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December 28, 2011 7:12:27 AM

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December 28, 2011 7:18:45 AM

mind=blown
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December 28, 2011 7:20:27 AM

Tom has a review for the HD 7970, just like those sites... We are talking about two unreleased cards coming up down the road.
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December 28, 2011 7:28:08 AM

here to seeing the 7950 be more powerful than the 6970(hopefully) :) 
December 28, 2011 7:34:45 AM

LOL DjEaZy HaHa what an idiot. Haha you dumb hater
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December 28, 2011 7:37:48 AM

cool!
i'd love to see 2 gb and 1 gb versions of 7950, 7870and 7850. would be cheaper than the flagship 3 gb ones and fall right into my budget....*dreams*
December 28, 2011 8:07:52 AM

I cannot wait until dual-gpu cards become more mainstream, and games utilize the power.
December 28, 2011 8:18:28 AM

I'm sure everyone will agree (if they have seen the 7970 reviews) that these new AMD cards are indeed amazing.

Although as expected, AMD will probably charge up the butt for such high-end cards, much like Nvidia has done in the past.
December 28, 2011 8:27:40 AM

Can't say I disagree with the pricing policy - AMD has to make money, afterall. But I'm not going to be able to pay so much for these cards, specially considering I live in Brasil and I'd have to pay 50% minimum on top of that (and that would be through shady means alraedy).

:( 
Anonymous
December 28, 2011 8:59:54 AM

(saying 'OMG' repetitively and running around the lounge room in circles)
December 28, 2011 9:16:52 AM

ZehCan't say I disagree with the pricing policy - AMD has to make money, afterall. But I'm not going to be able to pay so much for these cards, specially considering I live in Brasil and I'd have to pay 50% minimum on top of that (and that would be through shady means alraedy).

It really is good pricing that Radeon has done with the 7970 cause we must take into account that the Nvidia 580s that have a 3gb frame buffer are even more money than a vanilla 3gb 7970.
December 28, 2011 9:17:02 AM

the competition doesn't use blowers, it uses large fans (the last picture)
December 28, 2011 9:28:20 AM

The competition does use blowers, it's the other manufacturers that have their own patented and customized cooling systems. Nvidia and AMD/ATI basically work only on the Small fan blower systems for their Main designs.
December 28, 2011 9:36:58 AM

JOSHSKORNI cannot wait until dual-gpu cards become more mainstream, and games utilize the power.


I hope they never do. The only reason that a dual GPU card exists is just bragging rights. If you're actually looking for the price range of a dual GPU card and your computer is able to do SLI or crossfire.

And I shudder at the thought of the game are quite eerie dual GPU. I really hope the days of a crysis like game where we can't play it at max graphics for years is never to come around again.

Note that on PC gaming was… More popular than console gaming… At least more supported… It was actually viable for you to buy a new GPU every six months because the games requiring more and more power. I believe the very end of this was crysis, I can't think of any game that required more than that after it.

See the problem with crisis was that the engine was very an optimized and was honestly abysmal, you can see this best crysis 2 where he will push all crysis level graphics on the consoles, yet you are playing the original crysis on console level hardware, I really doubt you could play it much beyond low.

We have forgot the remake of cyisis for the consoles, where the textures aside it pushed very impressive graphics considering the consoles hardware.

I personally do not believe that any game should ever be made beyond what's available today in a single card configuration. I believe multi-card should be used to increase the FPS and extra crap like an insane resolution adding insane anti-aliasing I don't believe the game should have been made with the thought that someone is going to put two or three graphics cards in the system.

Basically what I'm saying is I want the engines the games run on to be refined, I don't want them to go brute force like they did in the past. If there is one thing I can think the consoles for, if they ended the era of brute forcing for games.

joytech22I'm sure everyone will agree (if they have seen the 7970 reviews) that these new AMD cards are indeed amazing.Although as expected, AMD will probably charge up the butt for such high-end cards, much like Nvidia has done in the past.


there really amazing, the die size on the 7970 is bigger than its equivalent 6XXX card, and it's a die shrink. Not only do the math right now because it's almost 6 AM, but I expected more performance from these cards, sure it might just be drivers and apparently these cards going to go a lot faster as time goes on I expected a bit more considering how much is in these cards.

December 28, 2011 9:40:22 AM

lol "4x competitive solution" and the colors
December 28, 2011 10:15:18 AM

Noting a mild typo: it suggests 62 compute units, when, assuming the 7990 has two full GPUs with 2048 SPs, 256 TMUs and 64 ROPs, it'd have 64 compute units enabled. (as each Tahiti core has 32)

Also, I'm even more crossing my fingers for the 7850 & 7870... The big question is, will they ALSO use GCN, or will we get saddled with VLIW4, basically making them little other than a slightly cheaper 6950/70? These benchmarks, even with preliminary drivers, are showing us just what a phenomenal leap forward GCN is providing: in terms of simple "raw" compute power, the 7970 isn't a whole huge leap above the 6970, as it only has 33% more compute units, and a ~5% bump in clock rate. In spite of the modest (~40% total) increase in raw power, and being hampered by PRELIMINARY drivers, we're seeing typically a 50-60% performance gain over the prior generation, indicating that GCN is seriously more efficient.

That, and the GPGPU benchmarks are boasting even higher improvements, suggesting that GCN fixed the double-precision failings of VLIW4, where it took 4 SPs to get enough parts for a DP FMA unit, when it wouldn't have been that hard/costly to make it take only 2 SPs. If a 7850/7870 can get this benefit, it'll partially help offset the rumored MSRPs, which ARE higher than for the prior generation.
DjEaZyhttp://www.guru3d.com/article/amd- [...] 70-review/http://www.techspot.com/review/481 [...] age11.html... how comes, that they haz the reviews, but TOM's talk just about leaks?

The irony here is that these two were ALSO beaten to the punch by Tom's.... The guru3D article may have been the same day, but I recall it came up mid-day, whereas Mr. Woligrowski got the Tom's article up at midnight sharp. And the TechSpot article was 5 days late. And it appears Toms' went to painful extents to be far more complete than either... A commendable action given how scarce the info they had to go on other than having a sample card with glitchy drivers in their hand.
December 28, 2011 10:24:08 AM

i have 600 bucks cash sitting in my bottom draw that i have been umming and ahhhing between getting a 570 or a 6770 for months but i thought, ill wait JUST GET THE 7970's IN THE SHOPS ALREADY
im bustin here
December 28, 2011 10:29:43 AM

notthekingNoting a mild typo: it suggests 62 compute units, when, assuming the 7990 has two full GPUs with 2048 SPs, 256 TMUs and 64 ROPs, it'd have 64 compute units enabled. (as each Tahiti core has 32)Also, I'm even more crossing my fingers for the 7850 & 7870... The big question is, will they ALSO use GCN, or will we get saddled with VLIW4, basically making them little other than a slightly cheaper 6950/70? These benchmarks, even with preliminary drivers, are showing us just what a phenomenal leap forward GCN is providing: in terms of simple "raw" compute power, the 7970 isn't a whole huge leap above the 6970, as it only has 33% more compute units, and a ~5% bump in clock rate. In spite of the modest (~40% total) increase in raw power, and being hampered by PRELIMINARY drivers, we're seeing typically a 50-60% performance gain over the prior generation, indicating that GCN is seriously more efficient.That, and the GPGPU benchmarks are boasting even higher improvements, suggesting that GCN fixed the double-precision failings of VLIW4, where it took 4 SPs to get enough parts for a DP FMA unit, when it wouldn't have been that hard/costly to make it take only 2 SPs. If a 7850/7870 can get this benefit, it'll partially help offset the rumored MSRPs, which ARE higher than for the prior generation.The irony here is that these two were ALSO beaten to the punch by Tom's.... The guru3D article may have been the same day, but I recall it came up mid-day, whereas Mr. Woligrowski got the Tom's article up at midnight sharp. And the TechSpot article was 5 days late. And it appears Toms' went to painful extents to be far more complete than either... A commendable action given how scarce the info they had to go on other than having a sample card with glitchy drivers in their hand.

I don't see how a pre released 7970 with " Glitched drivers " as you put it is a bad thing considering it was still marketably ahead of GTX 580. Even so all this means is great things are to come when Radeon is already on top with pre release cards and drivers just imagine how much better it will get with Mature drivers and time.
Anonymous
December 28, 2011 10:39:27 AM

7990 = Beast

no, wait.

7990 = Entire herd of Beasts

alidan: "I personally do not believe that any game should ever be made beyond what's available today in a single card configuration"

AAA titles take 18 months to crank out, shouldn't the "ULTRA" settings be designed for cards that will be out 1.5 years later? Software pushes hardware, hardware pushes software. That's how we move forward. If you don't like it just use Medium or Low textures in your games. simple.
December 28, 2011 10:43:35 AM

gp1797990 = Beastno, wait.7990 = Entire herd of Beastsalidan: "I personally do not believe that any game should ever be made beyond what's available today in a single card configuration"AAA titles take 18 months to crank out, shouldn't the "ULTRA" settings be designed for cards that will be out 1.5 years later? Software pushes hardware, hardware pushes software. That's how we move forward. If you don't like it just use Medium or Low textures in your games. simple.

I agree 1up^ and plus dual cards make games just look all around better than a single GPU can muster.
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December 28, 2011 10:43:47 AM

JOSHSKORNI cannot wait until dual-gpu cards become more mainstream, and games utilize the power.


They will never become "more mainstream". Single card tech improves to fast.
December 28, 2011 10:47:46 AM

NovuakeThey will never become "more mainstream". Single card tech improves to fast.

Well they certainly have since the GTX295 and 4850x2 days.
December 28, 2011 11:00:01 AM

lostmyclanlol level 580 can do better than a 7970 =) i will go buy a nvidia for this time.

From the benches we have all seen so far the GTX580 is no match for the 7970.
December 28, 2011 11:09:19 AM

Any chance there will be a 7930 a low clocked and some shader locked 7970/7950?
December 28, 2011 11:16:25 AM

Headspin_69I don't see how a pre released 7970 with " Glitched drivers " as you put it is a bad thing considering it was still marketably ahead of GTX 580. Even so all this means is great things are to come when Radeon is already on top with pre release cards and drivers just imagine how much better it will get with Mature drivers and time.

I'm hoping that he meant more "immature" than glitched, unless he's talking from a biased standpoint, which is all to common in any person here.

That aside, the 7990 looks like it should really be a beast. One issue I have is how available this card will be and the pricing on it. Also, will the 7990 stay competitive with the 580 in regards to pricing until the 700 series comes along and shows its face? Or will it show more supply/demand type situational pricing? There are still a number of good cards/solutions, for good pricing. Don't get me wrong, as I love the way technology advances, but, a pair of sub-$200 cards xfired, or SLI'd can show similar performance for far less money. $150 can literally buy you a 6 core processor now. It can buy a motherboard, a good memory kit, etc. That extra doe may be spent more for bragging rights, sure, but, IMO, Radeon hasn't been exactly showing dominance in the video card market as of late, and should probably look at gaining market share, as opposed to gaining a few extra bucks. When Nvidia's new cards come out, however, I'm sure they'll be happy to just up the price on things, and do their normal renaming of previous generations. Does it make sense? sure, as, at this point in time, odds are the features won't be too noticeable by the "average joe."

Anyways, this new series shows a lot of promise in regards to future performance. Now, where will we be in 5 years with regards to this? I think a lot of that lays on software developers shoulders, as, if we can't utilize some of this new tech, us benchmarkers, as well as rich people, are gonna be the only 2 groups looking at new cards since the older generations are gonna be able to hold their weight. How many people care if you're getting 75 frames/second or 175? You're not gonna notice. These guys have to make us want these cards. Best way? Make us see the difference.
December 28, 2011 11:25:56 AM

So, the XDR & changeover from SIMD to MIMD rumour was just that, a rumour.

Had AMD done it, it would forced nVIDIA to do something similar, but neither company wants to make a real move and be at the forefront of a new GPU revolution.

To me, it seems like they are both sitting on their laurels, and that's something you're not supposed to do!
December 28, 2011 11:35:38 AM

AMD_pitbullI'm hoping that he meant more "immature" than glitched, unless he's talking from a biased standpoint, which is all to common in any person here.That aside, the 7990 looks like it should really be a beast. One issue I have is how available this card will be and the pricing on it. Also, will the 7990 stay competitive with the 580 in regards to pricing until the 700 series comes along and shows its face? Or will it show more supply/demand type situational pricing? There are still a number of good cards/solutions, for good pricing. Don't get me wrong, as I love the way technology advances, but, a pair of sub-$200 cards xfired, or SLI'd can show similar performance for far less money. $150 can literally buy you a 6 core processor now. It can buy a motherboard, a good memory kit, etc. That extra doe may be spent more for bragging rights, sure, but, IMO, Radeon hasn't been exactly showing dominance in the video card market as of late, and should probably look at gaining market share, as opposed to gaining a few extra bucks. When Nvidia's new cards come out, however, I'm sure they'll be happy to just up the price on things, and do their normal renaming of previous generations. Does it make sense? sure, as, at this point in time, odds are the features won't be too noticeable by the "average joe." Anyways, this new series shows a lot of promise in regards to future performance. Now, where will we be in 5 years with regards to this? I think a lot of that lays on software developers shoulders, as, if we can't utilize some of this new tech, us benchmarkers, as well as rich people, are gonna be the only 2 groups looking at new cards since the older generations are gonna be able to hold their weight. How many people care if you're getting 75 frames/second or 175? You're not gonna notice. These guys have to make us want these cards. Best way? Make us see the difference.

Just for so there is no confusion I think you meant 7970 because 7990 is a dual GPU board competition for GTX 590 and as far as glitched drivers so far I want some because these so called glitched drivers that arnt glitched make the new 7970 outperform a GTX 580 LOL. I wonder what the fixed mature drivers are going to be like if the 7970 is already putting the hurt on the 580 with these quasi glitched drivers LOL.
December 28, 2011 1:12:11 PM

How much is HD 7990 going to cost if it's twice as powerful as HD 7970 which will be $550?

Also, 6 GB GDDR5? Mind = blown.
December 28, 2011 1:41:36 PM

Good for AMD, i love the pricing as well. (obviously i'd love to get one for a fraction of the cost) but having the most powerful single GPU, they deserve to bring in some revenue until Nvidia can release their next gen GPU's to catch up. At those higher prices, they will still sell JUST as fast as people want the best and are willing to pay for it now.
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December 28, 2011 1:44:52 PM

sublime2k said:
How much is HD 7990 going to cost if it's twice as powerful as HD 7970 which will be $550?

Also, 6 GB GDDR5? Mind = blown.

around $700 msrp...
6 gb is the mathematical total. in reality each gpu has 3 gb gddr5 in cfx on a single pcb.
December 28, 2011 1:54:24 PM

Personally, I'd never buy a dual-gpu card unless it was exactly double their flagship single-gpu card in every possible way, and... I could put it on water w/o too much delay in waiting for its custom water block. I've gotten used to the "quiet" and won't go back! :D 

Obviously, there are still many people out there who would benefit from a single card setup having 2 gpu's on it... that's why I started off with the word "Personally..." so bear in mind I'm talking about myself. I wanted to make that clear because there's some little children trolling the 1st page of comments :p 
December 28, 2011 2:01:04 PM

clonazepamPersonally, I'd never buy a dual-gpu card unless it was exactly double their flagship single-gpu card in every possible way, and... I could put it on water w/o too much delay in waiting for its custom water block. I've gotten used to the "quiet" and won't go back! Obviously, there are still many people out there who would benefit from a single card setup having 2 gpu's on it... that's why I started off with the word "Personally..." so bear in mind I'm talking about myself. I wanted to make that clear because there's some little children trolling the 1st page of comments

Dual GPU cards have gotten allot better since the GTX 295 and 4850x2 and those were not all that bad to begin with other than there heat and noise output but those bugaboos have been somewhat rectified and will be even better with the new 28nm process Tahiti cards and kelper.
December 28, 2011 2:07:58 PM

I'm still running an older cpu. phenom ii 730 with my 4850. wondering how a 7970 or a 7950 would run in my comp. is toms gonna do a older cpu benchmark with these new current graphics cards?
December 28, 2011 2:15:04 PM

SLABBOI'm still running an older cpu. phenom ii 730 with my 4850. wondering how a 7970 or a 7950 would run in my comp. is toms gonna do a older cpu benchmark with these new current graphics cards?

I would just save yourself the headache and set yourself up with a proper CPU I had a Phenom II x3 720 and it sucked with my old 4890 CF rig back in 09 I had to upgrade to a Phenom II x4 940 the AMD flagship CPU of the time and then all was well.
December 28, 2011 2:15:56 PM

Too bad AMD couldn't do this with Bulldo
December 28, 2011 2:41:38 PM

sublime2kHow much is HD 7990 going to cost if it's twice as powerful as HD 7970 which will be $550?Also, 6 GB GDDR5? Mind = blown.

Count on $1000+ at first.

I am pleased to see the 7970 is doing well in the energy efficiency dept.
Its entirely possible that AMD was going with the XDR ram and then found it didn't work in their expected power envelope. They decided to switch to GDDR5 because it was familiar and it worked. But whatever the reason, I think the previews show that the wait was worth it.

I'd like to see aggressive pricing for the HD 7950, but I imagine we won't see that until 2nd quarter at least.
December 28, 2011 4:22:57 PM

Quote:
Count on $1000+ at first.


Thats most likely right estimation... So far 6990 has cost double the 6970. So 2*550$=1100$ And because 1100 does not not look too good, it will be 1099 or 1000 or 999$... more or less.
The 6990 cost in here 694€ and single 6970 344€ so two of them would be 2*344€=688€.


The 7850, 7870 and 7950 with 1.5 gb are more interesting cards... price vice
December 28, 2011 4:29:40 PM

My dual HD5970s are overkill in my rig, no reason whatsoever to upgrade, yet something still screams inside me that I should get MUST HAVE the HD7990.
December 28, 2011 4:53:26 PM

Nice cards. Too bad Bulldozer processors will probably bottleneck them.
December 28, 2011 4:56:49 PM

killbitsMy dual HD5970s are overkill in my rig, no reason whatsoever to upgrade, yet something still screams inside me that I should get MUST HAVE the HD7990.

7970 will indeed scale better than your current 5970 but like you said it's already Overkill mate you already have the best of the best of the best framerates and picture quality on the planet LOL.
December 28, 2011 5:05:34 PM

Well I only have single ATI 1800 and still I am just thinkin that maybe it would been soon time to upgrade... maybe... Some new games are getting a little bit too heavy for my old "warhorse", but not too many... Maybe I need to upgrade after win8 release? But more like somewhere after 2013 or 2014. I am guite sure, that about then there will be more games that needs more power than ATI 1800 can provide, maybe...
December 28, 2011 5:25:39 PM

hannibal said:
Well I only have single ATI 1800 and still I am just thinkin that maybe it would been soon time to upgrade... maybe... Some new games are getting a little bit too heavy for my old "warhorse", but not too many... Maybe I need to upgrade after win8 release? But more like somewhere after 2013 or 2014. I am guite sure, that about then there will be more games that needs more power than ATI 1800 can provide, maybe...

OHHH that card is already to much just stick with it because it is already to much power LOL
December 28, 2011 6:18:50 PM

Headspin_69 said:
OHHH that card is already to much just stick with it because it is already to much power LOL


Yes I know. it eats so much power that it can warm my deparment even in the winter time :-)
It is allmost scary to look those temp that my good ole 1800 can produce! 90C is nothing! Thats why I have a mini nuclear reactor to feed this thermodynamic beast!
My old Antec 550 wat died in the task of warming up my house, so I had to buy new 850 wat version. Hopefully it is enough to 1800... keeping my fingers crossed!

:sarcastic: 
December 28, 2011 6:22:47 PM

hannibal said:
Yes I know. it eats so much power that it can warm my deparment even in the winter time :-)
It is allmost scary to look those temp that my good ole 1800 can produce! 90C is nothing! Thats why I have a mini nuclear reactor to feed this thermodynamic beast!
My old Antec 550 wat died in the task of warming up my house, so I had to buy new 850 wat version. Hopefully it is enough to 1800... keeping my fingers crossed!

:sarcastic: 

1800oC LOL
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