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DSL share with neighbor, good or bad?

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January 18, 2003 1:31:58 PM

I talked with my neighbor(just next door) to share the fee with DSL, run by wire or wireless, and he agreed and said yes. Is this good or bad idea to save some money? What is the hidden problem for long term?

If it is OK to go, Who's house does the DSL be stalled in? Is there advantage to be installed in my house? And is wireless fast and far enough for a neighbor compare to wired?

Thanks for sharing your experience.
January 18, 2003 10:42:23 PM

I use to sharing cable connection with my house mate in college and I did not have any problem with it. Wireless conenction is fast enough for sharing internet connection.
January 19, 2003 1:39:11 AM

Remember that bandwidth is your main problem. If your neighbor starts downloading a file and it takes up the bandwidth, then your connection will start to feel a little groggy.

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January 19, 2003 4:52:48 AM

Casiowatch,
You mean wire or wireless that slow me down? Or the DSL modem installed in neighbor that slow me down? If the modem is installed in my house, will it slow me down too?
January 19, 2003 6:25:12 AM

Just a little info on networks:
Wired networks off higher sharing speeds than wireless. For a wired network, it can theoretically support up to 100Mbs, assuming you use a 10/100 Nic. Wire-less networks, mostly the 802.11b standard, offers 11Mbs. In reality, wired gets me about 60Mbs and wireless about 7Mbs.

As for your DSL connection, it really wouldn't matter who's house you are in. If you share the network connection I would recommend you use a network router; i use the linksys BEFSR41 ethernet router w/ 4 port switch. As for the DSL connection, most ISPs here in Souther California offer 700Kbs download/128Kbs upload at around $49.99. Clearly, if you share using the wired or wireless connections, there is enough bandwidth in either connection to connect at maximum speed to the internet.

Here's the calculations for full internet usage bandwidth on wired or wireless networks (given my realistic figures):
wired: 700kbs(internet bandwidth)/60Mbs(total bandwidth) = 1.2% of total network bandwidth
wireless: 700Kbs/7Mbs = 10% of total network bandwidth



Now here's the real problem:
If you and your neighbor are using the internet then you must share the dsl bandwidth (700k/128k). So if you are doing something bandwidth intensive like downloading a video, or watching a streaming video, then you are taking a considerable amount of bandwidth and your neighbor will get the rest. If you watch a video at 500K and your neighbor wants to watch a streaming porno video also at 500K then there will have to be some compromises. One of you will start lagging or both of you will. It happens at my house a lot, my little brothers are watching a music video from launch.com and i want to download a pdf document about 100Mb large, their video will look choppy and sure as hell my download will take a long time (because ususally i could download 100Mb in about 20-40min full bandwidth, and will now take about 5 hours or so because it looks like a 56k connection). In my case i think streaming videos get higher priority in the bandwidth than regular downloads.

Your only hope would be to find some kind of software or hardware that allows you guys to split the network bandwidth evenly when both of you are using it. I think there would be a great market if routers could be programmed to split the internet connection bandwidth customly or evenly between the people connected (so there wouldn't be a bandwidth hog) and then when only 1 person is connected then that person gets full usage of the bandwidth. If there were, i would adjust my bandwidth to 80% and my brother's to 20%.

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<b>My Mentor: <A HREF="http://www.mchawking.com" target="_new">Stephen Hawkings</A></b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by casiowatch on 01/19/03 00:49 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
January 19, 2003 11:27:24 AM

good post. Bottom line: If you wire it, it's no different from 2 people in the same house surfing at the same time, which is what everyone is doing and nobody complains about. So I'd go for it, and if you want more bandwidth just step it up and pay the extra. WOn't be so bad because you're splitting the cost.

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January 20, 2003 2:06:22 AM

Something to consider.Your ISP may not have any qualms about shared service within the same residence,but across two separate residences might be another issue.just a thought.

If ya don't ask..How ya gonna know.
January 20, 2003 6:31:09 AM

...and how would they be finding that gem of info out? :wink:

I would just make sure that you are both sincere and have no plans to move house.

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January 20, 2003 1:23:18 PM

There are also wireless standards 802.11a and 802.11g which transfer at 54Mbps(but on different frequencies), but are more expensive than 802.11b standard. If you can run a wire do it, the equipment is cheaper and faster(100baseTX).
Don't get caught by the cable man, the cable company will press charges against you for violating terms and your neighbor for stealing service. Personally I wouldn't worry about it though. Just don't run the CAT5 cable through the hallway between your apartments.
January 20, 2003 1:35:34 PM

Thanks for the detail explain how to share the bandwidth. It's clear that the hardware bandwidth(wire or wireless) is much more than what the DSL can provide, make me feel safe to go with either way.

Another bandwidth question, I have two PCs and he has three, if all run at the same time, will all be slow as 33 or 56K dialup?
January 20, 2003 1:48:26 PM

If all pc's are d/ling from the net at the same time you will see a performance hit, but if everyone is just surfing the net, looking at webpages or doing other low bandwidth activities, you shouldn't see to much of a performance hit. If you plan of ftping alot, using Mirc, d/ling music, etc. you may not want to share your connection with your neighbor.

Read casiowatch's post above, he has an excellent expanation of this.
January 20, 2003 8:27:32 PM

It shouldn't be a problem, look at sbolinger2's post right above this one. If you are only doing simple web surfing it shouldn't be a problem.

At my home i have 4 computers networked together. I have 2 in my room (big system and a laptop) then I have 2 computers downstiars. Usually one of the computers is downstairs is watching a 300K or 500K music video while I am websurfing or playing a game (America's army uses up little bandwidth). I really don't notice any problem, it feels like a fast connection. Usually one person is on each computer web surfing and I don't notice any lag either. The problem is when i try to watch a music video myself and my little brothers are watching one also, then i start seeing a picture frame show.

Just keep that in mind, if you <b>AND</b> your neighbor are going to use a bandwidth intensive program then i would look into getting a separate DSL or cable line.

One thing i must add. If you are going wireless (wired for me is always the best) remember that the farther you go or the more obstructions there are the lower the connection speed will be. I live in a two story house and my laptop can connect downstairs with full download speed at 7Mbs. If i go outside, it slows down to 2MBs and even sometimes get disconnected.

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<b>My Mentor: <A HREF="http://www.mchawking.com" target="_new">Stephen Hawkings</A></b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by casiowatch on 01/20/03 02:32 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
January 21, 2003 4:19:31 PM

Casiowatch,
Very much like your experience explained the wired and wireless connection, that's also answer to me that wireless DSL modem install in my house better than in neighbor, at least the main source(hardwire) is in my house. But for fair with neighbor(or me), it is better go with wired for no complain later on between me & neighbor, right?
January 26, 2003 4:11:00 PM

Does the term "Loose lips sink ships " sound familiar?
Never underestimate the coconut telegraph service....:) 

If ya don't ask..How ya gonna know.
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