How do I get MP3's on my device?

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Hi all,

OK my son has my first jornada that I passed along to him. He is fourteen.
Reality Check<yikes>..so he would like me to ask you experts how for one he
can take his CD music and turn it into a mp3 file and place it on his
jornada which now has a trial of pocket music on it burning a hole in his
pocket.

I am not sure about that stuff. He is young and I am well...a mother..a geek
mother ok...but still a mother if you know what I mean. so, we need
something easy for him to understand. Thanks in Advance.

--
Thanks,

Geek using
Jornada 547

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He can create the mp3 using quintaessential player or musicmatch or any
software and pass it to the jornada using activesync

"Geek" <geek@geek.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:%23iIR6fOSEHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi all,
>
> OK my son has my first jornada that I passed along to him. He is fourteen.
> Reality Check<yikes>..so he would like me to ask you experts how for one
he
> can take his CD music and turn it into a mp3 file and place it on his
> jornada which now has a trial of pocket music on it burning a hole in his
> pocket.
>
> I am not sure about that stuff. He is young and I am well...a mother..a
geek
> mother ok...but still a mother if you know what I mean. so, we need
> something easy for him to understand. Thanks in Advance.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Geek using
> Jornada 547
>
>

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Well, on the windows media player I see tht there are plugins that cost
moola for creating mp3 with window media player. Any free alternatives. I
would assume you need to have conversion software for this.


"Manuel Romero" <mromerop_arroba_hotmail_punto_com> wrote in message
news:ePl$J5OSEHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> He can create the mp3 using quintaessential player or musicmatch or any
> software and pass it to the jornada using activesync
>
> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:%23iIR6fOSEHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > OK my son has my first jornada that I passed along to him. He is
fourteen.
> > Reality Check<yikes>..so he would like me to ask you experts how for one
> he
> > can take his CD music and turn it into a mp3 file and place it on his
> > jornada which now has a trial of pocket music on it burning a hole in
his
> > pocket.
> >
> > I am not sure about that stuff. He is young and I am well...a mother..a
> geek
> > mother ok...but still a mother if you know what I mean. so, we need
> > something easy for him to understand. Thanks in Advance.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geek using
> > Jornada 547
> >
> >
>
>

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Hi Eric,

Thanks. I did also download musicmatch and it seems to have worked but it
did seem a bit weird to figure out at first, but we muttled our way through
it. I am going to check your advice too. Sounds good and if it is simple all
the better.

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these files supposed to be smaller than
wmf? Isn't that supposed to be the attraction? Sorry, as you can tell I
haven't played with this before. my device is so old that an media bogs it
down, but my son has a clean device because he doesn't use anything so I
figured he could try this out.
"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:%2321HZYPSEHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> CDex(http://www.cdex.n3.net/) is free, uses the lame encoder and works
> great. I've been using it for years and it's just a great program.
>
> --
> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
>
> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
> news:%233YtYKPSEHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Well, on the windows media player I see tht there are plugins that cost
> > moola for creating mp3 with window media player. Any free alternatives.
I
> > would assume you need to have conversion software for this.
> >
> >
> > "Manuel Romero" <mromerop_arroba_hotmail_punto_com> wrote in message
> > news:ePl$J5OSEHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> He can create the mp3 using quintaessential player or musicmatch or any
> >> software and pass it to the jornada using activesync
> >>
> >> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >> news:%23iIR6fOSEHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > OK my son has my first jornada that I passed along to him. He is
> > fourteen.
> >> > Reality Check<yikes>..so he would like me to ask you experts how for
> >> > one
> >> he
> >> > can take his CD music and turn it into a mp3 file and place it on his
> >> > jornada which now has a trial of pocket music on it burning a hole in
> > his
> >> > pocket.
> >> >
> >> > I am not sure about that stuff. He is young and I am well...a
mother..a
> >> geek
> >> > mother ok...but still a mother if you know what I mean. so, we need
> >> > something easy for him to understand. Thanks in Advance.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Geek using
> >> > Jornada 547
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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The file sizes between mp3's and wma's at the same bitrate will be the same
size. The difference is in the sound. Wma's sound much better than mp3s at
lower bitrates < 96k. It depends on how critical you are of your music.
For getting music on the ppc, windows media does a great job as all you have
to do is sit the device on the cradle to sync, open wmp on the desktop and
tell it to transfer to your device or the storage card on your device. With
cdex you have to manually transfer the files over and I believe musicmatch
can move the files in the same way as windows media player.

--
Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)

The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...



"Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
news:%232dRVHQSEHA.2216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Eric,
>
> Thanks. I did also download musicmatch and it seems to have worked but it
> did seem a bit weird to figure out at first, but we muttled our way
> through
> it. I am going to check your advice too. Sounds good and if it is simple
> all
> the better.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these files supposed to be smaller
> than
> wmf? Isn't that supposed to be the attraction? Sorry, as you can tell I
> haven't played with this before. my device is so old that an media bogs it
> down, but my son has a clean device because he doesn't use anything so I
> figured he could try this out.
> "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> wrote
> in message news:%2321HZYPSEHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> CDex(http://www.cdex.n3.net/) is free, uses the lame encoder and works
>> great. I've been using it for years and it's just a great program.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>>
>> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights...
>>
>>
>>
>> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
>> news:%233YtYKPSEHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > Well, on the windows media player I see tht there are plugins that cost
>> > moola for creating mp3 with window media player. Any free alternatives.
> I
>> > would assume you need to have conversion software for this.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Manuel Romero" <mromerop_arroba_hotmail_punto_com> wrote in message
>> > news:ePl$J5OSEHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >> He can create the mp3 using quintaessential player or musicmatch or
>> >> any
>> >> software and pass it to the jornada using activesync
>> >>
>> >> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> >> news:%23iIR6fOSEHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > OK my son has my first jornada that I passed along to him. He is
>> > fourteen.
>> >> > Reality Check<yikes>..so he would like me to ask you experts how for
>> >> > one
>> >> he
>> >> > can take his CD music and turn it into a mp3 file and place it on
>> >> > his
>> >> > jornada which now has a trial of pocket music on it burning a hole
>> >> > in
>> > his
>> >> > pocket.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am not sure about that stuff. He is young and I am well...a
> mother..a
>> >> geek
>> >> > mother ok...but still a mother if you know what I mean. so, we need
>> >> > something easy for him to understand. Thanks in Advance.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Geek using
>> >> > Jornada 547
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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OK that helps a ton Eric. Thanks, this will help settle him down a bit too
because I think he thought mp3 was a smaller size. I think he is better off
moving the wmfs on the device and calling it done. It certainly will save
him space not to have pocket music on his device too. That Jornada is shaky
the way it is. I can't say the mp3 would sound that different on the
Jornada's tinny little speaker. I don't know maybe it does...will have to
compare.

"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:uPukV$QSEHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> The file sizes between mp3's and wma's at the same bitrate will be the
same
> size. The difference is in the sound. Wma's sound much better than mp3s
at
> lower bitrates < 96k. It depends on how critical you are of your music.
> For getting music on the ppc, windows media does a great job as all you
have
> to do is sit the device on the cradle to sync, open wmp on the desktop and
> tell it to transfer to your device or the storage card on your device.
With
> cdex you have to manually transfer the files over and I believe musicmatch
> can move the files in the same way as windows media player.
>
> --
> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
>
> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
> news:%232dRVHQSEHA.2216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > Thanks. I did also download musicmatch and it seems to have worked but
it
> > did seem a bit weird to figure out at first, but we muttled our way
> > through
> > it. I am going to check your advice too. Sounds good and if it is simple
> > all
> > the better.
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these files supposed to be smaller
> > than
> > wmf? Isn't that supposed to be the attraction? Sorry, as you can tell I
> > haven't played with this before. my device is so old that an media bogs
it
> > down, but my son has a clean device because he doesn't use anything so I
> > figured he could try this out.
> > "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> > wrote
> > in message news:%2321HZYPSEHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> CDex(http://www.cdex.n3.net/) is free, uses the lame encoder and works
> >> great. I've been using it for years and it's just a great program.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> >>
> >> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%233YtYKPSEHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> > Well, on the windows media player I see tht there are plugins that
cost
> >> > moola for creating mp3 with window media player. Any free
alternatives.
> > I
> >> > would assume you need to have conversion software for this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Manuel Romero" <mromerop_arroba_hotmail_punto_com> wrote in message
> >> > news:ePl$J5OSEHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> >> He can create the mp3 using quintaessential player or musicmatch or
> >> >> any
> >> >> software and pass it to the jornada using activesync
> >> >>
> >> >> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >> >> news:%23iIR6fOSEHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Hi all,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > OK my son has my first jornada that I passed along to him. He is
> >> > fourteen.
> >> >> > Reality Check<yikes>..so he would like me to ask you experts how
for
> >> >> > one
> >> >> he
> >> >> > can take his CD music and turn it into a mp3 file and place it on
> >> >> > his
> >> >> > jornada which now has a trial of pocket music on it burning a hole
> >> >> > in
> >> > his
> >> >> > pocket.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am not sure about that stuff. He is young and I am well...a
> > mother..a
> >> >> geek
> >> >> > mother ok...but still a mother if you know what I mean. so, we
need
> >> >> > something easy for him to understand. Thanks in Advance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Geek using
> >> >> > Jornada 547
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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He appears to know more about WMP than most ;-)

Personally, I don't use it for the more sinister reasons that are behind
the scenes... specifically DRM concerns.

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

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Ditto


"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in
message news:u0a5FRYSEHA.2412@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> He appears to know more about WMP than most ;-)
>
> Personally, I don't use it for the more sinister reasons that are behind
> the scenes... specifically DRM concerns.
>
> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]
>

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Winamp can convert content to MP3 with a plugin from thw winamp site.

As far as I can tell, windows media player for PPC can play MP3s -
have I missed something ? I'd prefer to play most stuff on one player
than load several players into memory, leaves more room for music ;-)

Cheers - Neil

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:35:30 GMT, "Mitch_A" <naman@pacbell.net> wrote:

>Whats the trick? Ive tried that option in every conceivable way and all I
>ever get is "Cannot convert protected files". You must be doing another
>step somewhere along the lines as it's not nearly as easy as you make it out
>to be.
>
>The only way Ive found to use iTunes to make MP3/WMA is to burn the songs
>onto a CD then rip em without DRM which effectively eliminates iTunes from
>the loop.
>
>
>Mitch
>
>
>"Marc" <no.s-p-a-m.marcus@imarc.co.uk> wrote in message > Download iTunes.
>> goto www.apple.com/itunes and use that to create MP3 files. It is by far
>> the easiest software to use, and you can create unrestricted MP3s from a
>> CD at any quality you want. I reccomend 112kbs or 96kbs for a mobile
>device.
>>
>> If you use the "get names" tool when converting music iTunes will place
>> music in an organised folder and name all the files accoridng to the
>> song title (in my documents > my music) so you can drag over an album at
>> a time to your device in Windows explorer.
>>
>> You can then make playlists on the PocketPC.
>>
>> Marc
>

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Well, this seems to have been the conclusion my son has reached...He told me
this morning to take off pocket music so that is what we are going to do. He
has no storage device so he is very limited with space.


"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94FDE7367EE17FearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> On WM2003, Media Player appears to play any randomly chosen
> MP3 quite nicely so far, for me.
>
>
>
>
> ~S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in
> news:1mtub0hvm6fgd9h19srho1u4l6vfqhqrs1@4ax.com:
>
> > Winamp can convert content to MP3 with a plugin from thw winamp site.
> >
> > As far as I can tell, windows media player for PPC can play MP3s -
> > have I missed something ? I'd prefer to play most stuff on one player
> > than load several players into memory, leaves more room for music ;-)
> >
> > Cheers - Neil
>
>
>
>
> --
> ======================
> ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
> OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
> iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
> HTTP://www.xarane.com
> ======================

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Geek wrote:
> Hi Manuel,
>
> We ended up using this route in the end with the WMP and it does make
> them smaller which is very helpful. Sounds fine for my son. I dropped
> my new Jornada this week and it smashed into a thousand pieces so my
> son now has my 32 mg compact flash. He should enjoy that with plenty
> of music space. Thanks
>

You might regret dumping MP3s if you decide that you need a dedicated MP3
player with Gb capacity.
I know I did.


--
Brett

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Manuel Romero wrote:
> Thanks for you advice Brett, but I don't have any plan (in the short o
> medium time in the future) to use a dedicated MP3 player, actually my
> 2210 is just fine for my needs.
>

I used to use a 256Mb card for some time but I have to say I did fed up of
having to transfer music every week. Having 15Gb and a 1000 songs with
plenty of space for more is a delight.

cheers


--
Brett

I made wine out of raisins so I wouldn't have to wait for it to age.

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I would have to say my son seems very happy with 10 songs he has on his cf
now. I have a card reader and it is very simple to move the files on and
off. It doesn't bother me.

--
Thanks,

Geek using
Jornada 547


"Manuel Romero" <mromerop_arroba_hotmail_punto_com> wrote in message
news:eXmUmTMTEHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I totally agree, it's exactly my case, but i'm ok with that, by now
>
> "Brett..." <blaniosh@saltwells.dudley.gov.uk> escribió en el mensaje
> news:2ijp2vFnradeU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Manuel Romero wrote:
> > > Thanks for you advice Brett, but I don't have any plan (in the short o
> > > medium time in the future) to use a dedicated MP3 player, actually my
> > > 2210 is just fine for my needs.
> > >
> >
> > I used to use a 256Mb card for some time but I have to say I did fed up
of
> > having to transfer music every week. Having 15Gb and a 1000 songs with
> > plenty of space for more is a delight.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brett
> >
> > I made wine out of raisins so I wouldn't have to wait for it to age.
> >
> >
>
>

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Manuel Romero wrote:
> 10 songs! I have 92 songs and even 85 MB free in my 256 MB SD card.
> But, remember, I use wma at 64 Mhz, it's 2 MB per song, aprox
>

But if you are into early Tangerine Dream, 70's Pink Floyd, Klaus Schulze
etc all very understandable :-)


--
Brett

I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about
everything.

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"Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
news:%23Vg7KO8SEHA.3728@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi Manuel,
>
> We ended up using this route in the end with the WMP and it does make them
> smaller which is very helpful. Sounds fine for my son. I dropped my new
> Jornada this week and it smashed into a thousand pieces so my son now has
my
> 32 mg compact flash. He should enjoy that with plenty of music space.
Thanks
>
>
> "Manuel Romero" <mromerop_arroba_hotmail_punto_com> wrote in message
> news:uoQ%23cmZSEHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > I used to convert my music disc to wma at 64 khz bit rate, and the files
> are
> > smaller than mp3 at 128 khz (of course) and the sound with headphones is
> > good in my ipaq 2210 and pocket music.
> >
> >
> > "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> > escribió en el mensaje news:uPukV$QSEHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > The file sizes between mp3's and wma's at the same bitrate will be the
> > same
> > > size. The difference is in the sound. Wma's sound much better than
> mp3s
> > at
> > > lower bitrates < 96k. It depends on how critical you are of your
> music.
> > > For getting music on the ppc, windows media does a great job as all
you
> > have
> > > to do is sit the device on the cradle to sync, open wmp on the desktop
> and
> > > tell it to transfer to your device or the storage card on your device.
> > With
> > > cdex you have to manually transfer the files over and I believe
> musicmatch
> > > can move the files in the same way as windows media player.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> > >
> > > The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > rights...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%232dRVHQSEHA.2216@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi Eric,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. I did also download musicmatch and it seems to have worked
but
> > it
> > > > did seem a bit weird to figure out at first, but we muttled our way
> > > > through
> > > > it. I am going to check your advice too. Sounds good and if it is
> simple
> > > > all
> > > > the better.
> > > >
> > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these files supposed to be
> smaller
> > > > than
> > > > wmf? Isn't that supposed to be the attraction? Sorry, as you can
tell
> I
> > > > haven't played with this before. my device is so old that an media
> bogs
> > it
> > > > down, but my son has a clean device because he doesn't use anything
so
> I
> > > > figured he could try this out.
> > > > "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]"
<e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote
> > > > in message news:%2321HZYPSEHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > >> CDex(http://www.cdex.n3.net/) is free, uses the lame encoder and
> works
> > > >> great. I've been using it for years and it's just a great program.
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> > > >>
> > > >> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > > >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > >> rights...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:%233YtYKPSEHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > >> > Well, on the windows media player I see tht there are plugins
that
> > cost
> > > >> > moola for creating mp3 with window media player. Any free
> > alternatives.
> > > > I
> > > >> > would assume you need to have conversion software for this.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "Manuel Romero" <mromerop_arroba_hotmail_punto_com> wrote in
> message
> > > >> > news:ePl$J5OSEHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > >> >> He can create the mp3 using quintaessential player or musicmatch
> or
> > > >> >> any
> > > >> >> software and pass it to the jornada using activesync
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> "Geek" <geek@geek.com> escribió en el mensaje
> > > >> >> news:%23iIR6fOSEHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > >> >> > Hi all,
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > OK my son has my first jornada that I passed along to him. He
is
> > > >> > fourteen.
> > > >> >> > Reality Check<yikes>..so he would like me to ask you experts
how
> > for
> > > >> >> > one
> > > >> >> he
> > > >> >> > can take his CD music and turn it into a mp3 file and place it
> on
> > > >> >> > his
> > > >> >> > jornada which now has a trial of pocket music on it burning a
> hole
> > > >> >> > in
> > > >> > his
> > > >> >> > pocket.
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> > > >> >> > I am not sure about that stuff. He is young and I am well...a
> > > > mother..a
> > > >> >> geek
> > > >> >> > mother ok...but still a mother if you know what I mean. so, we
> > need
> > > >> >> > something easy for him to understand. Thanks in Advance.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > --
> > > >> >> > Thanks,
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Geek using
> > > >> >> > Jornada 547
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