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that's incredible. i thought that 60fps was pushing the limits!
 
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what would you edit and burn with? i would think something like that
would greatly exceed dvd playback capabilities, and would bring
harddrives and editing programs to a crawl. but i'm new to video, so i
could be wrong.
 
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<genericaudioperson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> what would you edit and burn with? i would think something like that
> would greatly exceed dvd playback capabilities, and would bring
> harddrives and editing programs to a crawl. but i'm new to video, so i
> could be wrong.
>
Typically you shoot at a high frame rate, and then view it at a much
lower frame rate so that you can observe the action in slow motion.

As for editing, you could use anything that will allow an arbitrary
frame size. For instance, you might shoot at 2000fps and then
edit that footage with Vegas at 30fps and have nice slow motion.
You would even have some extra resolution to allow you to do a
little reframing and cropping (zooming in).

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"Larry J." <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message
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> That's the whole point of high-speed cameras. You do not record
> events of long duration using high-speed. If you attempted to watch
> in real time at 3000fps, the action would be too fast.
>
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To be technical, the action is what it is regardless the FPS.
It's just that to capture events that take place in less than a
thirtieth of a second you need much more than 30FPS.

If it was recorded at 3000FPS and played back "in real
time at 3000FPS" then it would look the same speed as if
you were seeing it with your own eyes, it would only be
100 times the size of a 30FPS recording. ( There would
be no motion blur though.)

You also might find it difficult to locate a player that can
playback at 3000FPS.

Luck;
Ken
 
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In rec.video.production Mike Kujbida <kujfam@xplornet.com> wrote:

| I know this topic comes up periodically so I thought I'd supply a new
| link for anyone interested in this area. The fastes model will do up
| to 2,000 frames/sec. at a res of 1024 x 768.
| More info at http://www.photron.com/index.cfm
| Check out the gallery at http://www.photron.com/gallery/gallery.cfm for
| some amazing samples.

How about MPEGs instead of Flash?

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In rec.video.production genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:

| that's incredible. i thought that 60fps was pushing the limits!

Some of their models can go to 250000 fps with reduced resolution.
The data rates on that would be massive.

If they weren't (likely to be) so expensive, they could be fun.
Instead, I'll have to settle for the reverse (time lapse).

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genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:
> what would you edit and burn with? i would think something like that
> would greatly exceed dvd playback capabilities, and would bring
> harddrives and editing programs to a crawl. but i'm new to video, so i
> could be wrong.

Yeah, just like you can't edit or watch high-speed film.



Truly sorry, but just couldn't resist.

I'll be checking out the links to find out what the recording protocol
is, and how they cram that much image data down ANY pipe.
 
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phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:

> In rec.video.production genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> | that's incredible. i thought that 60fps was pushing the limits!
>
> Some of their models can go to 250000 fps with reduced resolution.
> The data rates on that would be massive.
>
> If they weren't (likely to be) so expensive, they could be fun.
> Instead, I'll have to settle for the reverse (time lapse).

Probably, just like high-speed film, this will be a niche market for
consulting specialists. You want high-speed, you go call Bob.
 
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In rec.video.production Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov> wrote:
| genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:
|> what would you edit and burn with? i would think something like that
|> would greatly exceed dvd playback capabilities, and would bring
|> harddrives and editing programs to a crawl. but i'm new to video, so i
|> could be wrong.
|
| Yeah, just like you can't edit or watch high-speed film.
|
|
|
| Truly sorry, but just couldn't resist.
|
| I'll be checking out the links to find out what the recording protocol
| is, and how they cram that much image data down ANY pipe.

10 gbps is not hard to do over short distances. But it is too fast for a
normal disk storage. RAM could keep up until it is full (in a few seconds).
Some of the things I can imagine using a high speed camera for would also
involve some kind of trigger that would follow the event of interest and
could tell a computer to stop storing video in a big RAM loop, leaving me
with the last few seconds which should cover the event. Then dump it to
disk over the next few minutes, and edit it down to the cool parts. Still,
that would be a lot of RAM. However, if you can afford the camera you can
probably also afford the RAM.

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On 8/4/2005, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net managed to type:
> In rec.video.production Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov> wrote:
>> genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> what would you edit and burn with? i would think something like that
>>> would greatly exceed dvd playback capabilities, and would bring
>>> harddrives and editing programs to a crawl. but i'm new to video, so i
>>> could be wrong.
>>
>> Yeah, just like you can't edit or watch high-speed film.
>>
>>
>>
>> Truly sorry, but just couldn't resist.
>>
>> I'll be checking out the links to find out what the recording protocol
>> is, and how they cram that much image data down ANY pipe.
>
> 10 gbps is not hard to do over short distances. But it is too fast for a
> normal disk storage. RAM could keep up until it is full (in a few seconds).
> Some of the things I can imagine using a high speed camera for would also
> involve some kind of trigger that would follow the event of interest and
> could tell a computer to stop storing video in a big RAM loop, leaving me
> with the last few seconds which should cover the event. Then dump it to
> disk over the next few minutes, and edit it down to the cool parts. Still,
> that would be a lot of RAM. However, if you can afford the camera you can
> probably also afford the RAM.

I don't know why your post in this thread is the one that reminded me
of this, but what the heck.

When I was a young physicist, there were ultra high speed film cameras
that basically put a strip of 35 mm film, maybe five feet long, on
inside of a half drum (emulsion facing the center), a lens at the
center of the flat side, and a rapidly spinning prism to send the light
from the lens to the film. Basically, the shutter was open long enough
for the image to go from one end of the film to the other, maybe a
millisecond in all.

As I recall it this was a thin slit of an image, not a whole frame, so
you'd get a high speed image of just a slice (or cross-section) of
reality, but I vaguely remember similar configurations taking perhaps a
hundred or two frames in a time on the order of milliseconds.

This was definitely analog.

Gino

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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:31:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:

>On 8/4/2005, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net managed to type:
>> In rec.video.production Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov> wrote:
>>> genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> what would you edit and burn with? i would think something like that
>>>> would greatly exceed dvd playback capabilities, and would bring
>>>> harddrives and editing programs to a crawl. but i'm new to video, so i
>>>> could be wrong.
>>>
>>> Yeah, just like you can't edit or watch high-speed film.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Truly sorry, but just couldn't resist.
>>>
>>> I'll be checking out the links to find out what the recording protocol
>>> is, and how they cram that much image data down ANY pipe.
>>
>> 10 gbps is not hard to do over short distances. But it is too fast for a
>> normal disk storage. RAM could keep up until it is full (in a few seconds).
>> Some of the things I can imagine using a high speed camera for would also
>> involve some kind of trigger that would follow the event of interest and
>> could tell a computer to stop storing video in a big RAM loop, leaving me
>> with the last few seconds which should cover the event. Then dump it to
>> disk over the next few minutes, and edit it down to the cool parts. Still,
>> that would be a lot of RAM. However, if you can afford the camera you can
>> probably also afford the RAM.
>
>I don't know why your post in this thread is the one that reminded me
>of this, but what the heck.
>
>When I was a young physicist, there were ultra high speed film cameras
>that basically put a strip of 35 mm film, maybe five feet long, on
>inside of a half drum (emulsion facing the center), a lens at the
>center of the flat side, and a rapidly spinning prism to send the light
>from the lens to the film. Basically, the shutter was open long enough
>for the image to go from one end of the film to the other, maybe a
>millisecond in all.
>
>As I recall it this was a thin slit of an image, not a whole frame, so
>you'd get a high speed image of just a slice (or cross-section) of
>reality, but I vaguely remember similar configurations taking perhaps a
>hundred or two frames in a time on the order of milliseconds.
>
>This was definitely analog.
The high speed cameras were made by Edggerton engineering.
We used them in the service to record weapons and munitions tests.
As I recall something on the order of 1000 frames a second or faster.
I remember them eating up 800-1200 ft reels of 35mm film in just
seconds.
>
>Gino
 
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On 8/5/2005, none managed to type:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:31:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 8/4/2005, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net managed to type:
>>> In rec.video.production Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov> wrote:
>>>> genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> what would you edit and burn with? i would think something like that
>>>>> would greatly exceed dvd playback capabilities, and would bring
>>>>> harddrives and editing programs to a crawl. but i'm new to video, so i
>>>>> could be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, just like you can't edit or watch high-speed film.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Truly sorry, but just couldn't resist.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be checking out the links to find out what the recording protocol
>>>> is, and how they cram that much image data down ANY pipe.
>>>
>>> 10 gbps is not hard to do over short distances. But it is too fast for a
>>> normal disk storage. RAM could keep up until it is full (in a few
>>> seconds). Some of the things I can imagine using a high speed camera for
>>> would also involve some kind of trigger that would follow the event of
>>> interest and could tell a computer to stop storing video in a big RAM loop,
>>> leaving me with the last few seconds which should cover the event. Then
>>> dump it to disk over the next few minutes, and edit it down to the cool
>>> parts. Still, that would be a lot of RAM. However, if you can afford the
>>> camera you can probably also afford the RAM.
>>
>> I don't know why your post in this thread is the one that reminded me
>> of this, but what the heck.
>>
>> When I was a young physicist, there were ultra high speed film cameras
>> that basically put a strip of 35 mm film, maybe five feet long, on
>> inside of a half drum (emulsion facing the center), a lens at the
>> center of the flat side, and a rapidly spinning prism to send the light
>> from the lens to the film. Basically, the shutter was open long enough
>> for the image to go from one end of the film to the other, maybe a
>> millisecond in all.
>>
>> As I recall it this was a thin slit of an image, not a whole frame, so
>> you'd get a high speed image of just a slice (or cross-section) of
>> reality, but I vaguely remember similar configurations taking perhaps a
>> hundred or two frames in a time on the order of milliseconds.
>>
>> This was definitely analog.
> The high speed cameras were made by Edggerton engineering.
> We used them in the service to record weapons and munitions tests.
> As I recall something on the order of 1000 frames a second or faster.
> I remember them eating up 800-1200 ft reels of 35mm film in just
> seconds.
>>
>> Gino

This is very different - much more powerful - than what I recalled. 800
or more feet of film in seconds. Whoosh!

I wonder if anyone is still doing that sort of stuff these days?

Gino

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On 8/5/2005, Larry J. managed to type:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, none <Vampyres@nettaxi.com>
> said:
>
>> The high speed cameras were made by Edggerton engineering.
>> We used them in the service to record weapons and munitions
>> tests. As I recall something on the order of 1000 frames a
>> second or faster. I remember them eating up 800-1200 ft reels of
>> 35mm film in just seconds.
>
> Several years ago, I read about one high-speed film camera which
> operated at the equivalent of 30-40,000 fps. (Maybe much higher, I
> don't remember.)
>
> The film did not travel because trying to move film at such great
> speeds would disintegrate it.. Instead, it was wrapped in place
> around he inside of a drum. In the center of the drum, was a
> spinning prism, of some design. When the light containing the image
> was allowed to hit the spinning prism, all he film was exposed in a
> tiny fraction of a second.
>
> The event being photographed had to be precisely timed to the
> exposure.

My, that sounds familiar :)

Gino

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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:24:41 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:

>I wonder if anyone is still doing that sort of stuff these days?

Car crash tests for instance. And probably the Myth Busters as well :)

cheers

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On 8/6/2005, Martin Heffels managed to type:
> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:24:41 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if anyone is still doing that sort of stuff these days?
>
> Car crash tests for instance. And probably the Myth Busters as well :)
>
> cheers
>
> -martin-

Thanks, yes, I should have figured that out...

To clarify my (unclear) question, I meant more like: are people still
using the drum-style film cameras or very high speed frame-oriented
film cameras, or are high-speed studies happening on tape or disk these
days?

Gino

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:40:36 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:

>On 8/6/2005, Martin Heffels managed to type:
>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:24:41 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
>> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if anyone is still doing that sort of stuff these days?
>>
>> Car crash tests for instance. And probably the Myth Busters as well :)
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> -martin-
>
>Thanks, yes, I should have figured that out...
>
>To clarify my (unclear) question, I meant more like: are people still
>using the drum-style film cameras or very high speed frame-oriented
>film cameras, or are high-speed studies happening on tape or disk these
>days?
>
>Gino

Film is still king for critical apps, or so I'm told.( I'm very much
retired, except for the piddling around I do with local film students
and such.)
Last time I saw any high speed film footage was the Columbia explosion
back in the mid 80's. Had a friend who was in charge of the high speed
launch cameras down at the cape. I helped him with service/repair work
on some of the cameras and lab equipment and got a chance to have a
look at some of the footage.( They called everyone in to ensure that
the processors were in perfect order as the film HAD to come out no
if, ands or buts.)

Seems I read an article some years ago where some physicist had built
the worlds fastest camera, shutter speeds in the millionth of a second
or faster. No moving parts, all based on electromagnatism or some
such.
Designed to capture images of sub-atomic particles or electrons.
Does someone here know of this camera?(My memory isn't what it used to
be.)
 
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"none" <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:40:36 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 8/6/2005, Martin Heffels managed to type:
>>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:24:41 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
>>> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if anyone is still doing that sort of stuff these days?
>>>
>>> Car crash tests for instance. And probably the Myth Busters as well :)
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> -martin-
>>
>>Thanks, yes, I should have figured that out...
>>
>>To clarify my (unclear) question, I meant more like: are people still
>>using the drum-style film cameras or very high speed frame-oriented
>>film cameras, or are high-speed studies happening on tape or disk these
>>days?
>>
>>Gino
>
> Film is still king for critical apps, or so I'm told.( I'm very much
> retired, except for the piddling around I do with local film students
> and such.)
> Last time I saw any high speed film footage was the Columbia explosion
> back in the mid 80's. Had a friend who was in charge of the high speed
> launch cameras down at the cape. I helped him with service/repair work
> on some of the cameras and lab equipment and got a chance to have a
> look at some of the footage.( They called everyone in to ensure that
> the processors were in perfect order as the film HAD to come out no
> if, ands or buts.)
>
> Seems I read an article some years ago where some physicist had built
> the worlds fastest camera, shutter speeds in the millionth of a second
> or faster. No moving parts, all based on electromagnatism or some
> such.
> Designed to capture images of sub-atomic particles or electrons.
> Does someone here know of this camera?(My memory isn't what it used to
> be.)


Try this page:

http://www.visiblesolutions.com/

How's 1600 x 1200 pixels @ 1,000 pictures per second?

http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/high_speed_video/

Google "High Speed Video Camera" and you'll get over a million hits.

Steve King
 

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"Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 8/5/2005, Larry J. managed to type:
>> Waiving the right to remain silent, none <Vampyres@nettaxi.com>
>> said:
>>> The high speed cameras were made by Edggerton engineering.
>>> We used them in the service to record weapons and munitions
>>> tests. As I recall something on the order of 1000 frames a
>>> second or faster. I remember them eating up 800-1200 ft reels of
>>> 35mm film in just seconds.
>>
>> Several years ago, I read about one high-speed film camera which operated
>> at the equivalent of 30-40,000 fps. (Maybe much higher, I don't
>> remember.)
>>
>> The film did not travel because trying to move film at such great speeds
>> would disintegrate it.. Instead, it was wrapped in place around he
>> inside of a drum. In the center of the drum, was a spinning prism, of
>> some design. When the light containing the image was allowed to hit the
>> spinning prism, all he film was exposed in a tiny fraction of a second.
>>
>> The event being photographed had to be precisely timed to the exposure.
>
> My, that sounds familiar :)
>
> Gino
>
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:34:26 -0500, "Steve King"
<steveSPAMBLOCK@stevekingSPAMBLOCK.net> wrote:

>"none" <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
>news:f2ptf1tukevgqima7ik0af2bpl655thhu0@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:40:36 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
>> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/6/2005, Martin Heffels managed to type:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:24:41 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
>>>> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if anyone is still doing that sort of stuff these days?
>>>>
>>>> Car crash tests for instance. And probably the Myth Busters as well :)
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> -martin-
>>>
>>>Thanks, yes, I should have figured that out...
>>>
>>>To clarify my (unclear) question, I meant more like: are people still
>>>using the drum-style film cameras or very high speed frame-oriented
>>>film cameras, or are high-speed studies happening on tape or disk these
>>>days?
>>>
>>>Gino
>>
>> Film is still king for critical apps, or so I'm told.( I'm very much
>> retired, except for the piddling around I do with local film students
>> and such.)
>> Last time I saw any high speed film footage was the Columbia explosion
>> back in the mid 80's. Had a friend who was in charge of the high speed
>> launch cameras down at the cape. I helped him with service/repair work
>> on some of the cameras and lab equipment and got a chance to have a
>> look at some of the footage.( They called everyone in to ensure that
>> the processors were in perfect order as the film HAD to come out no
>> if, ands or buts.)
>>
>> Seems I read an article some years ago where some physicist had built
>> the worlds fastest camera, shutter speeds in the millionth of a second
>> or faster. No moving parts, all based on electromagnatism or some
>> such.
>> Designed to capture images of sub-atomic particles or electrons.
>> Does someone here know of this camera?(My memory isn't what it used to
>> be.)
>
>
>Try this page:
>
>http://www.visiblesolutions.com/
>
>How's 1600 x 1200 pixels @ 1,000 pictures per second?
>
>http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/high_speed_video/
>
>Google "High Speed Video Camera" and you'll get over a million hits.
>
>Steve King
>
>
Geez... I feel really old. You youngsters have it sooo good.