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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:38:53 GMT, "Digital Video Solutions"
<video@digitalvideosolutions.com> wrote:
:I went to the Afonic website and could not find anything relating to a
rogram called "IfoEdit". So, I'm going to sort of "wing it" from here.
:First, as someone who has been with the video editing on the computer game
:since it hit the consumer market back in the late 80's, and someone who has
:traversed the path of the original MS-DOS manual or "what the hell does that
:mean, anyway!" I can tell you this. Don't try to understand it, just do what
:it says. If they don't offer specific paths of click-here-go-here, then it
:is a labrynth of total confusion, as was the original DOS manual. I have
:included some tips to understanding below with your original post.
I realized that after I posted this. It was another web
site thar said this program would do the job easily. My
point was that this particular program was far from simple.
It was by far the most complicated program I have seen for
DVD authoring. That's what irks me. People who think
everyone else has a phd in DVD burning then give advice on
the most basic aspects of the subject really make me wonder
what planet they are from. English is a real struggle for
many of these people and they don't have a clue that what
they say is as foggy as can be.
:"King Ghidora" <KingGhidora@PlanetX.com> wrote in message
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:> I followed the advice I got in this ng and went to Afonic
:> DVD Guides to look for programs that actually work. They
:> claimed a program called IfoEdit would easily author DVD's.
:> What a joke. Do these people not realize you can't follow a
:> single word they say about anything? None of their menus
:> make any sense whatsoever to someone who doesn't already
:> know what is going on. Earth to programmers. You're not
:> making sense. Stop talking gibberish and learn to actually
:> comunicate with earthlings. There's 40 pages of information
:> and none of it makes any sense at all. Do programmers live
:> in a parallel universe and speak reverse pig-latin to each
:> other?
:>
:It's really not the programmers who have anything to do with what is said,
:and is true about DVD authoring. The structure of a DVD is complex, and
:without knowledge of what is within that complexity it can be a very
:daunting proceedure. Programmers have to introduce the product according to
:these conventions. They have no power over it and it is the way it is. These
:companies take it for granted that you, the consumer have read up on all
:this stuff and know what you are dealing with before attempting the
roceedures of creating DVD discs. I have often commented to the staff here
:at our company that manufacturer's are selling their products making it seem
:as though this complex thing is as simple as a blender to use/do, and the
:general public is not ready for it.
Actually the fact this progam was presented as a "simple"
DVD authoring program shows that these people haven't a clue
what "simiple" really means. There are tons of much more
simple programs on the market. Practically none of the
things included in the program were actually needed for
"simple" DVD authoring.
:I will attempt to help you understand it in the text below.
:
:> Here's one of many examples of totally insane comments in
:> this program. The program states "Your files must be
:> located in a folder named: VIDEO_TS". Never mind that my
:> files are located in a folder by that name. The really fun
:> part is that the navigation window doesn't even see those
:> folders. Yeah that's right. I go right to the place that
:> should show these folders and poof they aren't there.
:>
:
:When going through the process of creating a DVD the software, given the
roper MPEG-2 files are present goes through a process known as "remux and
:demux". This is when and where there should be two folders created: VIDEO_TS
:and AUDIO_TS. I have noted that some programs will only create the video
:folder because the audio folder is always empty. When the disc is loaded on
:the player the onboard memory of the player uses these folders to dispay and
:temporarily load the audio portion of the video for playback.
:If the program creates a disc image to the hard drive then these folders
:should be present within the folder you wrote the disc image to. In your
ost you tell of woes, but not of particulars where you have found problems.
:Saying the manual is in "pig latin" may be true. But not telling of where
:you have stumbled leaves everyone with questions to answer that have not
:been asked. In short, we can help if we know where the problem actually
:exists. I still have more for you below.
I think you have made the mistake of thinking I don't
understand the basics of what is happening. I do
understand. The problem is none of the programs I have used
so far actually do the things they claim to do.
:> Then there's other menu items like "Check GOP Structure".
:> Is this some sort of reference to the way a political party
:> is organized? It makes zero sense to someone who doesn't
:> already know what it means. And oh BTW. They don't include
:> any explanation of what anything means. They can't be
:> bothered with that they say on their web site.
:>
:
:The term, or rather the letters "GOP" stand for Group Of Pictures. DVD's
:depend on a structure of frames labeled IBBP. To attempt to go into an
:explanation of this frame structure here would be much too time consuming,
:and I would most likely get cramps in my fingers from all the typing. My
:website has a page with explanations of the types of MPEG files, frame
:structures and an explanation of the GOP at:
:http://digitalvideosolutions.com/mpeg.htm Once you know a little more about
:MPEG files maybe the programs will also make a little more sense.
Cramps? Exactly. Which part of this subject is "simple"?
:> This program is useless. The entire process of authoring
:> DVD's is ludicrous. I've not seen one single program that
:> actually does anything the best I can tell. I take that
:> back. They all litter my hard drive with inane and useless
:> files that are worth exactly nothing to me. I spend half my
:> time deleting the garbage these programs leave behind.
:>
:
:Once you have the structure of folders: VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS, creating a
VD copy is a cinch. Programs like Nero Burning ROM can easily create the
:disc from this image you created. In Nero you can pick create DVD-Video and
:then populate the VIDEO_TS folder in the project with the files found in the
:same folder in your disc image folder. No need to populate the AUDIO_TS
:folder because, like I said before it is normall empty. Click the "burn"
:button and there you have it. A video DVD.
Actually it isn't simple when it doesn't work. I've
explained this problem several times in several ng's but no
one seems to get that none of the programs I have used
actually do what they claim to do. My problem is with audio
mainly. I can navigate the menus easily. The problem is
the result isn't what it should be. I have no sound. I
have attemped probably 30 different approaches to this
problem. I've captured sound with the same program that I
burn with but the problem remains. I get error messages
that make zero sense often referring to options that don't
exist at all. I've converted from half a dozen formats and
I've captured with as many programs. The result is always
the same. A DVD with no sound.
It isn't that I don't have the ability to push the right
buttons. I have made a good living being able to push the
right buttons for 20 years. The problem mainly is, again,
that the results aren't what they should be and the error
messages and commands are pathetically vague in many cases.
Instead of exaplaining the painfully obvious how about
answering the quesitons I actually asked.
I recognize an aspect of computers that isn't mature when I
see one. When a well known program like Ulead Movie Maker
makes reference to an option that doesn't exist there is a
problem and it isn't a lack of ability to follow directions.
:> I think I'll come back in about 5 years when the programmers
:> who write this stuff grow up. Maybe they will learn to
:> speak English by then.
:>
:
:Again, the programmers are not speaking "pig latin" and the necessities of
:creating a DVD disc will not change from what it is now. At least not
Oh yes they will. They already have for the most part.
:anytime soon. No offense, but it is you who will need to learn the "lingo"
::that goes along with the art of creating DVD's. The programmers have no
:ability to change that lingo and must include these terms because they are
:the core of the science of DVD proper. Five years from now the technology
:may progress to something else, but the technical specifications will still
:be inherent to the absolution of the end result.
:
:If you are not happy with that fact buy a DVD recording deck and forget the
:authoring/ripping end of it. No offense intended.
No offense but your response is so typical of people in the
programming business that I have made a good living off of
proving wrong. I've seen so many changes in computers over
the years that I could spend the better part of a month just
giving you the highlights. There is no chance I will have
to learn the incredibly comples language of the program I
talked about. Programs already exist that prove that point.
I can safely assure you that practially no one making DVD's
actually cares about the "GOP structure" I mentioned. It is
a far too complex issue for the general public to care about
learning. I certainly don't suggest that software companies
create a handholding version of the same program. MS Bob
isn't the answer. The answer is making a program like Movie
Maker but with the elegance of a really well written
program. It's like the difference between Corel Draw and
Paint Shop Pro. Both will do many of the same things. One
can be learned in as little as an hour. The other takes
months or even years because it has a clunky interface that
rarely does what it is supposed to do.
I've been doing this since 1984. I know a problem with
communication when I see one. The people who thought that
this IfoEdit program was simple just don't have a clue.
I appreciate the attempt you made at helping me. But you
made the mistake thousands of other programmers make. They
think people will spend months learning inane details about
obscure processes. They think it is the user who has the
problem. Wrong. The fault lies with poor communication
skills of programmers. We could all still be using command
line options and we could all still be hearing from
programmers that we will just have to learn a gazillion
details if we want to operate a computer. Command lines
aren't elegant at all to most people. GUI's are. That's
where this problem lies. We are at the command line stage
of this form of computing.
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