cannot connect Sony CamCorder

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Problems, Problems; XP SP2 & Firewire Drivers.
You can find info here at Mr. Graham Hughes website.
'My Camcorder has stopped working since installing SP2'
(http://www.myvideoproblems.com/ProblemPages/CamNotWorki...)

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Treeman


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I'm failing miserably here.
I tried swapping out the msdv.sys file - no change.
I tried the hot fixes. Made it worse, so I reverted back.
Anyone know of any other KB articles or solutions?
thanks

"Treeman" <Treeman.1rgtko@no-mx.msusenet.com> wrote in message
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> Problems, Problems; XP SP2 & Firewire Drivers.
> You can find info here at Mr. Graham Hughes website.
> 'My Camcorder has stopped working since installing SP2'
> (http://www.myvideoproblems.com/ProblemPages/CamNotWorki...)
>
> Best,
> Treeman
>
>
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Shank,
Shhhhhh! I got some folks in the, "SP2 or die" camp p*ssed at me for
putting out this solution. But I'm glad it worked for you. It's great
that you can now be in the "Start Something" Experience, instead of
being in the "Fix Something" Experience!
Best,
Treeman


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Shank !,
Thanks for the problem posted....and ur final success.

Treeman !,
Thanks for the patient in solving this problem. I myelf also having this
kinda problem after I re-install from fresh my pc with WinXP Pro Sp2 when my
DAMM so call branded digi video cam SONY cannot work with the famous OS held
by the richest person in the WORLD.
I was searching high and low for this solution myself also in MICROSOFT
servers.

I like this brainstorming communities...

-joshua siew

"Treeman" wrote:

>
> Shank,
> Shhhhhh! I got some folks in the, "SP2 or die" camp p*ssed at me for
> putting out this solution. But I'm glad it worked for you. It's great
> that you can now be in the "Start Something" Experience, instead of
> being in the "Fix Something" Experience!
> Best,
> Treeman
>
>
> --
> Treeman
>
>
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But why does everyone blame Bill, it's not his fault, it's the camcorder
manufacturers not using the correct firmware in their camcorders, which is
why you have to roll back to old drivers from MS which allowed the use of
non-compliant firmware. Bill actually tried to be more compliant, poor chap
 
The solution is on micorsofts servers, KB893008
Now other problems may be his fault, but not this one  

Also look at the mnay problems people face with Sony HC42's and Macs, they
don't work together because of Sony's firmware, and this can't be Bill's
fault can it???? LOL LOL

Graham

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"joshua siew" <joshuasiew@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Shank !,
> Thanks for the problem posted....and ur final success.
>
> Treeman !,
> Thanks for the patient in solving this problem. I myelf also having this
> kinda problem after I re-install from fresh my pc with WinXP Pro Sp2 when
> my
> DAMM so call branded digi video cam SONY cannot work with the famous OS
> held
> by the richest person in the WORLD.
> I was searching high and low for this solution myself also in MICROSOFT
> servers.
>
> I like this brainstorming communities...
>
> -joshua siew
>
> "Treeman" wrote:
>
>>
>> Shank,
>> Shhhhhh! I got some folks in the, "SP2 or die" camp p*ssed at me for
>> putting out this solution. But I'm glad it worked for you. It's great
>> that you can now be in the "Start Something" Experience, instead of
>> being in the "Fix Something" Experience!
>> Best,
>> Treeman
>>
>>
>> --
>> Treeman
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Treeman's Profile: http://www.msusenet.com/member.php?userid=1260
>> View this thread: http://www.msusenet.com/t-1870578215
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>>

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Both Bill and manufacturers are to blame. What bothers me is the verbiage
that they made modifications that put them "closer" to 100% compliance.
Closer? What does that mean? We are speaking of world giants and they cannot
comply "dead on" with an established standard?!!! What gives? Is the
standard or guidelines that hard to comply with? That's the part I don't
get.



"Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> wrote in message
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> But why does everyone blame Bill, it's not his fault, it's the camcorder
> manufacturers not using the correct firmware in their camcorders, which is
> why you have to roll back to old drivers from MS which allowed the use of
> non-compliant firmware. Bill actually tried to be more compliant, poor
> chap  
> The solution is on micorsofts servers, KB893008
> Now other problems may be his fault, but not this one  
>
> Also look at the mnay problems people face with Sony HC42's and Macs, they
> don't work together because of Sony's firmware, and this can't be Bill's
> fault can it???? LOL LOL
>
> Graham
>
> --
> Graham Hughes
> MVP Digital Media
> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> www.dvds2treasure.com
> www.simplydv.com
>
>
> "joshua siew" <joshuasiew@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:55A47F80-C049-47CC-BF68-E9C9AEE4A0A7@microsoft.com...
>> Shank !,
>> Thanks for the problem posted....and ur final success.
>>
>> Treeman !,
>> Thanks for the patient in solving this problem. I myelf also having this
>> kinda problem after I re-install from fresh my pc with WinXP Pro Sp2 when
>> my
>> DAMM so call branded digi video cam SONY cannot work with the famous OS
>> held
>> by the richest person in the WORLD.
>> I was searching high and low for this solution myself also in MICROSOFT
>> servers.
>>
>> I like this brainstorming communities...
>>
>> -joshua siew
>>
>> "Treeman" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Shank,
>>> Shhhhhh! I got some folks in the, "SP2 or die" camp p*ssed at me for
>>> putting out this solution. But I'm glad it worked for you. It's great
>>> that you can now be in the "Start Something" Experience, instead of
>>> being in the "Fix Something" Experience!
>>> Best,
>>> Treeman
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Treeman
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Treeman's Profile: http://www.msusenet.com/member.php?userid=1260
>>> View this thread: http://www.msusenet.com/t-1870578215
>>>
>>>
>
>

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"All that's left is to condemn the camera. Sony doesn't believe the
camera is
at fault and of course they want _$269_ to bench test it."
Graham,
I think we missed the boat on this one!
Best Wishes,
Treeman


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Maybe I missed something....
Months ago, with SP1, I had no problems. Upgrade to SP2 and it does not
work. Referring to this statement: " Having spent some time conversing with
Microsoft, it appears that when SP2 was released they updated the ieee1394
drivers, so that they fitted more closely to the ieee1394 standards. Whereas
the SP1 drivers didn't match these standards so closely "

OK... I'm glad they decided it was time to "get closer" to the 1394
Standards. Sony's camcorder worked with the looser standards. That suggests
that both MS and Sony were not conforming to the standard. I don't know how
Sony approached the 1394 issue in the beginning, but I'm guessing they
tested using MS software and when it worked, they stamped the approval.
Otherwise, if they initially conformed to the 1394 standards 100%, without
consulting with MS, then they both would have found a flaw in the looser
standards... correct? That's were I blame both MS and Sony.

It's great that MS can provide a FREE SP2 download to conform. But I cannot
absolve them from the initial problem. I believe that both MS and Sony
conspired to slide by somehow originally.

My 2¢


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> "All that's left is to condemn the camera. Sony doesn't believe the
> camera is
> at fault and of course they want _$269_ to bench test it."
> Graham,
> I think we missed the boat on this one!
> Best Wishes,
> Treeman
>
>
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>
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Shank, it probably is a bit of both. I doubt very much if MS and Sony
conspire to do anything. It also doesn't matter whether MS had complied
fully or not. Some of Sony's new cams do not work with the inventors of
firewire, Apple. This is because Sony wish to implement their own
standards.........

Still we probably shan't agree  

Graham

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"shank" <shank@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe I missed something....
> Months ago, with SP1, I had no problems. Upgrade to SP2 and it does not
> work. Referring to this statement: " Having spent some time conversing
> with Microsoft, it appears that when SP2 was released they updated the
> ieee1394 drivers, so that they fitted more closely to the ieee1394
> standards. Whereas the SP1 drivers didn't match these standards so closely
> "
>
> OK... I'm glad they decided it was time to "get closer" to the 1394
> Standards. Sony's camcorder worked with the looser standards. That
> suggests that both MS and Sony were not conforming to the standard. I
> don't know how Sony approached the 1394 issue in the beginning, but I'm
> guessing they tested using MS software and when it worked, they stamped
> the approval. Otherwise, if they initially conformed to the 1394 standards
> 100%, without consulting with MS, then they both would have found a flaw
> in the looser standards... correct? That's were I blame both MS and Sony.
>
> It's great that MS can provide a FREE SP2 download to conform. But I
> cannot absolve them from the initial problem. I believe that both MS and
> Sony conspired to slide by somehow originally.
>
> My 2¢
>
>
> "Treeman" <Treeman.1rtv15@no-mx.msusenet.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "All that's left is to condemn the camera. Sony doesn't believe the
>> camera is
>> at fault and of course they want _$269_ to bench test it."
>> Graham,
>> I think we missed the boat on this one!
>> Best Wishes,
>> Treeman
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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I know, I could charge $100 to test each one, then send it to you for a
further test at $100 LOL

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www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


"Treeman" <Treeman.1rtv15@no-mx.msusenet.com> wrote in message
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> "All that's left is to condemn the camera. Sony doesn't believe the
> camera is
> at fault and of course they want _$269_ to bench test it."
> Graham,
> I think we missed the boat on this one!
> Best Wishes,
> Treeman
>
>
> --
> Treeman
>
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