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Anonymous
May 22, 2004 11:04:02 AM

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I come from a palm background. With palm, it's easy, if something
wrong happens to your handheld, you just hotsync, and then everything
is restored. It's 100% reliable and if you'd used a backup software to
back up to an SD card then that's been 100% reliable in my experience.

Not so with ipaq. First, if you're a newcomer, you risk losing a lot
of your documents because activesynch does not backup files by
default.

Then, application specific data may be lost.

Then, you have to reinstall your applications, find that registration
key... etc. And if you're busy the last thing you wanna do is mess
with fixing something like that. (argh i hate that)

Then i had a problem with the backup software that i used saying
"cannot restore. file corrput" or something like that, as i had it
backup daily to a CF microdrive that i know is working perfectly.

All this made me hate my ipaq.

But anyhow, i'm back to using it now. So how can i ensure that i don't
suffer from crashes and data loss? I don't wanna have to rebuild my
applications and lose the data i have accumulated over a period of
time. (p.s. i have no hope that the ipaq won't crash, but i need to
make sure it'll be back up and running and everything is a 100%
restored is a matter of minutes)

So far, i installed my applications to the CF microdrive. Is this a
failproof way to make sure they won't be lost when my ipaq crashes
irreparably and i'd have to hard-reset? would the applications
installed on CF MD also store their data there? would the ipaq
recognize them when i hard-reset or would i have to do reisntallation
eventhough they exist on the CF already, and if so will the data still
be there? and then for backup, is it best to just use the
spritsoftware one that's in the ROM or another one? and how can i
ensure my backup to CF MD are 100% reliable and that when i need to
restore it won't be "corrupt"?

thanks
Anonymous
May 23, 2004 9:01:43 AM

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I didn't see you mention what iPAQ model you're using... but the latest
iPAQs have a pretty reliable way of backing up all data.

I'm not a fan of the MicroDrive... and I would prefer backing up into an SD
or MMC card if possible.

Next, with ActiveSync, there is a backup option which lets you backup your
PPC completely to your desktop PC.

As for ActiveSync losing the files, I will ahve to disagree.

When you hard reset your unit, all you have to do is delete the partnership
in ActiveSync and make sure that you DO NOT delete the synchronized files
folder called "My Pocket PC My Documents" or "'whatever you named your
Pocket PC' My Documents".

As you resynch and create a new partnership, all files should be copied back
to your PPC. As for the applications, if you used the desktop installer,
just go to the ActiveSync add/remove programs option and reinstall them by
batch. Do it in small batches as some apps require a reboot after
installation.

--
Carlo Ma. Guerrero
Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices
"Mike Henley" <mnhenley@msn.com> wrote in message
news:6005702b.0405220604.6727ed8a@posting.google.com...
I come from a palm background. With palm, it's easy, if something
wrong happens to your handheld, you just hotsync, and then everything
is restored. It's 100% reliable and if you'd used a backup software to
back up to an SD card then that's been 100% reliable in my experience.

Not so with ipaq. First, if you're a newcomer, you risk losing a lot
of your documents because activesynch does not backup files by
default.

Then, application specific data may be lost.

Then, you have to reinstall your applications, find that registration
key... etc. And if you're busy the last thing you wanna do is mess
with fixing something like that. (argh i hate that)

Then i had a problem with the backup software that i used saying
"cannot restore. file corrput" or something like that, as i had it
backup daily to a CF microdrive that i know is working perfectly.

All this made me hate my ipaq.

But anyhow, i'm back to using it now. So how can i ensure that i don't
suffer from crashes and data loss? I don't wanna have to rebuild my
applications and lose the data i have accumulated over a period of
time. (p.s. i have no hope that the ipaq won't crash, but i need to
make sure it'll be back up and running and everything is a 100%
restored is a matter of minutes)

So far, i installed my applications to the CF microdrive. Is this a
failproof way to make sure they won't be lost when my ipaq crashes
irreparably and i'd have to hard-reset? would the applications
installed on CF MD also store their data there? would the ipaq
recognize them when i hard-reset or would i have to do reisntallation
eventhough they exist on the CF already, and if so will the data still
be there? and then for backup, is it best to just use the
spritsoftware one that's in the ROM or another one? and how can i
ensure my backup to CF MD are 100% reliable and that when i need to
restore it won't be "corrupt"?

thanks
Anonymous
May 24, 2004 2:07:05 PM

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"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94F375C458DCAFearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16>...
> Well, neglect kills any device in my opinion, whether it is
> a Palm or a Pocket PC. if you don't care to get to know the
> device then it's no use comparing them to eachother, they
> are different in terms of OS/Battery life/Usage/Screen/Etc.
> and you just have to get used to it. A PPC will not behave
> exactly the same as a Palm because it's not a Palm, and vice-versa.
>
> ~S.
>

Well, you see, the issue is that a Palm is soooooooooo much easier to
get to know. It basically needs practically no knowledge to get it
working, because everything just simply works as it should. It's
simple, intuitive, and a 100% reliable. Not so with PPC, a PPC is a
machine you *have* to know to get it working, which is a big problem
if what you really want to do is concentrate on your
schedule/todolist/contacts rather than getting the damn ipaq to work.

I have at times hated the Ipaq for this. Well, wait, not the ipaq,
it's the microsoft pocketpc OS that i totally hated. My ipaq would've
been much nicer had it been a pocketpc. Only reason i have it is that
it's good hardware (CF/SD, extended battery, thumbboard), but MS PPC
is really really bad compared to trusty palmOS.



>
>
>
> "Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> wrote in
> news:10b39e4jq0n0r9a@corp.supernews.com:
>
>
> > Well, do as I did: go back to using your Palm.
> >
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Anonymous
May 24, 2004 11:20:23 PM

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"Mike Henley" <mnhenley@msn.com> wrote in message
news:6005702b.0405240907.3f1dd6b6@posting.google.com...
> Well, you see, the issue is that a Palm is soooooooooo much easier to
> get to know. It basically needs practically no knowledge to get it
> working, because everything just simply works as it should. It's
> simple, intuitive, and a 100% reliable. Not so with PPC, a PPC is a
> machine you *have* to know to get it working, which is a big problem
> if what you really want to do is concentrate on your
> schedule/todolist/contacts rather than getting the damn ipaq to work.

Amen!!!
Couldn't have said it better!

Meindert
Anonymous
May 24, 2004 11:20:24 PM

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Not much learning to do, an iPAQ is practicly the same as a Windows
desktop, there's the Start menu, Program groups, Outlook, Internet-
Explorer, familiar buttons and controls, true multitasking, And the
Schedule/ToDo/Contacts are right in your face on the Today screen,
one tap away. Easy i'd say, right?.
Sooooooooooo much easier than looking for stuff that has a totally
different name than what's on the desktop computer. <G>
Okay, but seriously. If Palm works for you, stick to Palm.
If Pocket PC works for you, stick to Pocket PC! problem solved.
it's not worth anyone's time to compare apples to pears.


~S.





"Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> wrote in
news:10b4bt99u6e9icb@corp.supernews.com:

> "Mike Henley" <mnhenley@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:6005702b.0405240907.3f1dd6b6@posting.google.com...
>> Well, you see, the issue is that a Palm is soooooooooo much easier to
>> get to know. It basically needs practically no knowledge to get it
>> working, because everything just simply works as it should. It's
>> simple, intuitive, and a 100% reliable. Not so with PPC, a PPC is a
>> machine you *have* to know to get it working, which is a big problem
>> if what you really want to do is concentrate on your
>> schedule/todolist/contacts rather than getting the damn ipaq to work.
>
> Amen!!!
> Couldn't have said it better!
>
> Meindert
>
>



--
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
Anonymous
May 25, 2004 1:02:39 AM

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"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94F3D18C4BB2FearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> Not much learning to do, an iPAQ is practicly the same as a Windows
> desktop, there's the Start menu, Program groups, Outlook, Internet-
> Explorer, familiar buttons and controls,

Yes, and? Suppose I'm am Linux user, not using any graphical desktop.....?


> Schedule/ToDo/Contacts are right in your face on the Today screen,
> one tap away. Easy i'd say, right?.
> Sooooooooooo much easier than looking for stuff that has a totally
> different name than what's on the desktop computer. <G>

Now take the calendar and try to enter an appointment at, say, 10 o'clock. I
go click on the 10 o'clock bar, trying to enter an appointment... o shoot,
this is PPC, click on the "new" menu first..... By now, on my Palm, I could
have completed the entry. Easy, just think how you want to do it, and do it.
Now menu, no hassle....

Meindert
Anonymous
May 25, 2004 1:02:40 AM

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"Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> wrote in
news:10b4hspfgin9u3d@corp.supernews.com:

> Yes, and? Suppose I'm am Linux user, not using any graphical
> desktop.....?
>

First i'd say you'd need a Zaurus or Yopi, second that you'd need
to get off your ass and install a decent X desktop, like KDE.



> Now take the calendar and try to enter an appointment at, say, 10
> o'clock. I go click on the 10 o'clock bar, trying to enter an
> appointment... o shoot, this is PPC, click on the "new" menu first.....
> By now, on my Palm, I could have completed the entry. Easy, just think
> how you want to do it, and do it. Now menu, no hassle....
>

Must be really painful that extra brainwave, to tap 'New' first.
must have been a real headache to work on that command prompt in Linux!
}:) 

G'night!


~S.





--
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
Anonymous
May 25, 2004 3:28:24 AM

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"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94F3E7C5328B0FearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> First i'd say you'd need a Zaurus or Yopi, second that you'd need
> to get off your ass and install a decent X desktop, like KDE.

Mmm, I can hardly call KDE decent anymore, in it's attempt to look more and
more like Windows....

> > Now take the calendar and try to enter an appointment at, say, 10
> > o'clock. I go click on the 10 o'clock bar, trying to enter an
> > appointment... o shoot, this is PPC, click on the "new" menu first.....
> > By now, on my Palm, I could have completed the entry. Easy, just think
> > how you want to do it, and do it. Now menu, no hassle....
> >
>
> Must be really painful that extra brainwave, to tap 'New' first.
> must have been a real headache to work on that command prompt in Linux!
> }:) 

:-))

Meindert
Anonymous
May 25, 2004 7:00:14 PM

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"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94F3D18C4BB2FearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16>...
> Not much learning to do, an iPAQ is practicly the same as a Windows
> desktop, there's the Start menu, Program groups, Outlook, Internet-
> Explorer, familiar buttons and controls, true multitasking, And the
> Schedule/ToDo/Contacts are right in your face on the Today screen,
> one tap away. Easy i'd say, right?.
> Sooooooooooo much easier than looking for stuff that has a totally
> different name than what's on the desktop computer. <G>

It isn't. I started using windows back in 1991 and ever since. PPC is
*not* all just like windows. The only way it's just like windows,
besides the "familiar" icons, is that oftentimes it doesn't work as it
should and you have to spend so much time fixing it.

The point remains, why did i have so much trouble with PPC, both in
terms of usability and reliability, whereas with PalmOS it worked
right out of the box, no manual read, and worked, in my experience,
for 4 years without a hickup i can remember.

I'm an experienced windows desktop user, and i'm an experienced PalmOS
user, and in my experience, PPC just stinks.

The main reason i bought it is the ipaq h2210's hardware. A handheld
OS, one that you trust with your personal information, should be a
100% reliable and a 100% usable by default. PalmOS is both, and i
think i'm going back to that.




> Okay, but seriously. If Palm works for you, stick to Palm.
> If Pocket PC works for you, stick to Pocket PC! problem solved.
> it's not worth anyone's time to compare apples to pears.
>
>
> ~S.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> wrote in
> news:10b4bt99u6e9icb@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > "Mike Henley" <mnhenley@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:6005702b.0405240907.3f1dd6b6@posting.google.com...
> >> Well, you see, the issue is that a Palm is soooooooooo much easier to
> >> get to know. It basically needs practically no knowledge to get it
> >> working, because everything just simply works as it should. It's
> >> simple, intuitive, and a 100% reliable. Not so with PPC, a PPC is a
> >> machine you *have* to know to get it working, which is a big problem
> >> if what you really want to do is concentrate on your
> >> schedule/todolist/contacts rather than getting the damn ipaq to work.
> >
> > Amen!!!
> > Couldn't have said it better!
> >
> > Meindert
> >
> >
May 27, 2004 2:47:46 PM

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........and you enlightened persons would be reading/posting to a pocketpc
newsgroup because..........?

"Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> wrote in message
news:10b4qe2c9tif187@corp.supernews.com...
> "ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94F3E7C5328B0FearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> > First i'd say you'd need a Zaurus or Yopi, second that you'd need
> > to get off your ass and install a decent X desktop, like KDE.
>
> Mmm, I can hardly call KDE decent anymore, in it's attempt to look more
and
> more like Windows....
>
> > > Now take the calendar and try to enter an appointment at, say, 10
> > > o'clock. I go click on the 10 o'clock bar, trying to enter an
> > > appointment... o shoot, this is PPC, click on the "new" menu
first.....
> > > By now, on my Palm, I could have completed the entry. Easy, just think
> > > how you want to do it, and do it. Now menu, no hassle....
> > >
> >
> > Must be really painful that extra brainwave, to tap 'New' first.
> > must have been a real headache to work on that command prompt in Linux!
> > }:) 
>
> :-))
>
> Meindert
>
>
!