do so. If i got paid 25K a year with beefits i wouldn't mind doing it for a long time....its not bad at all. I learn a lot everyday and its fun and always changes.
I am kind of roaming around right now trying to find something that suits me....I wish i worked in commission sales, not so i could screw people, but more so because i would be honest and people love it. They would come back to me and i would know my hard work would pay off in the end because people would seek me out to buy specifically from me because i would treat them right.....my dad has a car guy who he finds every 3 years because he is exctly what my dad wants."
Who knows where i will end up? i like a lot of things....i love cooking, i love sales, i love teaching, i love physical labor jobs, i learn quickly so i can usually move up pretty quickly.
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You work for Best Buy? Stupid place to work. I worked there back in the day and they're a bunch of cheap bastards. We were the #1 cellular section in the nation out of over 300 stores and all they could muster was a 10 cent raise. I obviously moved on but one of the other people in that dept now runs that store so good for him. Supervisors now make $50K which ain't half bad but the clientele isn't worth dealing with. I once saw a guy crush a bunch of cd's in his hands because he couldn't return them and then try to throw them at me.
As far as haggling, many cultures - if not most -, consider haggling to be normal and it's almost disrespectful not to haggle. You need to learn how to play the game. I'm not that great but I do haggle when I can and it saved me about $1500 the other day when I was getting that ironwork done. It's actually kind of fun to haggle. Unless you're dealing with a pro. That can be brutal.
If they are asking for a lot of discounts then either you aren't standing your ground and telling them NO in a way they can understand or you offered them a discount of some sort and they know it's possible. Once you offered a discount and show people it's possible they'll hound you if they know what they're doing. Why? Because it works. If you had two people ask for discounts in a row then someone there must have shown them it's possible. Either that or they were just screwing with you. Nobody is going to waste time on haggling if they know it's never going to happen.
Oh, and commission sales are the way to go. Seriously. It's a lot more fun and the pay is a lot more.
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I see haggling everyday...its nothing new but these two groups back to back was out of this world.
I told the first guy..."sir we are best buy, we dont haggle...this is the price for this tv. I'm sorry but i can't lower that price. Period" i said that exact thing about 75 times....alright probably 5.
the 2nd group i told them we dont do charity cases, we dont throw free stuff or discount like that....and towards the end i told them (after the comment about dropping 4k they need some freebies.) i told them that if they bought 10k worth of stuff they would get NOTHING for free, 4k is nothing and if they didn't like it...leave. that's pretty clear....they stayed for another 45min haggling.
Where were these people from?
the first group were asian....the woman spoke VERY well...the guy spoke almost no english. I wrote off there initial haggling to asian culture differences and i know some asian cultures haggle for everything and like you said...its rude not to.
the 2nd group were from the area....no accents, they had a seattle address....and they were insane with demands....and mean about it too...
You are lucky, the asian that posts here would have just taken what they wanted, try to explain that one away at work!
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he might have been there.....some focker took a $2,000 HD handicam at like 1:30 and then about 6 we found some packaging for a digital camera ($800) cut open and hidden.....
*nods*
I used to have a business card that had the only one word printed on it. NO. When asked for discount I would explain that was the final price, if they persisted I would get out the card. Everyone likes to haggle but my method threw them right of track. When they see the printed word it has a greater effect on them, they are now thinking about the card, not about a discount. They are now easier for you to control. If they persist, explain that it says NO when they understand that we can turn it upside down and the deal will be ON. Then walk away, you never get far before they see it your way..
Discount culture got so out of control at a place I once worked. I just couldn't understand how I could sort out £35000 -£40000 in sales over the weekend with a 0.5-1% discount and the rest of the jokers could only manage £12000 - £30000 with discounts in the 3-5% area. The freebies I gave were always of large margin items. Cables cost our company £0.49 they sold at £9.99, so the freebie has a minimal effect on the margin for the whole deal, but customer still sees £9.99 for free. Our pay structure was altered to reflect your overall margin, I made more they struggled to make anything over their basic pay. I would also talk victim..ER customers into buying lower ticket items, if the overall margin was better for me. I also agree with bomber on the finance issue, we were on a killer for that. The extended cover deals were so margin rich you could also give plenty of stuff in order to close one, but why do it? If you had sold the deal properly you wouldn't be needing to give stuff away.
Some of the people I have worked with in the past would have difficulty selling beer from behind a bar.
Your NO card is ingenious. What I would do is offer accessories as well that cost almost nothing but had a high percieved value to the customer. I used to keep a few hundred of a certain item in my store that I would give away that had a retail value of $15 but a cost of $2. No bother to me but if I gave away 4 of them customers felt like I was taking care of them. The best part was that the item was something I kinda found in the warehouse that we had stopped selling but had an overstock of. That meant that no other managers were fighting to keep stock of these in their store. If you have a central warehouse database that you're pulling stock from it's always a good idea to figure out how to find stuff in it since odds are you'll be one of the only people doing that.
Never ever, if you can avoid it, discount the item when you can give something away that costs you less but still feels like a deal to the customer.
The other thing that really helps is selling those accessories. Sometimes a single accessory can bump your margin up enough if your pay scale requires it.
I kept my margins high and my percent to retail in the high 90's. That's the way you make money.
Sales on that level is all about margin. I have seen too many people look at their sales total and give themselves a pat on the back when all they have done is commit the cardinal sin. Never sell the loss leader. It's there just to bring in the victim...ER customers. Building up the sale is also important, as you say, it will usually bump up the margin. The NO card just came to me one day. I was having difficulty getting a customer to understand the word NO, so I wrote it down for him on a sheet of A4 paper and walked away. I never got far when he called me back, apologised and took my offer. I just refined it a little and always kept the cards with me whilst at work. Some of the other staff tried the same stunt and got nowhere, this just illustrates how people buy people, not the offer.They also come in handy at times in the pub when some clown is insisting it's your round.
In europe, you can sometimes get up to 20% discount for electronics if you haggle. And different TV, magazine, etc. tests have shown that, if you know how, you sould always haggle.
I remeber a german TV magazine where a professional haggler got some crazy deals on <i>everything</i>, including on sale items.
...*whoops to the resourceful, tightarse snorkius*...
The computer I'm currently using I bought from Wal-Mart. It's a Compaq that was returned and it wasn't even in its original box. They had placed the computer and the monitor in separate plain brown cardboard boxes. I also noticed there were no other computers on the shelf like this one. The marked price on one of the cardboard boxes was discounted $100.00 to $399.00.
The computer is a Presario S6020WM with a Celeron 2.6 GHZ CPU. Not happy with only a $100.00 discount I summoned the eletronics department manager and asked for a greater discount. She said that she would offer another 20% discount but that was the most she was authorised to discount. Still not persuaded to buy at that price she told me that the store manager might be willing to discount it further. When the store manager arrived I explaned that I considered the computer to be used since it had not been returneded to the factory for reconditioning. I also voiced concernes about posssible virus and spyware infections on the hard drive, he also confirmed my suspicion that it was a discontinued model. I asked what he thought the rock bottom price should be and was suprisingly pleased when he responded " $250.00 ". I immediately agreed to the price happy that I had a decent computer at a price I could afford.
I know this is vastly different than what you're describing but I thought it interesting that Wal-Mart empowered department managers to offer up to a 20% discount.
Well yeah my manager COULD discount if i asked her, but i know she wont discount a $168 tv. We are making almost no money on it anyway, so why would we lose money on a sale?
Hey, if you are in a used car lot, flea market, or someplace you CAN haggle.....do it and get asuper deal. It would be like walking into 7-11 and haggling over some gum, you can try but they arn't going to give you a deal.
Anything can be discounted. That $168 TV is making zero dollars on the shelf while even a $15 profit is better than nothing on a bad day. Now Best Buy isn't a discount type store but I did see it done a few times. Especially on open box items.
7-11 or the supermarket is a different thing altogether and even in countries where you haggle you don't haggle there. Dept stores and markets are places where you get your baseline.
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Although I still find that $200 installation fee outrageous, I think I like pickxx's style better than yours. I can see where it helps in making you successful but as a customer I prefer straight and honest information on a product I want to buy, I'm not interested in increasing your margins. In the long run, pickxx would sell more stuf to me than you would, but I can see it working on many "victims" as you like to refer to your customers.
Of course there is a big difference if you deal with customers on a one time basis only. I prefer longer term relationships with sales people that are more geared towards win-win situations.
When you get bored of selling beds, I think you'd make an excellent car salesman. Much better margins too (I think).
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Although I still find that $200 installation fee outrageous, I think I like pickxx's style better than yours. I can see where it helps in making you successful but as a customer I prefer straight and honest information on a product I want to buy, I'm not interested in increasing your margins. In the long run, pickxx would sell more stuf to me than you would, but I can see it working on many "victims" as you like to refer to your customers.
Of course there is a big difference if you deal with customers on a one time basis only. I prefer longer term relationships with sales people that are more geared towards win-win situations.
When you get bored of selling beds, I think you'd make an excellent car salesman. Much better margins too (I think).
Mac. why are Big Macs $3.50 Aus? Why are trannys so irresistable to certain type of men? WHy cant I come to Amsterdam for a 5 day Ecstasy party? And lets just say I do manage to come; would you have the nuts to meet me in a Bong Smokers Cafe at the tender age of 40 odd? What if I the portal to this world wasn't owned by a God? Who cares about threesomes?
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Who the f[u][/u]uck do you think I am? A f[u][/u]ucking oracle? Or am I missing a point somewhere that i need to be really drunk for to understand?
j/k need to get rid of some negative energy at work
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I'm SUPER DRUNK|!!|!!
Reaylly.
I mean, I'm bombed senseless and talking here ...*** No boozer is open after 11 on a Wednesday*...
Mac, have you ever self-invited yourself to an Amersterdam Ecstasy GangBang? Bud, JUST DO IT!, as the prominent Corporation slogan goes.
I've lived and worked in Amsterdam for 5 years, when I was in my twenties. Do I need to say more?
Yes, you could give us some lurid details. And don't miss anything out.
I agree with RobD on this one!!!!!!!!
Actually, I feel kind of insulted that you haven't shared more already. Asswipe! :x
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A BIG fockin oath you do, my friend. You dont just piss a 'yeah, I've done some crazy shite in my life' and not back it up.
Your manhood is in question until you share the dirty details.
And YOUR manhood is definitely in question Mr I'm going to go to blue hair land instead of amazing lbfm land.
At least anything female in Florida doesn't have a 5 o'clock shadow and takes a piss standing up, unlike your conquests in Thailand, mister.....
Is this coming from the guy who banged some Floridian so hard that her colonoscopy bag burst? 8O
Rumor has it that the leakage went all over her box and you proceded to eat her out.
Careful, you'll get Wingy all excited with that.
You two aren't competing for the same women are you?
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OUtrageous!!!
No, I like mine with a pulse, he likes them 6 foot under.
I smell dead flesh....
...*digs furiously*....
Here, this should help you get laid quicker...
...*throws Wingy keys to nearby parked JCB*...
...*dry humps JCB*...
Damn, you really ARE horny.
...*sings Dud and Pete's "He's Got The Horn"*...
You sound more like Chesney Hawkes [/just plain cruel]
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