Integrated Firewire?

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<Bob.Nienhuis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> We want to capture video using a propritary program. We talked to the
> mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC (>2.4GHz) with a fully
> integrated Firewire (not via PCI) interface."

Whether the firewire is on the mainboard or a PCI card really does not
matter - why you were told this I can't figure. All the latest video editing
programs, Premiere Pro, Vegas, MediaStudio and a host of others only require
an OHCI compliant 1394 (firewire).

The computer will be
> running some other somewhat processor intensive stuff at the same time,
> presumably this is why the special requirement.
>

When capturing video, no matter what the source - hardware editing card or
OHCI 1394, you will not be able to run any other operations, i.e. you cannot
mullti-task and capture video at the same time. Any movement such as
clicking the mouse on another program icon and the simple minimizing of the
capture program will stop it dead in it's tracks.

> I've looked around for such a beast, without much luck.
> Does anyone know where to get such a thing?
>

Any, and I repeat any fast computer with a simple OHCI card and an NLE
software installed will do the trick for your video editing needs. What
those are will deem how fast a computer you want along with how much you
want to spend. If simple OHCI editing is what you want any computer in the
P4 family from the 2.0GHz to the newest P4 LGA 775 Extreme Edition
processors are great. Almost every mainboard has 1394 on it these days. Dell
has a ton of systems available with 1394 and so do HP, Gateway, Digital
Video Solutions, Guy Graphics, DVLine and any others of us found listed in
the turnkey section of Videomaker magazine's website.

> Bob
> Bob.Nienhuis(at)gmail.com
>

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Bob.Nienhuis wrote ...
> We want to capture video using a propritary program. We
> talked to the mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC
> (>2.4GHz) with a fully integrated Firewire (not via PCI)
> interface." The computer will be running some other
> somewhat processor intensive stuff at the same time,
> presumably this is why the special requirement.
>
> I've looked around for such a beast, without much luck.
> Does anyone know where to get such a thing?

I just put together a computer with an Asus motherboard
that had integrated IEEE1394. There were several choices.
Don't know why you should have any difficulty finding several.

Hope you have some really good reason to use proprietary
software. It gives me a headache just thinking about it.

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Bob.Nienhuis@gmail.com wrote:
> We want to capture video using a propritary program. We talked to the
> mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC (>2.4GHz) with a fully
> integrated Firewire (not via PCI) interface." The computer will be
> running some other somewhat processor intensive stuff at the same time,
> presumably this is why the special requirement.
>
> I've looked around for such a beast, without much luck.
> Does anyone know where to get such a thing?
>
> Bob
> Bob.Nienhuis(at)gmail.com
>

People selling you stuff say lots of crazy things. Probably to make
their stuff sound important, an to give them every out they can find
when it dosen't work like they said it would. That and they just
don't know any better. If I had a nickel for every manufacturer who said
their product was "Blazing fast!", I'd be a very very rich person.

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<Bob.Nienhuis@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> We want to capture video using a propritary program. We talked to the
> mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC (>2.4GHz) with a fully
> integrated Firewire (not via PCI) interface." The computer will be
> running some other somewhat processor intensive stuff at the same time,
> presumably this is why the special requirement.
>


I use the firewire port of SB Audigy for DV imput (Win2000SP4). No problem
at all!



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did a little search and found a couple of late model mobos which use PCI
integrated firewire.For instance a Tyan Dual Opteron Mobo uses the TI
TSB43AB22 IEEE 1394a PCI

so I don't think it is a given.

"Will Dormann" <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> nap wrote:
>>
>> I had understood that all of the onboard 1394 interfaces were simply
>> connected as if they were cards anyway. Full PCI..
>> I would rather not have all of that stuff on the motherboard anyway. Just
>> give me a lot of slots.
>
> Nope. Not unless you got an old and/or horribly designed board.
> Any modern system with integrated 1394 will have it connected via V-link
> or hypertransport or some other high-speed interconnect. That way the
> traffic is separate from the PCI bus (where it may be required for other
> things)
>
>
> --
> -WD

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I'm glad you caught that. I cannot shake the impulse to speak from a
hardware editing card (proprietary) system where capture is halted with
background work. OHCI is completely different.

"jcisbell" <jcisbell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Digital Video Solutions wrote:
>> <Bob.Nienhuis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1112739662.338170.122220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > We want to capture video using a propritary program. We talked to
> the
>> > mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC (>2.4GHz) with a fully
>> > integrated Firewire (not via PCI) interface."
>>
>> Whether the firewire is on the mainboard or a PCI card really does
> not
>> matter - why you were told this I can't figure. All the latest video
> editing
>> programs, Premiere Pro, Vegas, MediaStudio and a host of others only
> require
>> an OHCI compliant 1394 (firewire).
>>
>> The computer will be
>> > running some other somewhat processor intensive stuff at the same
> time,
>> > presumably this is why the special requirement.
>> >
>>
>> When capturing video, no matter what the source - hardware editing
> card or
>> OHCI 1394, you will not be able to run any other operations, i.e. you
> cannot
>> mullti-task and capture video at the same time. Any movement such as
>> clicking the mouse on another program icon and the simple minimizing
> of the
>> capture program will stop it dead in it's tracks.
>>
>> > I've looked around for such a beast, without much luck.
>> > Does anyone know where to get such a thing?
>> >
>>
>> Any, and I repeat any fast computer with a simple OHCI card and an
> NLE
>> software installed will do the trick for your video editing needs.
> What
>> those are will deem how fast a computer you want along with how much
> you
>> want to spend. If simple OHCI editing is what you want any computer
> in the
>> P4 family from the 2.0GHz to the newest P4 LGA 775 Extreme Edition
>> processors are great. Almost every mainboard has 1394 on it these
> days. Dell
>> has a ton of systems available with 1394 and so do HP, Gateway,
> Digital
>> Video Solutions, Guy Graphics, DVLine and any others of us found
> listed in
>> the turnkey section of Videomaker magazine's website.
>>
>> > Bob
>
> I have no interest in starting a Mac vs PC debate. In fact, I'm typing
> this message on my PC. However, I'm sitting next to my G5 which is just
> completing capturing the fifth 1 hour plus chunk of video. Mac's
> running OSX CAN do other things while capturing. For example, I'm
> creating a DVD at the same time that I'm finishing this last capture.
> Even a little iBook will capture video perfectly - with no extra
> hardware. So, there's my 2 cents.
>
> Jeff
>> > Bob.Nienhuis(at)gmail.com
>> >
>

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"jcisbell" <jcisbell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Digital Video Solutions wrote:
>> <Bob.Nienhuis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1112739662.338170.122220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > We want to capture video using a propritary program. We talked to
> the
>> > mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC (>2.4GHz) with a fully
>> > integrated Firewire (not via PCI) interface."
>>
>> Whether the firewire is on the mainboard or a PCI card really does
> not
>> matter - why you were told this I can't figure. All the latest video
> editing
>> programs, Premiere Pro, Vegas, MediaStudio and a host of others only
> require
>> an OHCI compliant 1394 (firewire).
>>
>> The computer will be
>> > running some other somewhat processor intensive stuff at the same
> time,
>> > presumably this is why the special requirement.
>> >
>>
>> When capturing video, no matter what the source - hardware editing
> card or
>> OHCI 1394, you will not be able to run any other operations, i.e. you
> cannot
>> mullti-task and capture video at the same time. Any movement such as
>> clicking the mouse on another program icon and the simple minimizing
> of the
>> capture program will stop it dead in it's tracks.

>> > Bob
>
> I have no interest in starting a Mac vs PC debate. In fact, I'm typing
> this message on my PC. However, I'm sitting next to my G5 which is just
> completing capturing the fifth 1 hour plus chunk of video. Mac's
> running OSX CAN do other things while capturing. For example, I'm
> creating a DVD at the same time that I'm finishing this last capture.
> Even a little iBook will capture video perfectly - with no extra
> hardware. So, there's my 2 cents.
>
> Jeff
>> > Bob.Nienhuis(at)gmail.com
>> >
>

You don't have to start a PC vs. Mac war. We can do this too with Premiere
Pro 1.5.

SSDD

Tom P.

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Henry Padilla wrote:
> "Captain Slick" <CaptainSlick@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:jFT4e.162$Fm5.159@trndny09...
> >
> > "RS" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4253f1fd$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> >> Bob.Nienhuis@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> We want to capture video using a propritary program. We talked to
the
> >>> mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC (>2.4GHz) with a fully
> >>> integrated Firewire (not via PCI) interface." The computer will
be
> >>> running some other somewhat processor intensive stuff at the same
time,
> >>> presumably this is why the special requirement.
> >>>
> >>> I've looked around for such a beast, without much luck.
> >>> Does anyone know where to get such a thing?
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>> Bob.Nienhuis(at)gmail.com
> >
> > I've never read where integrated firewire has any benefits over PCI

> > adapter version.
>
> On the outside chance that you had several, and I mean SEVERAL,
things
> running off the PCI bus in the first place you might not be able to
get
> enough throughput to sustain a capture.
>
> But were talking TONS of high bandwidth stuff. I've got a soundcard
which
> also servers as my firewire, a EIDE controller card with two drives
on it
> (one I am capturing to), a PARIS board, a network card, and a USB 2.0
card,
> and I have never run into a problem.
>
> Might want to check if this guys was trying to sell you something.
He may
> be trying to make money.
>
> Tom P.


Yeah, his advice might be right, but his motives are a question to be
answered. Regarding the other folks comments re what they can and can't
do, Mac vs PC. It's true, all the systems keep getting better. I've not
seen "waiting to display video" for a long time, but on my older system
I do.

Jeff

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"David Chien" <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote in message
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> >>>>We want to capture video using a propritary program. We talked to
> >>>>mfgr.,who said we need, "a very fast PC (>2.4GHz) with a fully
> >>>>integrated Firewire (not via PCI) interface."
>
> Would be interesting to know what program would bring a 2+Ghz PC to
> its knees for a simple FW capture - something even a 500Mhz PC can do
> just fine.
>
> Anyways, http://us.shuttle.com/ -> Products -> SS51G.
> For $200 or less, you get a full PC motherboard + integrated FW in a
> nice, small box - simply add CPU, RAM, drives and you're done! Other
> models add more power, but cost more.
>
> Works fine here as a regular desktop PC and runs fast. Assembles in
> about 1/2 hour flat. Can run a 3.06Ghz P4 easily.

Couple of thoughts here ---
1) If they are compressing at the same time they are capturing, that can
bring a fast cpu to a crawl (in which case look into some sort of
hardware compression card).

2) Not sure why a "fast 1394" card is an issue -- the DV from a normal
video source is well below the firewire transfer spec.

mikey