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I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my new
PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me at that
time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit my
circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back but was
on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently emailed a
question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever email
support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course they are
again promising free email tech support for the latest version...free
until the version is superceeded I'll assume.

Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another editor.
Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like myself.
So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program (vs.
updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio interface.
Should I??

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Mark, the Studio 9 with the latest upgrade works fine in my friends XP
system. I am using Premiere 6.5 and prefer it, since it gives me so much
more flexibility. Yes there is a lot to learn, but I upgraded also from a
Pinnacle System product and found that knowing the principle of PC-Editing
was a big help.
So, if you have the money, and you want to exercise your brain, get Premiere
(V6.5, or PRO 1.5) .
Fred


"Mark" <nobody@home.now> wrote in message
news:2rb5r0hqr6n1abjh14r43up57vksp9gnpb@4ax.com...
> I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
> years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my new
> PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me at that
> time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit my
> circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back but was
> on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently emailed a
> question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever email
> support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course they are
> again promising free email tech support for the latest version...free
> until the version is superceeded I'll assume.
>
> Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
> abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another editor.
> Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like myself.
> So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program (vs.
> updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio interface.
> Should I??

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Mark wrote:

> I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
> years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my new
> PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me at that
> time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit my
> circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back but was
> on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently emailed a
> question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever email
> support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course they are
> again promising free email tech support for the latest version...free
> until the version is superceeded I'll assume.

HAHAH.. This is kinda like when I have sales people tell me the words
"lifetime warrantee".. I always ask, "Who's lifetime?, The product? Your
companies lifetime?". They always chuckle, but when they see that I'm
not laughing, its quickly followed by a awkward moment of silence.

Hell even Sears looks like it's going to be gobbled up by KMart.. So
what happens to all those Craftsmen tools with that lifetime warranty?

> Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
> abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another editor.
> Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like myself.
> So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program (vs.
> updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio interface.
> Should I??

On the PC I'm partial to Premiere myself. Take the plunge and go
Premiere Pro. Or, have you tried Premiere Elements ($99)?

-Richard

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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:17:19 GMT, Richard Ragon <bsema04@hananho.com>
wrote:


>HAHAH.. This is kinda like when I have sales people tell me the words
>"lifetime warrantee".. I always ask, "Who's lifetime?, The product? Your
>companies lifetime?". They always chuckle, but when they see that I'm
>not laughing, its quickly followed by a awkward moment of silence.
>
>Hell even Sears looks like it's going to be gobbled up by KMart.. So
>what happens to all those Craftsmen tools with that lifetime warranty?
>
>
You got that backwards... KMart is being gobbled up by Sears... KMart
is in no position to take over Sears.... the Craftsman warranty is
still safe..
Glenn
A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM...Pink Floyd

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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:03:17 -0500, Mark <nobody@home.now> wrote:

>I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
>years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my new
>PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me at that
>time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit my
>circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back but was
>on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently emailed a
>question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever email
>support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course they are
>again promising free email tech support for the latest version...free
>until the version is superceeded I'll assume.
>
>Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
>abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another editor.
>Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like myself.
>So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program (vs.
>updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio interface.
>Should I??

You can not compare old outdate software compared to the lastest
version 9 plus. If you are worried about the price of Pinnacle (look
for it on sale on one of chain stores). If you think you want to
switch to Premiere and think it for the casual user and that it will
not cost you and arm and a leg then you really are not informed.
Also, for every disgruntled report you hear on Pinnacle there are
literally hundreds of satisfied customer. Then again some only hear
what they conceive. For the casual user Pinnacle even has a "Quick
Movie Maker" which will do it nearly automatically. I have used
Pinnacle productively since version 7 and understand the extensive
time and frustration keeping it working. However version 9 does not
have any real problems if you have sufficient hardware.

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<Glenn M> wrote in message
news:irg6r09p0jabqphh64pb8den7epc0s7iba@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:17:19 GMT, Richard Ragon <bsema04@hananho.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>HAHAH.. This is kinda like when I have sales people tell me the words
>>"lifetime warrantee".. I always ask, "Who's lifetime?, The product? Your
>>companies lifetime?". They always chuckle, but when they see that I'm
>>not laughing, its quickly followed by a awkward moment of silence.
>>
>>Hell even Sears looks like it's going to be gobbled up by KMart.. So
>>what happens to all those Craftsmen tools with that lifetime warranty?
>>
>>
> You got that backwards... KMart is being gobbled up by Sears... KMart
> is in no position to take over Sears.... the Craftsman warranty is
> still safe..
> Glenn
> A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM...Pink Floyd

While Ragoon does get most things completely bass ackwards. KMart bought
Sears last week. Together they have more stores than Walmart.
Kmart would have to honor any contracts with customers that Sears had. Which
includes Lifetime Warranty on their tools.

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Yes. Get Premiere. Studio is a toy compared to Premiere.

"Mark" <nobody@home.now> wrote in message
news:2rb5r0hqr6n1abjh14r43up57vksp9gnpb@4ax.com...
> I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
> years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my new
> PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me at that
> time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit my
> circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back but was
> on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently emailed a
> question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever email
> support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course they are
> again promising free email tech support for the latest version...free
> until the version is superceeded I'll assume.
>
> Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
> abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another editor.
> Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like myself.
> So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program (vs.
> updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio interface.
> Should I??

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Premiere has bugs and abhorrent tech support, too, so don't let that be the
determining factor.

Premiere provides far, far more control over your editing than consumer
products like Studio. The question, though, is whether you really need it.
If you want to compositing, extensive image correction, keying, etc., then
Premiere is a good choice. Note that it requires a fairly powerful computer
to be used comfortably.


"Mark" <nobody@home.now> wrote in message
news:2rb5r0hqr6n1abjh14r43up57vksp9gnpb@4ax.com...
> I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
> years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my new
> PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me at that
> time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit my
> circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back but was
> on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently emailed a
> question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever email
> support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course they are
> again promising free email tech support for the latest version...free
> until the version is superceeded I'll assume.
>
> Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
> abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another editor.
> Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like myself.
> So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program (vs.
> updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio interface.
> Should I??

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Glenn M wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:17:19 GMT, Richard Ragon <bsema04@hananho.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>HAHAH.. This is kinda like when I have sales people tell me the words
>>"lifetime warrantee".. I always ask, "Who's lifetime?, The product? Your
>>companies lifetime?". They always chuckle, but when they see that I'm
>>not laughing, its quickly followed by a awkward moment of silence.
>>
>>Hell even Sears looks like it's going to be gobbled up by KMart.. So
>>what happens to all those Craftsmen tools with that lifetime warranty?
>>
>>
>
> You got that backwards... KMart is being gobbled up by Sears... KMart
> is in no position to take over Sears.... the Craftsman warranty is
> still safe..
> Glenn

Glenn,

I didn't get it backwards.. KMart IS buying Sears. See this article on
CNN Money.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/17/ne [...] ars_kmart/

-Richard

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Don't forget to take a look at Sony's Vegas as well. Tech support is good,
user forums are fantastic and the bugs are few and far between.

Mike
(a happy Vegas user since V 1)


PTRAVEL wrote:
> Premiere has bugs and abhorrent tech support, too, so don't let that
> be the determining factor.
>
> Premiere provides far, far more control over your editing than
> consumer products like Studio. The question, though, is whether you
> really need it. If you want to compositing, extensive image
> correction, keying, etc., then Premiere is a good choice. Note that
> it requires a fairly powerful computer to be used comfortably.
>
>
> "Mark" <nobody@home.now> wrote in message
> news:2rb5r0hqr6n1abjh14r43up57vksp9gnpb@4ax.com...
>> I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
>> years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my
>> new PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me
>> at that time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit
>> my circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back
>> but was on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently
>> emailed a question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever
>> email support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course
>> they are again promising free email tech support for the latest
>> version...free until the version is superceeded I'll assume.
>>
>> Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
>> abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another
>> editor. Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like
>> myself. So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program
>> (vs. updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio
>> interface. Should I??

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I'll second what Mike said about Vegas.

Craig (a happy Vegas user since V2) H.

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Seems I may be overreaching if I go with Premiere. I will look into
Sony Vegas. Isn't that part of the product line that includes Sound
Forge? I use it and like it. I like the idea of supporting a product
that works as described and is well supported.

To be clear: My issue with Studio isn't that it doesn't work for me.
The problem is that Pinnacle no longer supports it despite their
promise of free email tech support. When I installed V.8 and it
didn't function on XP their CS couldn't offer any advice beyond wiping
my HD & reinstalling clean. I tried to make it clear to them that it
WAS being installed on a new system. My answer was found in their
user knowledge base. I don't feel that's worth supporting any longer,
despite being the cheaper way to proceed.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:03:17 -0500, Mark <nobody@home.now> wrote:

>I've been using (and I suppose, supporting) Pinnacle for several
>years. Had V.6 on my previous PC. It wouldn't work with XP on my new
>PC (1 year ago) so I upgraded to V.8. THis didn't work for me at that
>time & the Pinnacle 'knowledge base' had a solution that fit my
>circumstances: Install v.7. I didn't like having to roll back but was
>on a deadline. This brings me to the present. I recently emailed a
>question to CS and was informed the promised free-forever email
>support was discontinued for the discontinued v.7. Of course they are
>again promising free email tech support for the latest version...free
>until the version is superceeded I'll assume.
>
>Before I shell out my $$ for this product with their bugs and
>abhorrent tech support I want to consider switching to another editor.
>Premiere seems to be the most popular for casual users like myself.
>So I'm considering paying a little more for a new program (vs.
>updating) and abandoning my familiarity with the Studio interface.
>Should I??

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Mark wrote:
> Seems I may be overreaching if I go with Premiere. I will look into
> Sony Vegas. Isn't that part of the product line that includes Sound
> Forge? I use it and like it. I like the idea of supporting a product
> that works as described and is well supported.


You're correct about Vegas & Sound Forge being part of the same line. As
you know, Sony bought out Sonic Foundry a year or so ago and has carried on
in the tradition of solid programs.
The advantage to already having Sound Forge is that it seamlessly integrates
with Vegas to give you even more audio capabilities.

Mike

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You could have a look at Canopus' Edius as well! Does all that you would
need plus easier to use than Premiere.

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I have been using Studio too and yes Premiere and for that matter
Mediastudio(Ulead) is much better. All the assistance I have recieved from
the Pinnacle forum is as good as any rep could give.
I guess it is what you use it for,in my case its home movies although it
allows editing of mpeg1/2. Don't get me wrong I would love to buy Premiere
even tried a coverdisk demo but I use Avisynth/Virtualdubmod for special
effects and cleaning up bad video.

Terry
http://mrtvideo.com

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"Paul Harrison" <mail@paulharrison.f9.co.uk> writes:

> You could have a look at Canopus' Edius as well! Does all that you would
> need plus easier to use than Premiere.

I'd recommend waiting until Jan 05 though since a new version:
Edius 3 pro is coming out then. It has a number of good new
features compared to the current Edius-2.51.

I suspect you will feel very awkward with it for a while though. It
felt `foreign' to me for about a month. Now I like it very much.

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> You got that backwards... KMart is being gobbled up by Sears... KMart
> is in no position to take over Sears.... the Craftsman warranty is
> still safe..
> Glenn

This is a prime examply why you can never believe most of what you read on
Usenet, ignorant asses like this posting totally incorrect information.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6509683/

> A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM...Pink Floyd

Try a little knowledge next time, moron.

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In article <irg6r09p0jabqphh64pb8den7epc0s7iba@4ax.com>, Glenn M <>
says...
> Subject: Re: should I stick with Studio or switch to Premiere?
> From: Glenn M <>
> Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop
>
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:17:19 GMT, Richard Ragon <bsema04@hananho.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >HAHAH.. This is kinda like when I have sales people tell me the words
> >"lifetime warrantee".. I always ask, "Who's lifetime?, The product? Your
> >companies lifetime?". They always chuckle, but when they see that I'm
> >not laughing, its quickly followed by a awkward moment of silence.
> >
> >Hell even Sears looks like it's going to be gobbled up by KMart.. So
> >what happens to all those Craftsmen tools with that lifetime warranty?
> >
> >
> You got that backwards... KMart is being gobbled up by Sears... KMart
> is in no position to take over Sears.... the Craftsman warranty is
> still safe..
> Glenn
> A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM...Pink Floyd
>
>

Eventually all stores will be Walmart.
--
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