FarCry: Am I cheesed off or what!???

Just bought far cry and as I expected, its a phenominal game. I do have a MAJOR issue however, and that is the fact that you cannot have CloneCD, Alcohol 120% or Deamon tools installed as it detects it defore running and asks you to disable it...well, disabling the software & the virtual drives doesnt work. I spoke to UbiSoft help who advised me the only way to get the game running was to completely uninstall them!

excuse the shouting and raving but...HOW DARE UBISOFT/CRYTEK DICTATE WHAT SOFTWARE I CAN AND CANNOT USE IN MY OWN F'ING MACHINE? not only has it p!ssed me off but it is also bad for the developers of the cd burning software as UBI/Crytek are forcing users of legitimate software to uninstall it based on what some people may do with it! Are they saying every person with this software is some master pirate who will imediatley ditribute copies all ovr the damn world? what they are in fact doing is calling everyone who uses this software thieves! I am inclined to D/L a copy from the net and take the original back just to spite them!! I even told UBIsoft that - to which the response was a bit "erm well your not really allowed to do that" "we have not had much feedback on this yet so there isnt much we can do about it" - - Charming its like buying a car stereo but you find out that you cant listen to fast paced music because it "might" make you drive fast, HELLO? thats up to us to decide!

Sigh! <breathe!> Sorry to rant on but Doesnt anyone think that this is completely out of order?

All views welcome no flaming please....

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  1. This seems to be a new trend in the US. I understand the Euro editions etc don't have this restriction. I think Dues Ex Invisible War (the US version) had the same problem.

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  2. If they are willing to give you a full refund on the game, I would not like the fact that the game will not install with alcohol 120%, etc but I would argue that they do a have a right to do it. CloneCD and alcohol 120% do, after all, allow you to defeat copy protection in all sorts of exciting and interesting ways.

    If they are not willing to give you a refund - they are bastards. F*ck them.

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  3. He lives in the UK.

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  4. I also just installed FarCry, and have Daemon Tools 3.44 and CloneCD installed, and didn't have ANY issues.

    Maybe I was just lucky??

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  5. Do you know what protection the game is using? The reason I ask is I haven't heard too much about "blacklisting" lately.

    A while ago (about a year) it was big news that one of the copy protection schemes (SecureROM, I think, and I don't remember the revision number) was blacklisting machines that had CloneCD and/or Daemon Tools. The way I recall it the protection was causing such big problems with general CD-ROM compatibility that game manufacturers had to issue updates without the protection. Later releases had different or revised protection.

    I thought manufacturers gave up on blacklisting. Anyway, it's been a while since I heard about it so I was curious.

    My Burner was never very good at "backing up" games and since I'm not a hardcore gamer i just stopped following the subject.

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  6. Man, that crap totally sucks. I dont know what game creators are worried about, even with people wanting to make( BACKUP copies ) of THIER OWN game incase it gets scratched, should make a difference. I mean they make enough money as it is. A crap load of people are still going to buy the damn games.
    I have all three of those programs installed and my game installed fine. Allthough i have no clue how to use them correctly to make (BACKUPS).
    Does anyone know a good TUT. i could use to understand how to use them. That explains in detail how to do it from start?
    Anyhoo, dude, i agree with you 110%

    Remember when games used to be 1 disc?

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  7. Hmmm, it seems that not everone has this problem. I am based in UK using DVD version, XP Pro SP1. Bit of a bummer. According to ClonyXXL the game uses Safe Disc v2.

    I'd be iterested to know what versions of said applications people have installed and on what system.

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  8. Don't blame the developers, blame all the people who think it's okay to pirate games off the internet and elsewhere.
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    Don't blame the developers, blame all the people who think it's okay to pirate games off the internet and elsewhere.


    Agreed! First intelligent post I've heard all day. :smile:

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  10. Damn, I just realized you said the game is a DVD. Why didn't the manufacturer use simple protection, avoid blacklisting, and write a dual layer disc? Nobody can copy these yet, no dual layer burners. By the time dual layer burners are commonly available the game would be old. Manufscturers could protect their game and not piss off customers (well maybe some customers).

    Just looking at the forums at CDFreaks.com. Someone said his Far Cry disc uses Safedisc 3.20.022. I don't see any blacklist posts. In fact, one person even claims a successful backup.

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  11. no way, copy protection is one thing, but refusing to install because of another program thats on your computer? i can understand if its because of compatibility issues, but not because of what you MIGHT do with them. thats just absured.

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  12. This is true. It just sucks that it has to be done at all. It ruins it for us that are sincere in only making a backup for oursleves.
    For instance i bought a game once and broke the cd, tried calling and getting a replacement( 2 weeks after i bought it)Ubisoft bought out The company and the game no longer exists. Cant find it anywhere, not even Ebay.
    Anyhoo, it is a shame that some rotten apples have to spoil it for everyone.

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    Don't blame the developers, blame all the people who think it's okay to pirate games off the internet and elsewhere.


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    I can understand the desire to defend against piracy which is understandable but there are other ways of doing it without discrimination against other products. Dual layer as an example! like phsstpok said, there are other ways of doing it.

    in reply to the successful back-up claims, as far as I can make out the game (my version at least) uses safeDisc 2.

    By the way Im not sure i made myself entirely clear at the beginning, the game installs ok with said apps install, just wont run (telling you to get rid of them)

    I have since re-installed alchohol and deamon tools since running the game and there now appears to be no real issue that I can detect...may be it only does it on first run??? Still anoying but hey there is more to life!

    What do people think of the game? anyone tried to cool rendering options like carton etc?? (may be limited to Radeons - not sure)



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  14. just got farcry, same thing... had to uninstall clone cd... its a bit of a disgrace really as it accomplishes nothing and i cant understand the reason behind it. on the other hand the game is bloody good

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  15. Far Cry is amazing, the most beautiful graphics to date, i'm stunned.

    Someone mentioned Deus Ex 2 having that problem, which i've seen in action for my friend who DID have Clone CD but uninstalled it, but DE2 still refused to install anyway, I had to clean out his registry which is always a pain in the a$$.
  16. I agree that this type of "copy protection" is absurd. If it was a compatibility issue with the program then its understandable but refusing to co-exist with another program because of it's purpose is disgusting. Nevertheless, if you are so bent on keeping CD Clone, why not try and create a dual boot system. If you have Windows XP why not set that a big partition and then install another OS like Windows 2000 and allocate a small partition small enough to cater for clone cd's needs. Surely FarCry should not be able to detect the Clone CD if its within another operating system/partition. Failing that, surely you could hide the partition with clone cd on it so that it cant be accessed within Windows XP but it can if you boot into Windows 2000 (or whatever OS u choose to install)

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  17. i managed to install myne with alcohol 120% running?

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  18. its more of a principle thing.... reinstalling clonecd to use when not playing farcry is no biggy... i gotta wonder what idiot thought it would be a good idea tho.... i mean all clone cd or alcohol does is emulate a cd drive... sooo assuming u have a pirated cd/dvd image then all u need do is burn it, install the game and crack it.... rendering farcry's anti clone cd/alcohol policy useless... it just doesnt make sense....

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  19. I had a similar issue with an expansion to NWN, but a clean reboot did the job... is CloneCD running in the background... stop all those unneccessary programs running in the background... then reboot... Hmmmmmm... well, it is worth a try...

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  20. I agree with you. For all my other software, the first thing I do is make a copy and use it, putting the orginal away, nice and safe so it doesn't get scratched. I also like the idea of putting the cd as a virtual drive on the harddrive. Why don't they do something like allow One burned copy and one virtual drive copy. I guess it is easier (in my opinion) to use "strong-arm" tactics. Sorry if my previous wording offended anybody.
    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mrmonsoon on 05/06/04 01:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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    I guess it is easier to use "Nazi" tactics-Cryteck is a German company-makes you think!

    I'm not a German but I find this remark totally uncalled for. Clearly you have no clear concept of what a Nazi really was/is, so you should refrain from using such offensive language. Btw, you are not the first one to use Nazi terminology in this context (and in this thread) but you are the first to link it to a specific company and to correlate it with the location of the company. That combination makes it go over the line of decency. (Just thought that to add that last bit will help you understand why I pick on you and not the others).

    To all of you who are complaining, I would suggest the following. Take the issue up directly with the publisher of the game: UbiSoft. They are responsible for the choices made in this regard, and for those of you interested in that kind of thing, UbiSoft is a French company, not a German one. If they do not listen to you, I advise you to stay away from future UbiSoft software until they do listen. You may miss out on some great games but if enough people are bothered by it and react in this way, they will mend their ways (or miss out on a substantial amount of revenues). Of course there is the possibility that you are a minority and will have to accept this copy protection measure as an accepted business practice.

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    Why don't they do something like allow One burned copy and one virtual drive copy.

    Consider yourself invited to come up with a technical solution that will realize this, is (well) protected against piracy itself, and cost effective (which should not be too hard if it is a really protected method). If you find the solution, be sure to sell it to the publishers so you can make a load of money out of it and please remember us here and drop us a note you did it :smile:


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  22. "I'm not a German but I find this remark totally uncalled for. Clearly you have no clear concept of what a Nazi really was/is, so you should refrain from using such offensive language."

    take a deep breath.... now relax and realise that complaining about the above phrase makes u look stupid. It's highly unlikely you were around when they were so they don't affect u and never have, they are old news.... now stop being so P.C. live a little and say a few bad words every now and then, u will feel better :)

    god im bored....

    "Its only when you look at ants closely with a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames"<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by wolfy on 05/04/04 04:08 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
  23. I am sorry if I offended you, It was not intended. This post is intended as a responce and not a flame. I am very upset at their tactics-yes I know, show it with my dollars. The comment was just a knee-jerk reaction to the situation. Upon seeing it was a German company.... I admit, I had a childish reaction.
    That said, I do see (in my opinion!) a correlation, let me explain. From what I have read, no I did not live under Nazi brutial opression-did you?), they told you what you could do, when you could do it and where you could do it, among other things. The results of disobeying could be jail or worse. Here in the USA, being convicted of "Illegal copying" or circumventing their "antipiracy protection" by using a virtual drive or making a copy could have very real financial and federal jail time concequences. This comes into play when using virtual drive software and making a backup copy-to save the orginial. Do I hate my country-NO!!! I love my country and when I feel unjust things are happening, I feel the need to speakout and try to have them changed legally. If enough people get upset ( one way or the other) the issue will be discussed by the population at large and then by poliltions. Then real change may occur.
    Let me finish by apologizing to anyone who was personally offened by my opinion and please remember I was stating/venting my personal opinion not making a statement of fact. In the future I will try to make it very clear when I am stating my personal opinion as well as leaving the political science discussions for other, approciate forums.
    As for how to allow one copy and use virtual drives while preventing piracy, I am not a programmer and don't claim to be. If they can create such a great game with stunning graphics then I think they should be able to do that. When one considers that huge sum of money they will make selling this game, it seems that would be reasonable.
    Thank you Wolfy.
    Bigmac, this is Americia and even though I don't agree with what you said, I will fight to my last breath for your right to say what you feel-this is one of the things that makes Americia great.


    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mrmonsoon on 05/04/04 12:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  24. It must be something in the system your trying to install it on, because I have CloneCD installed, and never had any problems installing or running FarCry or Dues Ex 2.

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  25. dont worry about bigmac, it that time of month for him, he ran out of change in his couch for mcdonalds money.


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    god im bored....


    That's obvious.


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  27. Thanks for bothering to reply.

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    I am sorry if I offended you, It was not intended. This post is intended as a responce and not a flame. I am very upset at their tactics-yes I know, show it with my dollars. The comment was just a knee-jerk reaction to the situation. Upon seeing it was a German company.... I admit, I had a childish reaction.

    I'm not an overzealous politically correct person (imo, but I leave it up to others to be the judge of that) and if you should apologize to anyone it should be to CryTech and not to me. It's just that if you call a specific identity (person or company) a Nazi, you better have some serious proof of that. Just to call someone a Nazi because they do something you don't like and that someone happens to be a german, is offensive. My guess is you would find it offensive if I would start referring to you as a KluxKlux clan member. Well enough said, I made my point already.

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    That said, I do see (in my opinion!) a correlation, let me explain.

    The reason why I'm replying...

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    From what I have read, no I did not live under Nazi brutial opression-did you?), they told you what you could do, when you could do it and where you could do it, among other things. The results of disobeying could be jail or worse. Here in the USA, being convicted of "Illegal copying" or circumventing their "antipiracy protection" by using a virtual drive or making a copy could have very real financial and federal jail time concequences. This comes into play when using virtual drive software and making a backup copy-to save the orginial.

    My parents lived through Nazi occupation. Now that does not make me overly sensitive to Nazi sentiments in itself but it does help to learn about what the problems are with the underlying philosophy and from that derived politics.

    The issue is not a state that tells you what to do, and when and where to do it. All states do this, and it's called the law which states what your rights and obligations are towards society. Totalitarian regimes overstress the obligations and disregards rights, democracies tend to focus more on rights. The Nazi regime was totalitarian, but there are many more and that is not the essence of national socialism. It was based on discrimination, the gloryfying of the arian race and the discrimination of other groups of humans to the extent of planning and executing complete extermination of these groups.

    This as opposed to the modern democratic states (as led the way by France, instigated by the french revolution and soon after the declaration of independence of the US) which adhere to the basic assumptions that all individuals have equal rights and obligations.

    I hope this illustrates why the correlation you seem to see, does not hold at all.

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    Bigmac, this is Americia and even though I don't agree with what you said, I will fight to my last breath for your right to say what you feel-this is one of the things that makes Americia great.

    Well, let me know whether we are more in agreement now :smile: The freedom of speech is just as dear to me as it seems to be to you, and that freedom of speech is not limited to America, it extends to all free democracies in the world.


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    dont worry about bigmac, it that time of month for him

    Every once in a while some McDonalds noob puts ketchup on my BigMac. It gets me all grumpy for the day, man.


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  29. Clearly you have taken this too much too heart, if I didn't know any better, I would say you work for them (UBI/Crytech) or just live in Germany (nothing wrong with either). I am sorry your parents had to live through that-really!, I am sure the reality of living through that was much worse than could be described in any text.
    Where as my comments were directed at the company(s) and the issues involved, yours are personal attacks at me (though I am not offended, do you see the difference). In competition debating, when one side moves from the topic(s) at hand to the other debater, the debate is considered over, as that person is considered to not be able to counter the issues, so moves to personal attacks.
    As for France they are a socialist government (nothing wrong with that, they voted to be that way), as opposed to a true democaracy. For that matter, the USA is not a true democaracy, we are a democratic republic. In a true democracy, everyone votes for everything, in a democratic republic, we vote for our leader, who vote for what we want (in theory).
    It seems to me, freedom of speech includes being able to state your opinion, even if it is not popular or agreed to by all. This is what allows me to speak my mind, that is to state MY opinion on any topic. Further more, if anyone, group or government tries to stop someone from expressing their opinion (even distasteful ones)I feel they don't belive in freedom of speech, they belive in freedom of others to restate THEIR beliefs.
    You have no way of knowing this, but I am Jewish-nuf said there. With that said, I could not oppose more any groups(KKK) hate words. But as they are Americans, they have their right to their opinion-yes you heard me right, even they have their right to their opinion, to write it and speak it. My issue comes when they take illegal actions or incite others to take illegal actions-see the difference, opinions spoken or written VS illegal actions ( I am sure many people are shocked and disagree with this statement and it is their right to feel as such and state this).
    It is MY opinion, that people in America have a greater freedom of speech than other countries (whether this is fact or nationalism speeking is for others to decide).
    As you can tell, you have not convinced me of your points. Even though I disagree with what you say and how you say it, I respect your right to say it.
    If you want to continue this political science discussion, we should take it to the "other" catagory, it seems to me we lost the issue of the game and its relitive good and bad points and are just into political science descussion.
    Let me buy you a supersized BIGMAC combo meal and agree to disagee.

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  30. is it true that they are getting rid of the "supersize" meals.

    if they do that i will not eat there anymore.

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  31. You're right about taking it to the other/other section but I'm too lazy to transport it so I'll just respond to it here. Regulars to this part of the forum know by now to avoid this topic :smile:

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    Clearly you have taken this too much too heart, if I didn't know any better, I would say you work for them (UBI/Crytech) or just live in Germany (nothing wrong with either).

    I don't work in the games industry and I don't live in Germany either.

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    Where as my comments were directed at the company(s) and the issues involved, yours are personal attacks at me (though I am not offended, do you see the difference).

    My problem with your post was the way you stated your opinion (using the Nazi reference). That is personal by definition. My posts are not meant to be offensive to you. They are meant to make you aware of the fact that it may be offensive to people and why that is so.

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    As for France they are a socialist government (nothing wrong with that, they voted to be that way), as opposed to a true democaracy. For that matter, the USA is not a true democaracy, we are a democratic republic. In a true democracy, everyone votes for everything, in a democratic republic, we vote for our leader, who vote for what we want (in theory).

    As you may have guessed I'm not from the United States but we'll come to that later. However your knowledge with regard to european matter is lacking (again not meant to offend you). My reference to France was meant to indicate the historical origin of modern style democracies (there are way older examples but modern western based democracies find their roots there), and in light of the latest frictions/differences of insight between these two nations I found it worthwhile to highlight that fact.

    The political orientation of a government has nothing to do with the mechanism how they have been brought into power (democracy), please do not mix these things up. France is very much a democracy, and actually at the moment they have a conservative government not a socialist one, that was a long time ago when François Miterand was in power. Currently it is Jacques Chirac and he's a conservative. Actually the French political system is a little bit more complicated: the president is voted into power separate from the power in parliament, just like in the US where you vote for a president, and the senate and congress. However in France the majority rule of the house of representatives will determine the political signature of the prime minister, and so it is possible to have a right oriented president with a left oriented government. Although the french president has quite some actual power, he is not as powerful in the government as a US president is. Enough on French politics already :smile: if you find it interesting, <A HREF="http://www.elysee.fr/ang/pres/role1_.htm" target="_new">this is a fun link</A> to start with.

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    For that matter, the USA is not a true democaracy, we are a democratic republic. In a true democracy, everyone votes for everything, in a democratic republic, we vote for our leader, who vote for what we want (in theory).

    There are many forms of implementation of democracy. For the sake of discussion I prefer to call them all democracies.

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    It seems to me, freedom of speech includes being able to state your opinion, even if it is not popular or agreed to by all. This is what allows me to speak my mind, that is to state MY opinion on any topic. Further more, if anyone, group or government tries to stop someone from expressing their opinion (even distasteful ones)I feel they don't belive in freedom of speech, they belive in freedom of others to restate THEIR beliefs.

    I share with you the appreciation of free speech and all its consequences. It is basically one of the constitutional rights in democracies and you will find this right in each and every one of the constitutions. However, there is a limit to free speech, and that is where it is infringing on other constitutional rights. This is why you cannot make discriminatory speeches aimed at specific persons or groups. I realize that constitutions vary between different (democratic) countries, so the balance between what is allowed under free speech, may vary between countries too. If you feel that your constitutional rights have been infringed you can bring this to a court to get a judgement on it.

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    My issue comes when they take illegal actions or incite others to take illegal actions-see the difference, opinions spoken or written VS illegal actions ( I am sure many people are shocked and disagree with this statement and it is their right to feel as such and state this).

    So I think it boils down to a difference of opinion on how far you can go in terms of free speech. Although you have every right on your opinion in this matter, it is up to your justicial system to determine what the actual limits of free speech are. My (limited) knowledge with regard to US law in this matter is that current interpretation is a little more strict than what you think is right.

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    It is MY opinion, that people in America have a greater freedom of speech than other countries (whether this is fact or nationalism speeking is for others to decide).

    I do not have enough legal background on all constitutions in democracies around the world to confirm or deny that (and my guess is, you do not have that insight either). Just remember though that the limits of a constitutional right is set in relation to other constitutional rights (all other law is subject to the constitution) so if the there is more room in a certain constitutional right, this is bound to reflect in another constitutional right being somewhat more restricted, in those areas where there are potential conflicts between constitutional rights.

    And no, I do not have a law degree :smile: so anyone with some professional insight in this matter is urged to correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Let me buy you a supersized BIGMAC combo meal and agree to disagee.

    Fine with me :smile: please keep in mind costs of transportation in selecting a specific location for this gettogether (or were you planning on sending me money by wire? :tongue: )


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  32. They still have it where I'm living. If they stop that, I'll switch to BurgerKing.


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  33. gaaaawd... stop with the political answers... jaysus... some ppl have got their priorities all wrong..

    and after discovering the XL bacon double cheese burger meal in Burgerking I have to admit that Macdonalds food pales in comparision (altho i prefer MD's chicken nuggets with bbq sauce)... cept i live in remote part of Ireland and the closest burgerking is like... 40 miles away so i never get to have that meal and now Ive thought about it i really want one now.... oh the pain...

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  34. Why are you still reading this thread? You enjoy the pain? :smile:

    With regard to your fastfood problem, you probably have a Whimpy's nearby instead of a BurgerKing, or is that exclusive British trashfood? (Or did they go broke a looong time ago? We used to have a few here, in the Netherlands, but they've vanished).


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  35. No Supersize, im on a diet.

    Sorry coach, cant take the quiz, forgot to study

    Confuscious say: He who go to bed with ithcy ass, wake up with stinkyfinger
  36. What, the dog ate your homework, again! No more excuses, take the quiz or you get an F. As for meal, what about just the normal combo, come on, ya know you want it. :-)
  37. Sorry Wolfy and everyone else, can't let this one go, yet.

    Computer is dieing, Word won't come up, please forgive spelling errors.

    Clearly you have taken this too much too heart-since you did not respond to that, I am forced to believe you agree.

    Your problem was the way I worded my opinion of what UBI/Crytech did, well it was aimed at them, not YOU, especially since you say you are not German or in the software industry. I don't see why calling them that was personal to you. You may disagree with the useage of the term, as per you explaination, but why is it personal to you?-this is not ment as a jest. Even if I used the term incorrectly (personally, I don't think so and stand by it) why is it a personal insult to YOU? Is it becouse you feel I am lessening the horrors Nazi's did by using it this way? I certainly never ment to do so, as per my last post, you should know I am all too very awear of what they did. As you should well know, this did not happen all at once. It happened slowly, over many years. I see this as the start of being told what I can have on my computer (software), next it will be when I use my computer or how-like posting opinions on boards/communities or what I can say (stating my feelings/opinions)... By using terms that stir peoples passions- the detail of your responces shows that clearly I have aroused your passions- people will not just accept what is happening. They will talk/discuss/argue/fight about it. As people show their passion about the issue (lets not forget, the issue was and is UBI/Crytech telling people what software they can have on their computer) more and more peole will get an opinion and will start to give their opinion. This will be the start of change. If enough people tell UBI/Crytech that they will not purchase their software becouse of what they are doing, they will have two choices, change or go out of business.


    Since no one else wrote that they were personally insulted by the manner in which I worded my opinion-

    If anyone else out their was offended by the way I presented my opinion ie the exact words I used, please!! let me know. As I see it, since no one else responed to the wording (as of yet), I am left to conclude you are the only one who was offended by the exact wording of my opinion.

    I will give you that becouse (I believe) France is socilist (the government owns natural resources, possibly major busness-the phone system-I think) has nothing to do with the fact that they vote their leaders into office. I haven seen on CNN farmers bringing the streets to a close with their tractors to protest government actions. This went on for a while. Sadly, I believe that this would not be allowed to happen here, force would be used to remove them post haste-but I digress.


    Where as it is true, their are some limits on free speech, you can not tell lies ment to hurt people or yell fire in a theater or bomb in an airport. For the most part,I believe, as long as you make it clear that you are stating your opinion, you can say most things . Case and point, KKK and White Power groups hold marches and rallies spouting their (in my opinion) Anti-American thoughts and feels. What they say and believe sickens me to no end, but I would happly die protecting their right to their opinion. If we tell them they can not say as they feel, what is next, telling people they can not publicly disagree with the government, then tell us what words we can use to express our feeling, next we can not express our feelings...again, I digress, but you get the point.

    I will respond to any replies, as soon as I redo my computer-it may take a day or two to fully redo so be patient.

    Ok, thats the bell-read chapers 4 and 5 and be ready for the test on Friday-NO, my dog ate my studyguide excusses will be accepted.
  38. Just get me my BigMac supersized combo and be done with it, mate.

    If I do not react on something you write it does not automatically mean I agree with it (just so you know) and from reading your last post, you either did not read my post or you did not understand it. Either way, let's have the food and a good laugh and be on our ways.


    BigMac

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  39. why would you name a childrens character grimace???

    that always blew my mind. the purple guys name is grimace.

    why? what reason should he be named grimace?

    anyone else see my point?

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  40. no?

    BigMac

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  41. Quote:

    grim·ace ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grms, gr-ms)
    n.
    A sharp contortion of the face expressive of pain, contempt, or disgust.

    from dictionary.com


    why would you name a childrens character after a facial expression for disgust or pain?

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  42. PhukFace,
    Ya I get it, my version is saying "how about them Dodgers"

    Bigmac, that is PhukFace's polite way of changing the subject, I think. Sit down, scrap off the ketchup, and injoy your meal. :-)-

    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mrmonsoon on 05/06/04 07:06 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  43. :wink:

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  44. Mr. Man with big gun(M16) says we dont have any freakin french fires. Go to Wendy's!!!!!

    Hey Coach: I found my #2 pencil

    Confuscious say: He who go to bed with ithcy ass, wake up with stinkyfinger<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Stinkfinger on 05/06/04 09:31 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  45. i polish my m16(actually my AR-15((civilian model)) everyday, just to make sure its clean.)

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  46. Is the AR-15 a "blow back design" like the M-16. I heard they get the "guts" really dirty, but are very easy to be very, very accurate with. I like my SKS's (762by39), they use a piston and don't tend to get so dirty. The real amazing thing about them is they make anyone a crack shot in a very short time. First time out, after about 120 rounds, I was able to hit 8 out of ten at 300 yards with only the iron sights. At the time the only rifle I had shot before was a 22. I was not that good, the SKS makes anyone that good. Same day I tried a British 303 carbine. I thought I would try it one knee down (mind you I am only 140 pounds)-I was doing so good with SKS-I shot it and the next thing I know I am on my back looking straight up in the air. Not funny at the time, but now it is very funny. Target shooting and computers are a tie for favorite pastime.
    From games to politics to weapons, that what I call a diverse thread. Who says THG's are one dimensional.

    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mrmonsoon on 05/06/04 11:41 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  47. Quote:

    Bigmac, that is PhukFace's polite way of changing the subject, I think. Sit down, scrap off the ketchup, and injoy your meal. :-)-


    Well I didnt need phukface for that, I was already done with it.

    You still owe me a supersized combo, want me to send you a receipt?


    BigMac

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  48. Quote:

    Mr. Man with big gun(M16) says we dont have any freakin french fires. Go to Wendy's!!!!!


    Jack-in-the-Box classic, love it. Still have that sound clip on my harddrive.


    BigMac

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  49. Thats exactly what i was talkin bout. Funny as hell.

    WHO put the "FREAK" in French fries?

    Confuscious say: He who go to bed with ithcy ass, wake up with stinkyfinger
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