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December 19, 2011 4:17:35 AM

sweet... gotta wait till nvidia comes out with their cards so these get down to decent prices.
December 19, 2011 4:20:02 AM

Simply amazing, without AMD releasing quality Graphics cards and processors, we'd all be paying Intel $1,000 per CPU and Nvidia $750 per GPU. Thanks AMD, for providing all the best products and lowest prices for GPU's, CPU's and APU's.
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December 19, 2011 4:23:47 AM

Damn i wonder how the scaling will be while put in cf! These are amazing!
December 19, 2011 4:24:52 AM

No XDR2 RAM?
December 19, 2011 4:27:19 AM

mikenygmailSimply amazing, without AMD releasing quality Graphics cards and processors, we'd all be paying Intel $1,000 per CPU and Nvidia $750 per GPU. Thanks AMD, for providing all the best products and lowest prices for GPU's, CPU's and APU's.

"quality processors" not really, the processor division is really lacking in quality, but they make up for it in price for the most part... right now, the AMD processor divisions best goal is simply keeping intels prices to a semi decent level.
December 19, 2011 4:29:02 AM

The only thing good about it is the dual bios. How i hate when they show graphs with "x relative performance" instead of detailed numbers. Waiting for the benchmarks before i get hyped.
December 19, 2011 4:31:35 AM

Love the "NDA Briefing" on each slide...
December 19, 2011 4:31:56 AM

zachusaman"quality processors" not really, the processor division is really lacking in quality, but they make up for it in price for the most part... right now, the AMD processor divisions best goal is simply keeping intels prices to a semi decent level.


I agree, there were alot of interesting architectural innovations introduced in the Itanium that I hoped would trickle down. Instead x64 is pretty weak, but at least it keeps AMD in the game and Intel cheap.
December 19, 2011 4:33:09 AM

frankly, i loved the 69xx reference cards' flame design. It doesn't really matter though.
December 19, 2011 4:39:23 AM

Pretty amazing to see such improvements in performance.
Now I just did the same thing as I did when the GTX5** series was coming out, I grabbed two 470's..

Now I have a 580, maybe I'll hold off on another one and wait until Nvidia releases their competitors to the 7 series cards.

Then I'll make my choice, because in all honesty, these performance boosts are no laughing matter.
December 19, 2011 4:41:38 AM

I believe I will wait until they have xdr2 on them until then my 5770's will do just fine!!!
December 19, 2011 4:48:46 AM

Sweet. So long, n-sucker.
December 19, 2011 5:24:01 AM

6990 costs $699.0, anyone got a guess for the 7990?
December 19, 2011 5:37:54 AM

Keep them coming : )
December 19, 2011 5:40:49 AM

zachusaman"quality processors" not really, the processor division is really lacking in quality, but they make up for it in price for the most part... right now, the AMD processor divisions best goal is simply keeping intels prices to a semi decent level.


take a phenom II and an i7, in most applications the i7 is well ahead of the phenom, but keep in mind we are talking about seconds, not minutes the difference between 30 seconds and a 1 minute encode on a consumer level is negligible. but the cost of the i7 is about 300$ and the phenom II is about 100, for the i7 to be fully worth it it would need to be 300% better minimum (my math is a 100$ phenom x 300% = 300$, i may not be saying it right but that's what i mean) but in most cases, its only 2x faster, many coming down to a 1.5 level.

i don't want to get onto this topic here, but i did.

richboyliang6990 costs $699.0, anyone got a guess for the 7990?


well id i'm thinking right and reading right, the die size on these things are larger than the 6990 so in all likely ness it would cost more than it.
December 19, 2011 5:41:22 AM

what makes you think the prices will go down? both company still have $700 gpus in the market.
December 19, 2011 6:13:16 AM

All the hype. Let's hope that it won't be a disappointment.
December 19, 2011 6:25:59 AM

NICE! Amd is not playing around this time Nvidia will need to watch out i predict the 7990 is going to be the fastest video card in the world just like the 6990 and 5970 was at their times. If Amd knows how to do one thing its make fantastic graphics cards. I CANT WAIT. I kinda feel like a kid at Christmas time i wasn't going to get a new video card because my Amd 6950 is already A Beast but i might reconsider if the price is right. I might just wait until Nvidia comes out with their new cards so the prices will fall a little on these.

But enough about me, I really hope that last slide about the tessellation performance is TRUE and not a marketing slide like BD. Amd Please don't fail me again make this a series Amd fans wont forget and i mean that in a Good way. Oh yeah Toms nice article as always!
December 19, 2011 6:28:47 AM

glad my new MOBO is PCIe3 capable!
December 19, 2011 6:44:36 AM

This is about it, I've read more than enough gutter crap to say people that use computers are about the most stupid branch of the human race. This is the last time I bother to read or post because why try to teach the unteachable! Why try to tell them they are driving into a wall at 200mph but wouldn't stop anyway, this is it!

Actually AMD's cpu's with the right optimizing software and with a windows patch will give their cpu's a fighting chance. One thing that isn't made to clear is the benchmark tests are using older software on the poor marks and does pretty good with newer programs that are still optimized for intel software and windows has a few updates to put out that will give it a nice boost with it alone giving 5 to 10% performance boosts not including the coding that will help give it even more speed. Their CPU's are not slow by any means if you can think past the obvious parts that aren't brought out with the software they are testing them with. Sites that have done tests with beta windows 8 has shown this one fact that isn't mentioned very much. Add the fact that newer software is going more and more multi threaded and AMD's cpu's have pretty good performance.
They are designed for the future more than the past but most people can't think past their nose to see this. AMD had the same bullshit thrown at them when they came out with a 64bit cpu and used the lower clocked but more effient cpu while everyone was creaming their jeans over the P4's huge clock speeds that it could never run at for very long.
AMD has it's drawbacks with single threading that they need to work on but they took a better look at where software is heading in the future, not where it's been, and have a good idea that needs fine turning. Most new games are getting so huge and complex that muti threading is becoming standard. In this area AMD can keep up with Intel in a lot of area's even when they are running software that is optimized for the Intel design. Once they take AMD's design into account it will give good numbers to be sure. Add a reworked OS and it will be able to hold it's own in the range it was designed to fill. People are so thick it's very frustrating to read a lot of the crap thrown around here.
With everything being equal, software optimized and windows working with this new design now it would more than give it's target cpus a good run for the money. And if you keep bashing AMD and moronic fools let them slip farther from not enough income for increasing their line of cpu's you can shoot yourself in the foot and cry as you have to pay 1k per cpu from Intel because they WILL rake everyone over the coals if AMD is no longer helping keep the prices down.
Man, I get so sick of seeing people walk gladly over the cliff because they can't see what is just around the corner if they don't start thinking straight. Shesh, most of you deserve the reaming your steering yourselves into with this attitude of me first and damm what comes next.
Because when it really comes down to home use any of todays cpu's are more than fast enough to run anything you want to throw at them and your just walking a benchmark induced high that will have quite the sticker shock when it comes around to blind side the near sighted fools if AMD can't get enough income to do any real R&D improvements to their line of products. Everyone will pay for it in the long run but no one is smart enough to see this. It takes brains and a bit of a long view to see the inevitable.
But most people can't think in patterns, or even think past next weekend for that matter. And Intel knew how to pull your strings as well as everyone else's as they blindsided the market with mafia style business ethics and didn't care about lawsuits because they knew they could ride out the wave. Most people were still wondering if AMD was compatible with their cpu's and the hardware sites had Intel inside plastered all over their sites and were pushing that P4 piece of crap while trying to figure out what AMD's P3000 was as fast as the number said it was. The hardware sites had a lot of fun with that one when AMD had the best cpu out. It was and is a very bad and sick joke to watch everyone screw themselves as people tend to do. It's a very long and predictable trait that most people have that keeps getting the world into one screw up after the next.
When they say Intel inside it will come to mean bend over so we can take a look at it once the doctor removes it from the idiots rear end.
December 19, 2011 7:23:18 AM

so with this next gen gpu coming from both red and green (soon), for all the unbelievable raw power in it, it is about the time games have to much more gpgpu processing, physic and teselation comes into play to create the most realistic dynamic world other than just a scripted world. i want to see that,, beyond graphics. that is what gpu for, for a gamer.
December 19, 2011 8:07:27 AM

I like that there is not currently any rambus coming out perhaps that will come out in revisions after Kepler comes out shin0bi272 thanks for that link it is almost a little scary to think of that much GPU to Play console ports and terribly optimized games but I guess that is where the brute force parts are needed.
December 19, 2011 8:41:04 AM

In the mean time, Nvidia only plan to launch their flagship Kepler almost a year later.....No direct competition between these 2 SUCKS. A reason why 7970 is charging for $700.
December 19, 2011 8:57:25 AM

If it can do Metro 2033 max settings 2560x1600 @60fps I'll pay $700 for it. But I highly dought it. Prove me wrong AMD and take my money. I LOVE TESSELLATION!
December 19, 2011 9:11:26 AM

SwolernIf it can do Metro 2033 max settings 2560x1600 @60fps I'll pay $700 for it. But I highly dought it. Prove me wrong AMD and take my money. I LOVE TESSELLATION!

according to the slides they have much better tesselation, many rumors say that the 7970 is nearly equal to the 6990 so probably the 7990 will be about 1.75-1.9x more powerful than the 6990

just remember to turn on the factory overclock
December 19, 2011 9:44:09 AM

zachusaman"quality processors" not really, the processor division is really lacking in quality, but they make up for it in price for the most part... right now, the AMD processor divisions best goal is simply keeping intels prices to a semi decent level.


Really? Have you had a lot of AMD processors fail on you recently? I think you are getting quality and speed mixed up. As for speed, they are still within the same realm. For most users that is "fast enough". Learn to see the spread of processors from both companies as a scale. For some people, it makes sense to go with an AMD chip - simply based on motherboard prices alone.
December 19, 2011 9:53:47 AM

NVIDIA Skipping GeForce 600 Series - GTX 780 Performance, performance increase by 120% over gtx 580, just need when its going to be out.
December 19, 2011 9:55:06 AM

The third slide down, at the bottom says "Maximum Displays" it's then followed by 6. Am I missing something here, the card only has 5 outputs. Does this hint that perhaps this generation will support Eyefinity outputs from multiple cards?
December 19, 2011 10:33:21 AM

punnarAll the hype. Let's hope that it won't be a disappointment.

Though AMD, most of the time fails in CPU's, they never fail in GPU's (of course also in their new APU's)
December 19, 2011 11:15:10 AM

a4mulaThe third slide down, at the bottom says "Maximum Displays" it's then followed by 6. Am I missing something here, the card only has 5 outputs. Does this hint that perhaps this generation will support Eyefinity outputs from multiple cards?


I saw 4 outputs, two of which are mini display ports, which can send video to two displays each.
2 + 2*2 = 6 displays.
December 19, 2011 11:43:23 AM

Best part seems to be idle power usage! 3 wat is guite low number for highend GPU... Otherwise guite nice upgrade considering that production node and gpu architecture both change at the same time.
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December 19, 2011 11:53:06 AM

cool! the card designs are pretty impressive for reference design. dual bios, all ports at the bottom, (rumored) new cooling system. like it. hopefully it won't suck.
'never settle' made me chuckle. that's what zambezi buyers had to do. hopefully the same thing won't happen with the gfx card considering how good the 6xxx (6850 <3) is.
edit: rest of the msg got cut before.
December 19, 2011 12:39:15 PM

fryeNo XDR2 RAM?

That alone makes it worth buying, anything that stops Rambus from getting any money has to be good
December 19, 2011 12:45:48 PM

If it can get me 60fps at 2560x1440 with ultra settings in Battlefield 3 then I'm down.
December 19, 2011 12:48:29 PM

srsly..i hate the design of the cooler and fan... theese "blowers" make to much noise :( . In the rest, keep up the good work AMD
December 19, 2011 12:55:58 PM

I'm psyched to see new stuff coming in, not so much with the high end prices.
December 19, 2011 12:56:11 PM

vaughn2kThough AMD, most of the time fails in CPU's, they never fail in GPU's (of course also in their new APU's)


You mean ATI never fail in GPu remmember amd never maked gpu, so lets see if they are going to continue the tradition or make it fail like in cpu.
December 19, 2011 1:03:41 PM

While blowers make a little noise they offer much better cooling per dollar before going passive, or with a near silent aftermarket cooler. Besides, blowers have come a long way at getting quieter. the one on my 570 is much much quieter than the one that was on my 9800. Not silent, but very acceptable, and it does not get any louder except under the heaviest of loads.

Anywho, the new AMD cards look sweet! Glad they are finally allowing for a full vent on back, I always thought that was odd before. Duel BIOS sounds like it is more to say they have it than being useful. 6 monitor out sounds neat until you realize that the crack goes down the middle like a duel monitor setup. 3, 5, 7, and 9 are the only real setups that matter until windows begins allowing for more than 9 monitors. Glad they stuck with normal RAM, as rambus always seems to stab their customers in the back before things are all said and done. Performance stats look good, but I'm not going to get hot and bothered about performance until I see real world tests. Also cant wait for the 600 series from nVidia as those should be pretty awesome as well.
December 19, 2011 1:17:09 PM

If those benchmarks are even close to accurate...WOW!! That's some serious improvement in the chip architecture. I think this was what willis was talkin bout :D 
December 19, 2011 1:25:35 PM

Why is it that they bother with ANY plugs beyond Mini Display Port? These ports are obviously the smallest (or at least a better shape than HDMI) and my Sapphire 5870 2GB Eyefinity from 2 generations ago, has 6 monitor ports, and all 6 are located in a single file Row, occupying a single slot. There is really no reason i can think of to not make this a standard as adapters can convert to DVI, HDMI, VGA and they cost these manufacturers next to nothing to produce. I personally think the monitor industry will be migrating to this technology as the standard, I'm the furthest thing from an apple fan as i hate how the company is arrogant and their business practices but they do have it right and have proved that this is a powerful, multi-functional standard (Thunderbolt, etc) I'm running 3x24" monitors in eyefinity @ 5760x1080, None have DisplayPort Adapters but Sapphire included many passive adapters to suit most users needs (2xDVI, 2xHDMI, 2xVGA) So if you want to use more than 2 displays, you will need all monitors beyond the first 2 to be Display Port or have an Active DisplayPort adapter otherwise your computer will not recognize these monitors. I found adapters by Sapphire that work amazingly and very inexpensive relatively. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
December 19, 2011 1:26:54 PM

a4mula said:
The third slide down, at the bottom says "Maximum Displays" it's then followed by 6. Am I missing something here, the card only has 5 outputs. Does this hint that perhaps this generation will support Eyefinity outputs from multiple cards?


I am not 100% sure, but I think that you can blug 3 monitors to each DB port via adapter... Have to check out.
December 19, 2011 1:33:33 PM

Finally, however what gets me is PCI-exp 3!!! and no AMD motherboard that supports it. Will see how it will work with PCe 2.1
December 19, 2011 1:48:53 PM

I think Anandtech had an article saying AMD drivers will support Eyeinfinity in crossfire and 3D in crossfire too. They are really focusing on it because the new high end cards can have 3gb Vram so they better find a way to use it all.
December 19, 2011 2:35:20 PM

I wonder what the performance lose would be if using a PCI-e 3.0 card on a PCI-e 2.0 Motherboard????
December 19, 2011 2:52:45 PM

Yup I also play at 2650 X 1600 and although my 570 rolls hard, I wouldn't mind more power. :D 
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December 19, 2011 2:53:48 PM

SO many people fail at math. Looking at the slides, they are about 50% faster than the previous gen. This does not mean 150% FASTER, it means 50% faster or 150% of current speeds. The article needs corrected and a lot of people posting need to learn math
December 19, 2011 2:55:57 PM

No XDR2 is very disappointing :( 
December 19, 2011 3:42:09 PM

The 28nm die shrink seems to allow for a 70% increase in transistors in the same die space. Which is a sort of "duh" to those who are better at math than I am, I'm sure.

Stating more obvious stuff... since clockspeed wasn't lowered, AMD's fed the card with proper memory bandwidth, and there generally doesn't seem to be anything strange going on with this new GPU in general.... I think it's somewhat safe to say that it'll show a 70% performance increase vs the 6970.
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