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"leo" <dusty-roads@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>I just downloaded the trial version, and have not tried it yet, but with
>that price range, I doubt that I will get it. I will probably use
>Tempgenc...Just tell me what else I need beside Tmpgenc to burn
>DVD's...Does it capture video and encode it or does it just author my
>encoded video from Premiere, do you know?
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> Leo
tmpgenc is just a transcoder. You'll still need the authoring software and
then something to burn with. I believe that Nero 6 _may_ be able to do
limited authoring. I use it for burning, only.
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> "PTRAVEL" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> wrote in message
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>> "leo" <dusty-roads@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>> Hopefully, this will be the last reply to you, since you might be busy
>>> or whatever, How much is encore and which Tmpgenc to use, since there
>>> are two of them, one is for author and the other is LAB or something
>>> like that. Yes, I like to have the best quality DVDs, I also have a 30
>>> minute show on public access, so I do want quality.
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>> No problem. My wife is in the home theater watching a movie I don't want
>> to see, so I'm in my video editing room/office/music studio just foolin'
>> around 'til it's time for bed.
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>> This is the version of tmpgenc that I use:
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http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tp.html
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>> I've been using it for about 2 years, now, so I really don't remember how
>> much I paid for it. I think it was around $40 or so.
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>> Encore is, unfortunately, a very pricey program. It retails for
>> something like $549. Unless you want to do fairly elaborate DVDs (lots
>> of menus, 5.1 surround sound, subtitles, etc.) you may not need it.
>> Tmpgenc is money well spent, as it is reasonably priced and does a
>> superior job. I wouldn't recommend Encore unless you specifically need
>> the features -- there really isn't any quality difference in the final
>> product between authoring programs.
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>>> "PTRAVEL" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "leo" <dusty-roads@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> Great, PTRAVEL, one more if you please.....I have MyDVD and DVDit on
>>>>> my computer, (MyDVD came with Dell computer) I like DVDit because I
>>>>> like the way I can put background color and menu, but, seriously which
>>>>> one would you suggest to upgrade. I want to stay withing 100 dollars.
>>>>> I rather not go to different applications, if I can have Premiere do
>>>>> the encoding and either MYDVD or DVDit do the authority and burning.
>>>>> I was thinking about getting Tmpgenc, if it can do all the authority
>>>>> and encoding too.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortuantely, I'm not familiar enough with either product to make a
>>>> recommendation. Before I got Encore, I was using another semi-pro
>>>> product by Pinnacle called Impression. When it comes to video
>>>> software, I've always been something of a control freak, and I've never
>>>> liked the over-simplified interfaces of the purely-consumer products.
>>>> I suspect, though, that, as long as they can accept mpeg files that
>>>> have been transcoded by another source, either one would be fine.
>>>> Authoring software is, compared to all the other steps in the video
>>>> process, relatively simple. Where on program will outshine another is
>>>> flexibility and ease of use. For example, in Encore, I can create a
>>>> menu background in Photoshop, import it into Encore, add buttons,
>>>> export the result back to Photoshop and modify the buttons to my
>>>> heart's content, bring it back to Encore and customize the button
>>>> navigation and actions. It's extremely easy to do moving background
>>>> menus, thumbnail buttons, etc. In a relatively short period of time, I
>>>> can create a relatively complicated DVD. If you're not doing things
>>>> like that, then all you need is a program that is capable of basic menu
>>>> generation and DVD file formatting,.
>>>>
>>>> I would, though, strongly recommend tmpgenc over transcoding in
>>>> Premiere. The difference really is quite visible, and if, like me,
>>>> you're creating projects that you'll want to watch 10 or 20 years from
>>>> now, it's worth it to spend a little extra effort to get better
>>>> quality.
>>>>
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>>>>> "PTRAVEL" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> "leo" <dusty-roads@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Very good on what you say. one last one though.....I heard that at
>>>>>>> least one menu is needed to when you burn a DVD, some of the
>>>>>>> Authority programs always start with two menu or chapters, I only
>>>>>>> want one menu with text, i.e., I just need a colorful background
>>>>>>> and some text to introduce the name of my video.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No menu is needed. Just designate the video as "first play" and the
>>>>>> DVD will run just like a tape on a VCR. You also don't need
>>>>>> chapters, though you can put them in using Premiere. If you do, you
>>>>>> still don't need a menu -- the chapter button will work just fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a long time, I burned all my DVDs this way. It's only relatively
>>>>>> recently (actually, since I got Encore) that I've started using
>>>>>> menus.
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>>>>>>> "PTRAVEL" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> "leo" <dusty-roads@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>> Good infomation here, but just some clarifications, Instead of
>>>>>>>>> using Premiere for transcoding to MPEG-2 it would be better to
>>>>>>>>> use Tempgenc and Adobe Encore for authoring to burn the DVD. So
>>>>>>>>> there two processes for making DVD's Transcoding and Authoring,
>>>>>>>>> right?...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right. Transcoding is the process of recompressing using a
>>>>>>>> specified codec. Authoring is the process of creating files in the
>>>>>>>> necessary format to conform to the DVD spec. If you want to be
>>>>>>>> completely accurate, there is a third step -- burning. This last
>>>>>>>> step is unnecessary if, for example, you're sending your authored
>>>>>>>> files to a production house so that copies can be made.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can I author with Tempgenc too, I don't think I can afford Adobe
>>>>>>>>>Encore to author my DVD's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't have to use Encore for authoring -- it's overkill for
>>>>>>>> most people. Encore allows a lot of flexibility when it comes to
>>>>>>>> creating custom menus, video buttons, etc. DVDit should be fine
>>>>>>>> for most purposes. It can accept a transcoded mpeg2 file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tmpgenc doesn't author, though my recollection is that the same
>>>>>>>> company makes an authoring program. If you have DVDit, there's
>>>>>>>> really no reason to get other authoring software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One word of warning about tmpgenc -- when I said it's slow, it's
>>>>>>>> REALLY slow. As an example, a two-pass VBR transcode from a 2-hour
>>>>>>>> AVI can take 24 hours or more to transcode on my 3 GHz Pentium P4
>>>>>>>> machine with 512 meg of RAM. Tmpgenc can transcode faster, but you
>>>>>>>> won't get the same quality and, in that case, you might as well
>>>>>>>> transcode from within Premiere. A big advantage of tmpgenc is that
>>>>>>>> it has a very accurate size estimator -- you can pick your bitrate
>>>>>>>> based on the size of the target and be reasonably comfortable that
>>>>>>>> the resulting file will fit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Though tmpgenc is slow, I found it's worth the time it takes in
>>>>>>>> terms of the quality of output. I'll routinely spend 5 or 6 weeks
>>>>>>>> editing a 2-hour project (I only do this part time), so an extra 24
>>>>>>>> hours for transcoding doesn't mean very much. Tmpgenc is pretty
>>>>>>>> inexpensive -- as I recall, it was around $40 when I registered my
>>>>>>>> copy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to maximize my DVD quality, I use 2-pass VBR on anything
>>>>>>>> over an hour in length, 1-pass CBR with a minimum of 6 Mbs, but
>>>>>>>> sized in tmpgenc to the largest file that will fit a DVD-R, for
>>>>>>>> shorter projects. I bring in the transcoded file to Encore, but
>>>>>>>> don't transcode things like the opening production credit (which is
>>>>>>>> first play) and any video for moving menus or buttons. Encore will
>>>>>>>> transcode these automatically at the highest settings available
>>>>>>>> that will fit the remaining space on the DVD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The result is extremely high-quality video that exploits the
>>>>>>>> maximum storage space available on a DVD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Incidently, I burn DVDs using Nero 6, rather than from within
>>>>>>>> Encore. Adobe products tend to be a little flaky when it comes to
>>>>>>>> burning, whereas I've found Nero to be solid as a rock.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> "PTRAVEL" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>> "leo" <dusty-roads@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>> What is bit rate and where do you go to see what bit rate I am
>>>>>>>>>>> using? I have Premiere 6.5 and have done some MPEG-2 avi's which
>>>>>>>>>>> I use DVDit 2.5 LE to do my DVD. When finished they look almost
>>>>>>>>>>> as good as the original DV mini tape. I have a PD-150 also. Is
>>>>>>>>>>> there somewhere I can go to see what bit rate I am using. I
>>>>>>>>>>> have a Pinacle Studio DV Card!?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bitrate is a measure of how much data is being used to create
>>>>>>>>>> video. As a rule, the higher the bitrate, the lower the
>>>>>>>>>> compression and the better the image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The output of your PD-150 uses the DV-25 standard which outputs
>>>>>>>>>> data at 25 mbits per second (which works out to about 13
>>>>>>>>>> gigabytes per hour of video. Your Studio DV card is really
>>>>>>>>>> nothing more than an OHCI-compliant 1394/Firewire card -- it's a
>>>>>>>>>> port into your computer that lets you transfer digital files from
>>>>>>>>>> your PD-150 to your hard drive. Since there's no compression
>>>>>>>>>> involved in the capture process, the bit rate doesn't change (and
>>>>>>>>>> can't be changed).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you use Premiere to transcode to mpegs, you are actually
>>>>>>>>>> compressing the video. DV25 already introduces a compression
>>>>>>>>>> factor of 5.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The DVD spec has a maximum bitrate of 9.8 Mbps. This includes
>>>>>>>>>> both the audio portion and the video portion. Generally, you'll
>>>>>>>>>> want to limit your mpeg bitrate for DVD to 8 Mbps, leaving some
>>>>>>>>>> headroom for the audio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't transcode in Premiere (which uses the MainConcept mpeg
>>>>>>>>>> transcoder plugin), but instead use tmpgenc. tmpgenc is slower
>>>>>>>>>> than the MainConcept plugin, but allows more control over the
>>>>>>>>>> process and produces better video at its highest settings.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both MainConcept and tmpgenc allow you to choose between constant
>>>>>>>>>> bitrate (CBR) or multiple-pass variable
>>>>>>>>>> bitrate (VBR). CBR, as the name suggests, uses a single bitrate
>>>>>>>>>> for the entire project. VBR varies the rate depending upon the
>>>>>>>>>> need of each specific scene, based on an analysis performed
>>>>>>>>>> during one or more "passes" through the video file.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In order to fit 2 hours of video on a 4.7 Gbyte DVD, you'll need
>>>>>>>>>> a bitrate considerably lower than 8 Mbits. When I transcode
>>>>>>>>>> using CBR, I generally use something between 4.5 and 5 Mbs. If I
>>>>>>>>>> use VBR, I use an average of 6, with a peak of 7. Bitrates much
>>>>>>>>>> below 4.5 Mbs will not produce particularly satisfying results.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I use a program called Bitrate Viewer, which can analyze an mpeg2
>>>>>>>>>> file and graphically display the bitrates used. Unfortuantely, I
>>>>>>>>>> can't recall where I got it, but if you google the program name
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you can find it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Using tmpgenc for transcoding and Adobe Encore for authoring, I
>>>>>>>>>> can produce DVDs that are, for all intents and purposes,
>>>>>>>>>> indistinguishable from the original AVI on anything other than a
>>>>>>>>>> production-quality studio monitor.
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