How to get rid of Terrorists?

Kill them.

Erase them
Remove them
Eradicate them
Exterminate them
Wipe them out

Call it what you will but by the very definition there is no negotiating with terrorists.

I think more of what they did in Cuba to the prisoners would be appropriate except it should be done on live television and followed by live broadcast decapitation.

Do you think that would be a deterrent?

Put them on a McD menu and wait till Bigmac eats them to extinction.

*burp*

I hate to be the person to say this....but saying we want to kill these people only makes them seem less crazy when they say they want to kill us.

its not that i would mind if they were gone but we can't be upset by what they do and then do it right back at them without knowing that we would be acting like them.


its a tough call but its unreasonable to fight fire with fire.
All you ever get is a bigger flame.

Why?
Because i dont mean to always stir the pot but sometimes i think people think too much with emotion. I hate to say it because i would love for people who wish me harm, and are capaable of killing thousands without remorse to be dead....painfully dead. But its not right to kill them in the same way they kill us....it would be almost worse then what they did in the first place.

Which is what I mean with moral superiority. Killing out of self defence is ok btw, but (my) moral standards require that it is justifiable self defence, in other words, it would hold up in court when challenged.

I personally am a fan of the death penlty, an issue i am not about to debate because its larger then something i feel like talking about, and i have no problem with murder in self defense....but i quite often have a hard time supporting the use of our military, and our views towards people who dont think as we do....I am not saying i dont support the men and women in the military, i am syaing i dont support the Gov't's use of the military.

We're definitely on the same wavelength here.

Its nice to see i am not the only one who doesn't support the mass wholesale killing of terrorists. Its just something that doesn't seem right....Not the part about them being dead because they should all rot in hell, but the fact that we shouldn't use terror as a tactic as they used towards us.

Fire was never quenched with fire.

That would be one badass car....you could get an enzo for everyday of the week.

Thats the biggest difference between the US and the terrorists. The terrorists dont care how many innocent people they kill as long as the goal was accomplished.
The US tries, doesn't always succed, in minimizing civilian casualties.
That is why we get our a$$ kicked many times. We're too carefull. Not that its a bad thing, but if your going to take out the terrorists your going to have to start thinking and fighting like they do. Essentially become a "terrorists" yourself.
Granted this will never happen in real life becuase the backlash would be to big. Wed lose all support, what little we have left, to fight the war.
There is no stopping the radical islam terrorists. How do you stop someone that believes that killing themselves or being killed to fight the "infadels" will get them to heaven.
Killing them doesnt help, negotiating wont help, giving in wont help, nothing will help.
Even if you give in to their demands it will only empower them more to continue the attacks, hoping other countries will give in.
Pretty much the only solution to the terrorists is to completly wipe them off the face of the earth. Nothing will stop them.

Sure.

Invite them over for a house party with a load of drugs, sex and Rock 'n' roll present. Get them totally loaded, and then disarm their theories on having 40 virgins in some fantasized paradise by filming them porking 40 pros you hired for the occasion.

Then get that aired on Al 'sensationalistic' JahZeera and mate, before you can snap your fingers, every Terrorist this side of the West Bank will be over for the very same house party and all thoughts of blowing shite up will have dissipated with the first tranny pro they launch into.

Dude...you can't be serious. How old were you when 9-11 happened? How old were you when the Iranians took American hostages for over a year? Just what the hell do you think you are going to do with people who are willing to fly airliners into buildings or attach bombs to their bodies and walk into churches?

Know this: These people don't even know your name but they want to kill you. You, your family and everyone you know are their targets simply because you are an American and by extension an infidel. Sacrificing their own lives to kill you is a garunteed ticket to heaven. The only thing keeping you from harm is the willingness of government officials to step up with an unpopular hard line stance against the terrorist...even at the cost of their own carreers and political future.
These terrorists are a cancer on the world body and need to be treated as such.

Focking wake up and kill the rabid dog!



I think you missed part of what i said....

I think they are terrible people who deserve to die, but we can't exicute them in public centers and we can't use all means nessecery to kill them.....because thats what they did and how can we get pissed off for them doing something and then turn around and do that same thing?

Yeah, i know that, but my question is this.....do you know THEIR names? HELL NO. you just want to kill them. So you are beginging to act like them? with anger and voilence towards an entity not a person.



I have no problem with the US going after these people, bringing them in, trials, and death penalties. But we shouldn't shoot on sight, because that would make us as low as them. We should use the laws that are already in place for our country, we dont need to act like them to get something done.

You're right, they dont apply to them....but that doesn't mean we can go and shoot them on sight. We still have a clear set of rules to follow in the military about this....they are to detain them, not shoot them.


Yes i realize its not a perfect way to do things, but if we circumvent the laws to attack people, then we are no better then they are? We can always change the laws that we use internally to Govern ourselves....but as long as they are setup we should follow them to the T

Is someone is shooting at me, i am going to put one in their face.....but if i know someone is in a building. I will try to secure the building and take people without killing people. We have to be held to a higher standard of operation then most countries.....

Yes it's not fair, but the cops do it everyday. Criminals will shoot in a crowd, they will drive on the sidewalk, and do other things hat cops wont do. It makes it harder for them but they have to operate on a higher level then the criminals.

pickxx, I really wish we could all live in your fantasy world where everyone fights fair and honorably and no one gets hurt...but it ain't so my friend.

The enemy is named Al Queda. The leader is Osama bin Laden. One of the missions of Al Queda is to kill Americans - all of them if possible. Another mission is to convert the whole world to their brand of Islam, by force if necessary. (Sound crazy? That's part of the problem...they are!) I am sorry I do not know all of their individual names but I don't know all of the individual's names who were members of the Nazi Party and followed Hitler either. Those who swear allegience to Al Queda, support Al Queda, or harbor members of Al Queda are my enemy and I want my government to protect me from them...preferably before they get to my neighborhood.

Last time I checked we didn't fly airliners full of non-coms into buildings or send our marines on suicide runs through churches and resturaunts.
When Al Queda is approached they will fire their missles and rifles at our forces. Our forces will return fire with whatever they have available to them...if that is a carrier strike force so be it.

When was the last time you heard of a member of Al Queda offerring to be detained?

Then do it! Because the shooting started before you were born.

I wish every fought fairly too...and they dont. but how in the hell can we punish countries for not fighting fairly....and then do it ourselves? Like i said we as Americans are held to a higer standard of life, and warefare....and frankly i am up to the challenge.

So what should the limits of our warfare? if you are offended by thr idea of acting on a higher level....should we fly planes into their buildings? Should we go on suicide bombings? If we fight on there level EVERYONE loses.

So let me see if i have this right....because i honestly want to understand what you're saying....

You said

And what your saying is you dont know their names...and you want to kill them? They hate us as a culture, they hate us as Americans....you hate them as a culture and hate them as Al Queda. Nobody knows eachothers names....but they are heartless because they dont know our names, but you are justiifed because you dont know their names. HOW DARE YOU! Do not have their hatred in your heart. You are being a hypocrite....You can't scold them for something and then do it right back at them. YOU JUST CAN'T!!! Well you could, but then you would be a hypocrite and an idiot.

We detain them all the time....as well as Iraqi people we dont like as well. We have bases around the wolrd detaining them fro trials...But i guess those people dont count.

Then do it! Because the shooting started before you were born.[/quote]

I am not going to kill anyone, i am afraid i dont do that. I not going to join the military and i am not going to kill another person. Most of the killings in this world arn't needed.

And the shooting started before i was born? What the hell does this refer to? the mid-east unrest? that started before JESUS was born....hell it started before MOSES was born. And people have been fighting ever since....I think the last thing they need is one more person in there shooting away.




I know where you are comming from, but how can you say that we shouldn't be held to a higher standrd of warfare? Yes its not fair to use because it limits us, but how can we fight an ugly war using their tactics? Thats insane!! We can't vilify them for their tactics and then use them ourselves......THINK ABOUT IT! Its not just about getting the job done, its about getting the job done CORRECTLY!!

YES IT SUCKS to have to follow rules when they dont have to....but thats life.

Al Queda is not a country.
Touche....you got me there.

I dislike a culture of terror and that is what Al Queda is. Al Queda is not the whole of Islam, but a radical and extremist faction that has already attacked us many times and makes no secret of the fact they will continue to do so. I want my government to defend me and other US citizens from these attacks...period.

You didn't exactly answer my accusation....You actually said that "there are people who dont even know your name who want to kill you" and you said that as a bad thing about them. YOU DON'T KNOW THERE NAMES AND YOU WANT TO KILL THEM, or have them killed, JUST THE SAME! You cannot scold them for somethign and turn around and do it. You look like a fool doing that and just invite more problems.

I have not mentioned anywhere that I hate them. I want to be defended from them. I want to be assured that unlike one of my friends, I can go to work and not have a member of Al Queda blow the place up while I am there.

Really, you never said you hated them?

That sounds a lot like you hate them to me. But i guess you didn't use that EXACT word hate, so there are levels to decode here.

I did not say that.

Since you have a fixation on knowing their names and a bent for acting on a higher plane here is a compiled list of those who have been *legally* indicted for acts of terrorism.
Perhaps you could call one of them and ask him to surrender for detention.

First off you brought the whole.....there is a big scary monster that doesn't know your name that wants to kill you. I just brought it up that you are that same scary monster who doesn't know the name of his enemy and wants them dead.

Secondly...Calling for a surrender is just plain retarded, Why have a conversation and then say something wildly retarded? Saddam didn't surrender himself...but that didn't work out did it? We didn't find him, detain him, and now he is on trial. I guess sometimes the laws work out alright.....

Thirdly and most importantly, i am not saying thwey shouldn't die. I am nto saying we shoudln't shoot them. But we should have a priority list like this....1st DETAIN UNHARMED 2nd, DETAIN WOUNDED, and 3RD DETAIN IN BODY BAG.



So yes, if they are shooting at our solders while we storm the house we should shoot back, but we shouldn'tshoot to kill unless it is a must. Cops do it all the time when serving warrants all the time....they have a priority of what to do, killing is that last on that list. Sometimes perp's get killed because its unavoidable and that's alright, but we should try to detain them because that is the right thing to do....like it or not. We should model our solders like cops and the terrorists like fugatives in this case.




I noticed you have avoided a couple things i have said....
1. You keep saying you want yout gov't to protect you against these threats, which is a real concern and i dont want to die at their hands either.....but you act like we shuld turn the world upsidedown without concern for international laws and without a concern for detaining them. You act as if you want them all caught and shot on sight. This is just how i see you comming across, and i could be wrong.
2. You made a veige statement about the shooting starting before i was born....yet you made no clearification to my reply to that.

3. this will be my last thing that i will point out...You will reply to random parts of my posts and not everything.

Heheh, when ze government finds out who has information on terroristicit act within its own, they immediately quiet the sources.

Just to add to our list of people that are dangerous and wanted......

More facts.

The Japanese government, after three and a half years of battle defeats by Allied forces were given a choice.

The so-called Potsdam Declaration issued (July 26, 1945) by the conference presented an ultimatum to Japan, offering that nation the choice between unconditional surrender and total destruction. (The atom bomb was not actually mentioned.)
Truman's officially stated intention in ordering the bombings was to bring about a quick resolution of the war by inflicting destruction, and instilling fear of further destruction, that was sufficient to cause Japan to surrender.

According to some Japanese historians, Japanese civilian leaders who favored surrender saw their salvation in the atomic bombing. The Japanese military was steadfastly refusing to give up, so the peace faction seized on the bombing as a new argument to force surrender. Koichi Kido, one of Emperor Hirohito's closest advisors, stated: "We of the peace party were assisted by the atomic bomb in our endeavor to end the war." Hisatsune Sakomizu, the chief Cabinet secretary in 1945, called the bombing "a golden opportunity given by heaven for Japan to end the war." According to these historians and others, the pro-peace civilian leadership was able to use the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to convince the military that no amount of courage, skill and fearless combat could help Japan against the power of atomic weapons. Akio Morita, founder of Sony and a Japanese Naval officer during the war, also concludes that it was the atomic bomb and not conventional bombings from B-29s that convinced the Japanese military to agree to peace.

I'm pretty sure it's the movie "atomic cafe", but it's an interesting look into the whole thing.

The atomic bombs actually killed less people than the firebombings over in Germany yet people seem to focus on them. They ended the war without a mainland invasion. That's a good thing because if the atomic bombs were terrorism, then what do we call a land invasion with over a million dead?

Yeah, but nowadays keeping someone up at night is terrorism. So should I turn in my neighbors?

And on the other side of the world:

It never happened. Show me the bodies. You would be able to see the bodies from space and no astronaut has claimed to see them. [/sod]

I see them before they get into space. [/even more sod]

She had a giant set of knockers so I stuck my face in them and went "pffftttt" [/bomber drunk]