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July 2, 2004 8:23:21 PM

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Anyone have a clue as to when DVD-R DL Drives will come out?
NBK

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July 2, 2004 9:43:20 PM

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NBK wrote:

> Anyone have a clue as to when DVD-R DL Drives will come out?
> NBK

Read back in this newsgroup.

Gary Eickmeier
July 3, 2004 12:29:33 AM

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Gary, just curious, how far back ca you read on your newsreader?
The most I ever get is a few days, sometimes 4 days.
I tried changing options in outlook express but it did no good.
I am assuming it's just road runner not keeping that much on storage.
But since you also have road runner, I am curious.

thanks,
AnthonyR.


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>
> NBK wrote:
>
> > Anyone have a clue as to when DVD-R DL Drives will come out?
> > NBK
>
> Read back in this newsgroup.
>
> Gary Eickmeier
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Anonymous
July 3, 2004 12:29:34 AM

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I have no idea how far back my newsreader goes either. If I'm looking for
info, I just do a google search on this group. Start at
http://tinyurl.com/2969l

Mike

AnthonyR wrote:
> Gary, just curious, how far back ca you read on your newsreader?
> The most I ever get is a few days, sometimes 4 days.
> I tried changing options in outlook express but it did no good.
> I am assuming it's just road runner not keeping that much on storage.
> But since you also have road runner, I am curious.
>
> thanks,
> AnthonyR.
>
>
> "Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Y8hFc.14880$IX4.1181025@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>>
>>
>> NBK wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have a clue as to when DVD-R DL Drives will come out?
>>> NBK
>>
>> Read back in this newsgroup.
>>
>> Gary Eickmeier
July 3, 2004 1:30:51 AM

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In article <NAjFc.44376$a92.29650@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
AnthonyR <toomuchspam@tolisthere.com> wrote:
> Gary, just curious, how far back ca you read on your newsreader?
> The most I ever get is a few days, sometimes 4 days.
> I tried changing options in outlook express but it did no good.
> I am assuming it's just road runner not keeping that much on storage.
> But since you also have road runner, I am curious.

There's always groups.google.com if the poster hasn't "x-no-archive"d his
stuff.

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Anonymous
July 3, 2004 3:56:14 AM

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AnthonyR wrote:

> Gary, just curious, how far back ca you read on your newsreader?
> The most I ever get is a few days, sometimes 4 days.
> I tried changing options in outlook express but it did no good.
> I am assuming it's just road runner not keeping that much on storage.
> But since you also have road runner, I am curious.

I try to go about a month, but it doesn't usually work. Anyway, I wrote
about this on the 27th of June, and it is still readable on my server:

******************************************************************


I just checked out Sony's dual layer 8.5G burner at Best Buy. It's $199,
looks great, comes with Nero software, which is good, but...

I then looked for the discs to use with it. Of course, it is also a fine
8X single layer, dual format burner, but if you're interested in
recording all kinds of dual layer discs, here's what I found: They had a
Verbatim product called the "Dual Layer Solution." It had 10 discs in it
for $29.95. Sounds reasonable, until you read the fine print: the
package contains 8 DVD+R discs, 1 DVD RW, and 1 (ONE) DVD dual layer
disc! So, if you assume about a buck each for the first nine discs, then
the price of the dual layer is $20!

I sure hope this thing comes down in price. Will probably be superseded
by the blue laser anyway.

Gary Eickmeier
July 3, 2004 6:56:12 PM

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"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> AnthonyR wrote:
>
> > Gary, just curious, how far back ca you read on your newsreader?
> > The most I ever get is a few days, sometimes 4 days.
> > I tried changing options in outlook express but it did no good.
> > I am assuming it's just road runner not keeping that much on storage.
> > But since you also have road runner, I am curious.
>
> I try to go about a month, but it doesn't usually work. Anyway, I wrote
> about this on the 27th of June, and it is still readable on my server:
>
> ******************************************************************
>
>
> I just checked out Sony's dual layer 8.5G burner at Best Buy. It's $199,
> looks great, comes with Nero software, which is good, but...
>
> I then looked for the discs to use with it. Of course, it is also a fine
> 8X single layer, dual format burner, but if you're interested in
> recording all kinds of dual layer discs, here's what I found: They had a
> Verbatim product called the "Dual Layer Solution." It had 10 discs in it
> for $29.95. Sounds reasonable, until you read the fine print: the
> package contains 8 DVD+R discs, 1 DVD RW, and 1 (ONE) DVD dual layer
> disc! So, if you assume about a buck each for the first nine discs, then
> the price of the dual layer is $20!
>
> I sure hope this thing comes down in price. Will probably be superseded
> by the blue laser anyway.
>
> Gary Eickmeier
>

Gary,
Thanks for the reply, I had read that post of yours. From the post I gather
that NBK is thinking that the current
DL discs are of the +R type, and that somehow when a dual layer of the -R
comes out, he thinks it will be more compatible, so he was planning to wait.
I didn't think there would be dual format's in the DL discs, will there?

Wow, you have road runner in Florida and can access a month back, I must be
doing something wrong, I now have only as far as 7/2/04 available. (2days
worth). I need to look into this further.
I guess a google search on the group is a good idea also.

Thanks Guys for that suggestion,

AnthonyR.
Anonymous
July 3, 2004 9:43:14 PM

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AnthonyR wrote:

> Gary,
> Thanks for the reply, I had read that post of yours. From the post I gather
> that NBK is thinking that the current
> DL discs are of the +R type, and that somehow when a dual layer of the -R
> comes out, he thinks it will be more compatible, so he was planning to wait.
> I didn't think there would be dual format's in the DL discs, will there?
>
> Wow, you have road runner in Florida and can access a month back, I must be
> doing something wrong, I now have only as far as 7/2/04 available. (2days
> worth). I need to look into this further.

I can't find my browser's setting for that just offhand, but whatever I
requested, it is only giving me messages back to the 25th of June. So
you're probably right - the server is erasing them periodically.

Gary Eickmeier
Anonymous
July 3, 2004 9:46:39 PM

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AnthonyR wrote:

> Gary,
> Thanks for the reply, I had read that post of yours. From the post I gather
> that NBK is thinking that the current
> DL discs are of the +R type, and that somehow when a dual layer of the -R
> comes out, he thinks it will be more compatible, so he was planning to wait.
> I didn't think there would be dual format's in the DL discs, will there?

I don't know - but this was a dual format burner, so it shouldn't matter
what the discs end up being. Also, I'm not convinced that + or - matters
as far as set-top player compatibility. Main question will be
compatibility with dual layer itself!

Gary Eickmeier
July 5, 2004 7:03:21 AM

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"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> AnthonyR wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> > Thanks for the reply, I had read that post of yours. From the post I
gather
> > that NBK is thinking that the current
> > DL discs are of the +R type, and that somehow when a dual layer of
the -R
> > comes out, he thinks it will be more compatible, so he was planning to
wait.
> > I didn't think there would be dual format's in the DL discs, will there?
>
> I don't know - but this was a dual format burner, so it shouldn't matter
> what the discs end up being. Also, I'm not convinced that + or - matters
> as far as set-top player compatibility. Main question will be
> compatibility with dual layer itself!
>
> Gary Eickmeier
>

Gary,
Very true, I agree, I think DL compatibility itself will be an issue, not
the type of dual layer.
But look at it this way, a chance for drive makers to sell all new dvd
players to everyone again!
Ones that play DL and hopefully blue laser too! Although maybe they'll wait
till we all bought one more machine before telling us we need another newer
one to be really compatible with blue laser discs. LOL

AnthonyR
Anonymous
July 5, 2004 7:22:12 PM

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AnthonyR wrote:

> Gary,
> Very true, I agree, I think DL compatibility itself will be an issue, not
> the type of dual layer.
> But look at it this way, a chance for drive makers to sell all new dvd
> players to everyone again!
> Ones that play DL and hopefully blue laser too! Although maybe they'll wait
> till we all bought one more machine before telling us we need another newer
> one to be really compatible with blue laser discs. LOL

You know, they can plan all the obsolescence they want, and try to sell
us everything under the sun, but what drives this business (from the
production end, that is) is what media the clients have in their homes.
So my first question is, fine that the dual layer recorders can record 8
Gigs of data, but can John Public play these discs at home? If not,
there will be no sale and no reason for me to worry about buying one. It
would be fine, of course, for individuals who want to use it to record
either a lot of data or a Hollywood movie or a long family video for
playback on his own device, but I as a producer am not going to worry
about it yet.

If and when blue laser and HDTV catch on with the public at large, I
will then assess the market and start worrying about which burner to
get. So let them invent and sell away, and let US just wait and see.

Gary Eickmeier
July 9, 2004 11:55:43 PM

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"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> You know, they can plan all the obsolescence they want, and try to sell
> us everything under the sun, but what drives this business (from the
> production end, that is) is what media the clients have in their homes.
> So my first question is, fine that the dual layer recorders can record 8
> Gigs of data, but can John Public play these discs at home? If not,
> there will be no sale and no reason for me to worry about buying one. It
> would be fine, of course, for individuals who want to use it to record
> either a lot of data or a Hollywood movie or a long family video for
> playback on his own device, but I as a producer am not going to worry
> about it yet.
>
> If and when blue laser and HDTV catch on with the public at large, I
> will then assess the market and start worrying about which burner to
> get. So let them invent and sell away, and let US just wait and see.
>
> Gary Eickmeier
>

Gary,
I agree with you on that. Most of the public finally has a DVD player, and
the one's that have old
models which can't play burned dvd's are just going out and replacing them
with cheap (under $60) models.
So that is the point we are at, true. And we as media producers need to just
concentrate on that.
I believe regular dvd will be the dominant format for many years to come
still!
After all, look how long it took to get here? I was the first one in my
family to have one, at $500 and it weighed a ton.
Don't even remember how many years ago, LOL.
And my sister finally just got one, cause it was so cheap at costco and her
vcr broke, LOL
The new dual units are as low as $99 now, VCR plus DVD. DVD Recorders are
finally affordable at just under
$300 for standalone units and blanks are $1 or less, so unless Bluelaser is
backward compatible, I see it having a very
hard time replacing dvd as a standard any time soon.
Oh and as far as HDTV, another joke!
It's gotten to the point I hate watching tv at friends' homes who own HDTV
sets cause the faces are all distorted and stretched out to fit the screen.
If I try and adjust it, they yell, and tell me, the manufacture suggests you
leave it like that to prevent screen burn it! And tell me, they got use to
it.
Use to unproportionate ratios? How sad is that?
I'd rather watch a picture with snow that a clear picture with everyone
looking short and fat.

It's just amazing to me, that we live in 2004, and with all our technology,
tv manufactures couldn't develop a standard to maintain correct aspect
ratios on every television set as a standard feature! NO TV should ever
display an incorrect aspect ratio! EVER!
Imagine, getting your prints back from the developer and getting panoramic
prints but not having used a panoramic camera and they just stretched them
to fit the paper and told you, sorry we had to, cause the manufacture
suggests it. LOL
Would people put up with that?

AnthonyR.
Anonymous
July 10, 2004 8:16:39 PM

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> It's just amazing to me, that we live in 2004, and with all our
> technology, tv manufactures couldn't develop a standard to maintain
> correct aspect ratios on every television set as a standard feature!

Like you, I don't understand why a simple system isn't setup to display
widescreen movies in fullscreen mode on regular TV's. Some DVD's have both
options which I think is great, but obviously some movies are too large to
include both versions on a single DVD (though a double-sided disk should
allow each version on each side of the disk).

Since "pan and scan" (fullscreen) movies are just selected portions of the
standard movie, it seems to me a simple "command" file would be all that
would be needed to tell the TV or DVD player which part of the image to
display. Left side, center, right side, zoom, etc. Rather than encode two
versions of the same video, just tell the player which parts of the video
to display. Seems like a simple solution to me...

Anthony
Anonymous
July 11, 2004 6:20:07 PM

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:16:39 -0000, HerHusband <unknown@unknown.com>
wrote:

>Since "pan and scan" (fullscreen) movies are just selected portions of the
>standard movie, it seems to me a simple "command" file would be all that
>would be needed to tell the TV or DVD player which part of the image to
>display. Left side, center, right side, zoom, etc. Rather than encode two
>versions of the same video, just tell the player which parts of the video
>to display. Seems like a simple solution to me...

Except pan and scan movies don't simply display left, right, or
center. A properly made one has a camera operator who controls how
the image is selectively zoomed or panned, and the DVD spec just
doesn't allow for as fine control. The letterbox vs. fullscreen war
has been raging for decades now, and the solution the manufacturers
opted for is to provide most movies in letterboxed format while
releasing pan and scan versions of certain titles meant for "family"
(i.e - Child) viewing. The vast majority of DVD owners seem to prefer
widescreen, although there are a few diehard viewers out there who
just don't like how letterboxed titles look, even knowing that they
get more picture that way. Hopefully the rise in widescreen TV
monitor sales will solve this problem once and for all.

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for I have already survived Theta-G!
Anonymous
July 12, 2004 7:20:31 PM

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> Except pan and scan movies don't simply display left, right, or
> center. A properly made one has a camera operator who controls how
> the image is selectively zoomed or panned, and the DVD spec just
> doesn't allow for as fine control.

The problem is with the "spec", not that it couldn't be done.

The "parameters" of the camera operators selection could be stored in a
simple command file (or encoded into the video stream itself). For example,
for each frame store the location of the upper left pixel and the location
of the lower right pixel. The player would simply select that portion of
the widescreen video, and display or stretch it as needed to fill the
screen on a widescreen TV. It would be no different than what is required
to produce the pan and scan version anyway, except you wouldn't have to
spend the time reencoding the second version, and a command file would use
far less storage space than a second copy of the video.

> provide most movies in letterboxed format while releasing
> pan and scan versions of certain titles

Ideally, we would all own widescreen televisions. In the future that might
be the case, but at the present time the reality is most people still own
standard televisions.

Since virtually all movies have already had pan and scan versions produced
for VHS, there is little reason not to include both versions on a DVD. I
realize there are additional costs involved, but many movies offer both
versions at no additional cost. It could be done.

Anthony
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