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Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows Explorer?
Why doesn't it play?
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C and A Bredt

 

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Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?


If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far larger than
the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently allow - although
the new double layer format will change that.
If you're talking about a DVD you've burned yourself, you can do it. Just
burn it as a "data" disk, not the "make DVD" option or whatever Nero/Roxio,
etc. call it. I burn all my DVDs this way using RecordNow. I "prepare" the
DVD (that is, create the VIDEO_TS & AUDIO_TS folders), drop those on
RecordNow and burn as a "data" disk.

Mike

 

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"Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
> > Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
> > Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>
>
> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far larger than
> the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently allow - although
> the new double layer format will change that.
> If you're talking about a DVD you've burned yourself, you can do it. Just
> burn it as a "data" disk, not the "make DVD" option or whatever
Nero/Roxio,
> etc. call it. I burn all my DVDs this way using RecordNow. I "prepare"
the
> DVD (that is, create the VIDEO_TS & AUDIO_TS folders), drop those on
> RecordNow and burn as a "data" disk.
>
> Mike
>
May I suggest you add to the explanation a little about content scrambling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-scrambling_system

 

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Robert Morein wrote:
> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>>
>>
>> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far
>> larger than the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently
>> allow - although the new double layer format will change that.
>> If you're talking about a DVD you've burned yourself, you can do it.
>> Just burn it as a "data" disk, not the "make DVD" option or whatever
>> Nero/Roxio, etc. call it. I burn all my DVDs this way using
>> RecordNow. I "prepare" the DVD (that is, create the VIDEO_TS &
>> AUDIO_TS folders), drop those on RecordNow and burn as a "data" disk.
>>
>> Mike
>>
> May I suggest you add to the explanation a little about content
> scrambling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-scrambling_system


Why? With all the freeware to defeat any current copy protection system,
it's not an issue worth mentioning.

Mike

 

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"Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>
>
> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far larger than
> the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently allow - although
> the new double layer format will change that.



I wasn't aware of that .. even the DVD spec lists them as 4.7G. Where did
you get this info?

 

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> >>
> > May I suggest you add to the explanation a little about content
> > scrambling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-scrambling_system
>
>
> Why? With all the freeware to defeat any current copy protection system,
> it's not an issue worth mentioning.
>
> Mike

I suppose the only reason you'd mention it is that it directly answers the
original poster's question...

Z

 

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Zakalwe wrote:
>>> May I suggest you add to the explanation a little about content
>>> scrambling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-scrambling_system
>>
>>
>> Why? With all the freeware to defeat any current copy protection
>> system, it's not an issue worth mentioning.
>>
>> Mike
>
> I suppose the only reason you'd mention it is that it directly
> answers the original poster's question...
>
> Z


What the OP said was "Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
Explorer? Why doesn't it play?" Where do you see "copy protection"?

Mike

 

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a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>>
>>
>> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far
>> larger than the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently
>> allow - although the new double layer format will change that.
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware of that .. even the DVD spec lists them as 4.7G. Where
> did you get this info?


If you're referring to commercial DVDs, a typical Hollywood disc has far
more than data than the 4.7 GB a consumer DVD allows. If you're referring
to the new dual/double layer format, places like Meritline have had the 8.5
GB discs and burners advertised for some time now.

Mike

 

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"Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2ss8ntF1ogijcU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
>
> Zakalwe wrote:
> >>> May I suggest you add to the explanation a little about content
> >>> scrambling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-scrambling_system
> >>
> >>
> >> Why? With all the freeware to defeat any current copy protection
> >> system, it's not an issue worth mentioning.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >
> > I suppose the only reason you'd mention it is that it directly
> > answers the original poster's question...
> >
> > Z
>
>
> What the OP said was "Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?" Where do you see "copy protection"?
>
> Mike
>
It can be inferred from the question. May I suggest you use your excellent
powers of explanation for the poster's benefit.

 

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Robert Morein wrote:
> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:2ss8ntF1ogijcU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>
>> Zakalwe wrote:
>>>>> May I suggest you add to the explanation a little about content
>>>>> scrambling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-scrambling_system
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why? With all the freeware to defeat any current copy protection
>>>> system, it's not an issue worth mentioning.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>> I suppose the only reason you'd mention it is that it directly
>>> answers the original poster's question...
>>>
>>> Z
>>
>>
>> What the OP said was "Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using
>> Windows Explorer? Why doesn't it play?" Where do you see "copy
>> protection"?
>>
>> Mike
>>
> It can be inferred from the question. May I suggest you use your
> excellent powers of explanation for the poster's benefit.


As a corporate producer myself, maybe I don't want to help someone break the
copyright laws?

Mike

 

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The reason is that the DVD is encoded in a special format. To play the
DVD, you need special software on top of Windows Explorer. To copy the
DVD, you need dedicated copy software.


Gary Hendricks
www.desktop-video-guide.com

"Carol and Allen Bredt" <abredt@Xsocal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<KkZ9d.3077$nl4.2848@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows Explorer?
> Why doesn't it play?

 

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Mike Kujbida wrote:

> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>
>>Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>
>
>
> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far larger than
> the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently allow - although
> the new double layer format will change that.
> If you're talking about a DVD you've burned yourself, you can do it. Just
> burn it as a "data" disk, not the "make DVD" option or whatever Nero/Roxio,
> etc. call it. I burn all my DVDs this way using RecordNow. I "prepare" the
> DVD (that is, create the VIDEO_TS & AUDIO_TS folders), drop those on
> RecordNow and burn as a "data" disk.

Mike, are you aware that there is no data in the AUDIO TS folder? All
you need to copy is the VIDEO TS folder.

Gary Eickmeier

 

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Gary Eickmeier wrote:
> Mike Kujbida wrote:
>
>> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far
>> larger than the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently
>> allow - although the new double layer format will change that.
>> If you're talking about a DVD you've burned yourself, you can do it.
>> Just burn it as a "data" disk, not the "make DVD" option or whatever
>> Nero/Roxio, etc. call it. I burn all my DVDs this way using
>> RecordNow. I "prepare" the DVD (that is, create the VIDEO_TS &
>> AUDIO_TS folders), drop those on RecordNow and burn as a "data" disk.
>
> Mike, are you aware that there is no data in the AUDIO TS folder? All
> you need to copy is the VIDEO TS folder.
>
> Gary Eickmeier


Yes Gary, I am. The authoring apps that I've used create them though so
it's just another file that gets burned. In addition, I believe that having
the folder is a part of the DVD spec. I do stand to be corrected on the
latter.

Mike

 

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"Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2ssak6F1oomcrU1@uni-berlin.de...
> a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>>>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far
>>> larger than the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs currently
>>> allow - although the new double layer format will change that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wasn't aware of that .. even the DVD spec lists them as 4.7G. Where
>> did you get this info?
>
>
> If you're referring to commercial DVDs, a typical Hollywood disc has far
> more than data than the 4.7 GB a consumer DVD allows.

Still I am not allowed to send DLT's to my replicator with any more than 4.7
Gigabytes on them. This is the first I have heard anything like that Mike.
DVD-5 Single layer is only 4.7 GIG.

 

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a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:2ssak6F1oomcrU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
>>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>>>>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>>>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far
>>>> larger than the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs
>>>> currently allow - although the new double layer format will change
>>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware of that .. even the DVD spec lists them as 4.7G.
>>> Where did you get this info?
>>
>>
>> If you're referring to commercial DVDs, a typical Hollywood disc has
>> far more than data than the 4.7 GB a consumer DVD allows.
>
> Still I am not allowed to send DLT's to my replicator with any more
> than 4.7 Gigabytes on them. This is the first I have heard anything
> like that Mike. DVD-5 Single layer is only 4.7 GIG.


Nappy, I'm not talking about DVD-5. The typical "Hollywood" DVD is dual
layer. How else would they get (in the case of Harry Potter & the Chamber
of Secrets) 7.87 GB. (8,451,317,760) on it?

Mike

 

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"Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2t5n1sF1rmllfU1@uni-berlin.de...
> a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:2ssak6F1oomcrU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>> a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
>>>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>>> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>>>>>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>>>>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far
>>>>> larger than the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs
>>>>> currently allow - although the new double layer format will change
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware of that .. even the DVD spec lists them as 4.7G.
>>>> Where did you get this info?
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're referring to commercial DVDs, a typical Hollywood disc has
>>> far more than data than the 4.7 GB a consumer DVD allows.
>>
>> Still I am not allowed to send DLT's to my replicator with any more
>> than 4.7 Gigabytes on them. This is the first I have heard anything
>> like that Mike. DVD-5 Single layer is only 4.7 GIG.
>
>
> Nappy, I'm not talking about DVD-5. The typical "Hollywood" DVD is dual
> layer. How else would they get (in the case of Harry Potter & the Chamber
> of Secrets) 7.87 GB. (8,451,317,760) on it?
>
> Mike
>

Mike.. you implied a difference between a 'commercial' DVD and a 'Hollywood'
DVD which doesn't exist, and didn't make the distinction between DVD5 and
DVD9 or DVD10. Excuse me if I misunderstood your statement.

 

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a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:2t5n1sF1rmllfU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
>>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:2ssak6F1oomcrU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>> a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
>>>>> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>>>>> message news:2sr9dbF1o4pk0U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>>>> Carol and Allen Bredt wrote:
>>>>>>> Just curious. Why can't a movie on a DVD be copied using Windows
>>>>>>> Explorer? Why doesn't it play?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're talking about commercial DVDs, they're generally far
>>>>>> larger than the 4.7 GB maximum capacity that consumer DVDs
>>>>>> currently allow - although the new double layer format will
>>>>>> change that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't aware of that .. even the DVD spec lists them as 4.7G.
>>>>> Where did you get this info?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you're referring to commercial DVDs, a typical Hollywood disc
>>>> has far more than data than the 4.7 GB a consumer DVD allows.
>>>
>>> Still I am not allowed to send DLT's to my replicator with any more
>>> than 4.7 Gigabytes on them. This is the first I have heard anything
>>> like that Mike. DVD-5 Single layer is only 4.7 GIG.
>>
>>
>> Nappy, I'm not talking about DVD-5. The typical "Hollywood" DVD is
>> dual layer. How else would they get (in the case of Harry Potter &
>> the Chamber of Secrets) 7.87 GB. (8,451,317,760) on it?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Mike.. you implied a difference between a 'commercial' DVD and a
> 'Hollywood' DVD which doesn't exist, and didn't make the distinction
> between DVD5 and DVD9 or DVD10. Excuse me if I misunderstood your
> statement.


Sorry for the confusion. When I say Hollywood, I mean commercial because,
as far as I'm concerned, the two words are interchangeable (at least in the
average consumer's mind). I do realize that there are several DVDs produced
that do not exceed the 4.7 GB capacity (training DVDs, for example) but, as
I said, most folks think feature-length movies (aka Hollywood) when they
hear the word "commercial".
Burners such as the Pioneer A08 now give the consumer a capacity of 8.5 GB
using the DVD-9 (SS/DL) format. To the best of my knowledge (correct me if
I'm wrong), there are no DVD-10 (9.4 GB - DS/DL) burners for consumer use at
this time.
Who knows what will happen when the dust settles on the other fronts
promising up to 27 GB? Only time will tell.

Mike

 

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"Mike Kujbida" <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Sorry for the confusion. When I say Hollywood, I mean commercial because,
> as far as I'm concerned, the two words are interchangeable (at least in
> the
> average consumer's mind). I do realize that there are several DVDs
> produced
> that do not exceed the 4.7 GB capacity (training DVDs, for example) but,
> as
> I said, most folks think feature-length movies (aka Hollywood) when they
> hear the word "commercial".

Understood.. I always get a kick out of references to Hollywood.. living and
working in Los Angeles.. It is one of the ugliest places I know. Most of the
DVD hopuses I know still do a majority of DVD5 authoring. Especially for
packages without a lot of extras.

> Burners such as the Pioneer A08 now give the consumer a capacity of 8.5 GB
> using the DVD-9 (SS/DL) format. To the best of my knowledge (correct me
> if
> I'm wrong), there are no DVD-10 (9.4 GB - DS/DL) burners for consumer use
> at
> this time.
> Who knows what will happen when the dust settles on the other fronts
> promising up to 27 GB? Only time will tell.

I know.. for saome reason it will just barely be enough for what we are
trying to do with it.





>
> Mike
>