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Anonymous
April 28, 2005 11:33:32 AM

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I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on my
printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
appreciated.

George
Parkville (Baltimore), MD
Anonymous
April 28, 2005 4:24:30 PM

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"George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@BCPL.net> wrote in message
news:4270CA0C.5C730A88@BCPL.net...
>I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
> borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
> going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
> be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on my
> printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> George
> Parkville (Baltimore), MD
>

I most likely has to do with the ratio of the height to width of the
original image.
A 6x4 is a 1.5:1 ratio.
A digital camera makes a 4:3 or 1.33:1 ratio.
In order to fill the width of the 6x4, you must crop the height to fit the
different ratio.

example:
1600x1200 pixel image (a 2 Megapixel camera)

1200 pixels/4 inches=300 ppi. to fill out the 4 inches.
1600 pixels/300 ppi=5.333 inches.

To fill out the 6 inch dimension, you have to crop the height of the image.

--
CSM1
http://www.carlmcmillan.com
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Anonymous
April 28, 2005 5:06:08 PM

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>"George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@BCPL.net> wrote in message
>news:4270CA0C.5C730A88@BCPL.net...
>>I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
>> borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
>> going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
>> be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on my
>> printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> George
>> Parkville (Baltimore), MD
>>
>
>I most likely has to do with the ratio of the height to width of the
>original image.
>A 6x4 is a 1.5:1 ratio.
>A digital camera makes a 4:3 or 1.33:1 ratio.
>In order to fill the width of the 6x4, you must crop the height to fit the
>different ratio.
>
>example:
>1600x1200 pixel image (a 2 Megapixel camera)
>
>1200 pixels/4 inches=300 ppi. to fill out the 4 inches.
>1600 pixels/300 ppi=5.333 inches.
>
>To fill out the 6 inch dimension, you have to crop the height of the image.
>
>--
>CSM1
>http://www.carlmcmillan.com

I have some to try myself. I'm going to Superstore. They have a
"Kodak" machine there that reads all types of cards. Basically D.I.Y.
50 cents a print.
Not all cameras are this ratio. My HP C500 is 1600x1200 [1.333]. My
Canon 20D digital SLR is 3504x2336 [5:1]
The problem I'd be concerned with is the color matching. How do your
prints look colorwise.
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April 28, 2005 6:04:20 PM

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George Nuetzel wrote:
> I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
> borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
> going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
> be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on my
> printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> George
> Parkville (Baltimore), MD
>
Unless the photos have a 2:3 aspect ratio, they have to cropped to fill the 4X6 space.
You can control the cropping by doing it yourself. Almost any software for working on
digital images will let you do that.

The standard print sizes are unrelated to the aspect ratios of either film or digital
cameras. You can either take what happens in printing, take the time to do the cropping,
or pay a lot extra for custom printing.
April 28, 2005 6:06:07 PM

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rumpledickskin wrote:
>>"George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@BCPL.net> wrote in message
>>news:4270CA0C.5C730A88@BCPL.net...
>>
>>>I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
>>>borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
>>>going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
>>>be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on my
>>>printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
>>>appreciated.
>>>
>>>George
>>>Parkville (Baltimore), MD
>>>
>>
>>I most likely has to do with the ratio of the height to width of the
>>original image.
>>A 6x4 is a 1.5:1 ratio.
>>A digital camera makes a 4:3 or 1.33:1 ratio.
>>In order to fill the width of the 6x4, you must crop the height to fit the
>>different ratio.
>>
>>example:
>>1600x1200 pixel image (a 2 Megapixel camera)
>>
>>1200 pixels/4 inches=300 ppi. to fill out the 4 inches.
>>1600 pixels/300 ppi=5.333 inches.
>>
>>To fill out the 6 inch dimension, you have to crop the height of the image.
>>
>>--
>>CSM1
>>http://www.carlmcmillan.com
>
>
> I have some to try myself. I'm going to Superstore. They have a
> "Kodak" machine there that reads all types of cards. Basically D.I.Y.
> 50 cents a print.
> Not all cameras are this ratio. My HP C500 is 1600x1200 [1.333]. My
> Canon 20D digital SLR is 3504x2336 [5:1]

Which is also 1.333.

> The problem I'd be concerned with is the color matching. How do your
> prints look colorwise.
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 1:41:07 AM

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"Marvin" <physchem@cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:11729gbbquff629@corp.supernews.com...
> rumpledickskin wrote:
> >>"George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@BCPL.net> wrote in message
> >>news:4270CA0C.5C730A88@BCPL.net...
> >>
> >>>I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
> >>>borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
> >>>going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
> >>>be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on
my
> >>>printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
> >>>appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>George
> >>>Parkville (Baltimore), MD
> >>>
> >>
> >>I most likely has to do with the ratio of the height to width of the
> >>original image.
> >>A 6x4 is a 1.5:1 ratio.
> >>A digital camera makes a 4:3 or 1.33:1 ratio.
> >>In order to fill the width of the 6x4, you must crop the height to fit
the
> >>different ratio.
> >>
> >>example:
> >>1600x1200 pixel image (a 2 Megapixel camera)
> >>
> >>1200 pixels/4 inches=300 ppi. to fill out the 4 inches.
> >>1600 pixels/300 ppi=5.333 inches.
> >>
> >>To fill out the 6 inch dimension, you have to crop the height of the
image.
> >>
> >>--
> >>CSM1
> >>http://www.carlmcmillan.com
> >
> >
> > I have some to try myself. I'm going to Superstore. They have a
> > "Kodak" machine there that reads all types of cards. Basically D.I.Y.
> > 50 cents a print.
> > Not all cameras are this ratio. My HP C500 is 1600x1200 [1.333]. My
> > Canon 20D digital SLR is 3504x2336 [5:1]
>
> Which is also 1.333.

You did not use your calculator, 3504/2336=1.5. His Canon 20D has the same
aspect ratio as 35 mm film.

35mm film fits a 6x4 print perfectly. It is what the photo finishers created
the 6x4 size print for. 6/4=1.5 or 3:2.
>
> > The problem I'd be concerned with is the color matching. How do your
> > prints look colorwise.
--
CSM1
http://www.carlmcmillan.com
--
April 29, 2005 5:31:34 PM

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CSM1 wrote:
> "Marvin" <physchem@cloud9.net> wrote in message
> news:11729gbbquff629@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>rumpledickskin wrote:
>>
>>>>"George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@BCPL.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4270CA0C.5C730A88@BCPL.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
>>>>>borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
>>>>>going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
>>>>>be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on
>
> my
>
>>>>>printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
>>>>>appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>George
>>>>>Parkville (Baltimore), MD
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I most likely has to do with the ratio of the height to width of the
>>>>original image.
>>>>A 6x4 is a 1.5:1 ratio.
>>>>A digital camera makes a 4:3 or 1.33:1 ratio.
>>>>In order to fill the width of the 6x4, you must crop the height to fit
>
> the
>
>>>>different ratio.
>>>>
>>>>example:
>>>>1600x1200 pixel image (a 2 Megapixel camera)
>>>>
>>>>1200 pixels/4 inches=300 ppi. to fill out the 4 inches.
>>>>1600 pixels/300 ppi=5.333 inches.
>>>>
>>>>To fill out the 6 inch dimension, you have to crop the height of the
>
> image.
>
>>>>--
>>>>CSM1
>>>>http://www.carlmcmillan.com
>>>
>>>
>>>I have some to try myself. I'm going to Superstore. They have a
>>>"Kodak" machine there that reads all types of cards. Basically D.I.Y.
>>>50 cents a print.
>>>Not all cameras are this ratio. My HP C500 is 1600x1200 [1.333]. My
>>>Canon 20D digital SLR is 3504x2336 [5:1]
>>
>>Which is also 1.333.
>
>
> You did not use your calculator, 3504/2336=1.5. His Canon 20D has the same
> aspect ratio as 35 mm film.

Right. I used a calculator, but punched a wrong number. In any case, it isn't 5:1!
>
> 35mm film fits a 6x4 print perfectly. It is what the photo finishers created
> the 6x4 size print for. 6/4=1.5 or 3:2.
>
>>>The problem I'd be concerned with is the color matching. How do your
>>>prints look colorwise.
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 10:27:51 PM

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"Marvin" <physchem@cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:1174rrie9sirpc9@corp.supernews.com...
> CSM1 wrote:
>> "Marvin" <physchem@cloud9.net> wrote in message
>> news:11729gbbquff629@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>rumpledickskin wrote:
>>>
>>>>>"George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@BCPL.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4270CA0C.5C730A88@BCPL.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
>>>>>>borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
>>>>>>going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought
>>>>>>it'd
>>>>>>be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on
>>
>> my
>>
>>>>>>printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
>>>>>>appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>George
>>>>>>Parkville (Baltimore), MD
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I most likely has to do with the ratio of the height to width of the
>>>>>original image.
>>>>>A 6x4 is a 1.5:1 ratio.
>>>>>A digital camera makes a 4:3 or 1.33:1 ratio.
>>>>>In order to fill the width of the 6x4, you must crop the height to fit
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>different ratio.
>>>>>
>>>>>example:
>>>>>1600x1200 pixel image (a 2 Megapixel camera)
>>>>>
>>>>>1200 pixels/4 inches=300 ppi. to fill out the 4 inches.
>>>>>1600 pixels/300 ppi=5.333 inches.
>>>>>
>>>>>To fill out the 6 inch dimension, you have to crop the height of the
>>
>> image.
>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>CSM1
>>>>>http://www.carlmcmillan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have some to try myself. I'm going to Superstore. They have a
>>>>"Kodak" machine there that reads all types of cards. Basically D.I.Y.
>>>>50 cents a print.
>>>>Not all cameras are this ratio. My HP C500 is 1600x1200 [1.333]. My
>>>>Canon 20D digital SLR is 3504x2336 [5:1]
>>>
>>>Which is also 1.333.
>>
>>
>> You did not use your calculator, 3504/2336=1.5. His Canon 20D has the
>> same
>> aspect ratio as 35 mm film.
>
> Right. I used a calculator, but punched a wrong number. In any case, it
> isn't 5:1!

Right. He made a typo [5:1] should have been [1.5:1].

>>
>> 35mm film fits a 6x4 print perfectly. It is what the photo finishers
>> created
>> the 6x4 size print for. 6/4=1.5 or 3:2.
>>
>>>>The problem I'd be concerned with is the color matching. How do your
>>>>prints look colorwise.
--
CSM1
http://www.carlmcmillan.com
--
Anonymous
April 30, 2005 1:58:46 PM

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Thanks to all who responded to my question and took the time to explain to
explain the aspect ratio to me.

George

CSM1 wrote:

> "George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@BCPL.net> wrote in message
> news:4270CA0C.5C730A88@BCPL.net...
> >I recently had some photos processed at K-Mart and these 4" x 6"
> > borderless copies came back cropped. I know with borderless you are
> > going to lose part of the picture but this was more than I thought it'd
> > be. Does anyone do non-borderless photos? I can do these at home on my
> > printer, but prefer to have them done elsewhere. Any help would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > George
> > Parkville (Baltimore), MD
> >
>
> I most likely has to do with the ratio of the height to width of the
> original image.
> A 6x4 is a 1.5:1 ratio.
> A digital camera makes a 4:3 or 1.33:1 ratio.
> In order to fill the width of the 6x4, you must crop the height to fit the
> different ratio.
>
> example:
> 1600x1200 pixel image (a 2 Megapixel camera)
>
> 1200 pixels/4 inches=300 ppi. to fill out the 4 inches.
> 1600 pixels/300 ppi=5.333 inches.
>
> To fill out the 6 inch dimension, you have to crop the height of the image.
>
> --
> CSM1
> http://www.carlmcmillan.com
> --
Anonymous
April 30, 2005 9:46:43 PM

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>Right. He made a typo [5:1] should have been [1.5:1].

thanks
!