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Anonymous
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April 2, 2004 6:30:51 PM

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Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?

As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?
Anonymous
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April 2, 2004 7:29:10 PM

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We have a white paper about the use of pigment inks
in dye-based printers:

http://www.weink.com/ecom/support/technotes/tsn16.htm

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"O R" <OrlandoReeves@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
> dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
> difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>
> As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?
>
Anonymous
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April 2, 2004 8:15:00 PM

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Which of course is not what the man asked....

You guys are pretty aggressive about promoting yourself here--just to
level the field a bit, I'll say that I think MIS is the preferable 3rd
party supplier.


On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:29:10 -0500, "WeInk" <weink@comcast.net> wrote:

>We have a white paper about the use of pigment inks
>in dye-based printers:
>
>http://www.weink.com/ecom/support/technotes/tsn16.htm

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Anonymous
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April 2, 2004 8:17:33 PM

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:30:51 -0500 (EST), OrlandoReeves@webtv.net (O R)
wrote:

>Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
>dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
>difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>
>As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?

As one responder already said, Epson is the only one selling pigment
printers.

For what it's worth, there is a wide selection of 3rd party pigment
inks for use in "dye-based" printers. biggest selection is for Epson,
But Canon will follow. My choice for 3rd party inks is MIS
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
Anonymous
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April 3, 2004 1:48:47 AM

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In article <12127-406DBF6B-108@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>,
OrlandoReeves@webtv.net says...
> Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
> dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
> difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>
> As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?
>
>
I believe that Epson are the only company using pigment ink,
and then only on certain printers (R800, C80 series?,
2000/2100/2200 and some of the larger format printers).All of
them, except the R800, suffer from 'bronzing' problems on
glossy paper.
April 3, 2004 4:11:17 AM

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I have read that the black ink cartridge for HP printers is pigmented.
JackM

"O R" <OrlandoReeves@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12127-406DBF6B-108@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
> Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
> dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
> difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>
> As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?
>
April 3, 2004 5:14:00 AM

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"O R" <OrlandoReeves@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12127-406DBF6B-108@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
> Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
> dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
> difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>
> As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?

Epson: C80/82, C64/C84 then Stylus 2000 etc.
Now Lexmark is a printer ? Oh well: some pigment based blacks.
Canon have several that use pigmented black - jet i455, i560, i865, the i965
up use Dye.
Tony
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Epson C64/ C84 Lighfast (30% more free) pigmented inks.
Canon BCI-3 i560 i750 BCI-6 i865 S-820 / S-900 series.
Specialist ink refill kits... http://www.inkylink.co.uk
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>
Anonymous
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April 3, 2004 6:41:18 AM

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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:15:00 -0800, Mark Herring
<Nomarkh@surfcity.net> wrote:

>Which of course is not what the man asked....
>
>You guys are pretty aggressive about promoting yourself here--just to
>level the field a bit, I'll say that I think MIS is the preferable 3rd
>party supplier.
>
In the US. In the UK & Europe I'd go for Permajet every time.

There's that's evened it up even more :) 

Don't you just hate spammers posing as helpful people? :) 

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Anonymous
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April 3, 2004 12:00:18 PM

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Not sure about Canon, and HP. I know Epson has both, depending on the
model. I think they claim pigment-based inks last longer.

Bill Crocker


"O R" <OrlandoReeves@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12127-406DBF6B-108@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
> Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
> dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
> difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>
> As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?
>
Anonymous
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April 3, 2004 11:44:51 PM

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I don't have a problem with a guy/ company that post a possible answer or
something that will help me understand......

Sure, he mentioned "their site", ....big deal, you don't have to go there,
it would be different if he just mentioned the

www.weink.com

site........and by the way, has Excellent refill inks for the at least the
BCI-6 series printers....wink, wink.... ;-)



"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:15:00 -0800, Mark Herring
> <Nomarkh@surfcity.net> wrote:
>
> >Which of course is not what the man asked....
> >
> >You guys are pretty aggressive about promoting yourself here--just to
> >level the field a bit, I'll say that I think MIS is the preferable 3rd
> >party supplier.
> >
> In the US. In the UK & Europe I'd go for Permajet every time.
>
> There's that's evened it up even more :) 
>
> Don't you just hate spammers posing as helpful people? :) 
>
> --
>
> Hecate
> Hecate@newsguy.com
> veni, vidi, reliqui
Anonymous
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April 3, 2004 11:55:07 PM

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Actually, the answer to his question is found
midway down the article. Other than Epson no other
desktop printer uses pigment colorants as standard
for there colors. HP, Lexmark, and Canon use pigment
(text grade) for their black 4-color process printers. The article
goes further to explain one of the reasons for this limitation and
how Epson was able to get around this limitation with the development
of encapsulated pigments and a new cartridge design.

As for promotion, even charities promote. I don't
work for a charity. As a part of the services and products we promote,
I provided a link to free information that answered a question
and provided additional information that may be of interest
since the question concerned both pigment and dye colorants.

You may not appreciate access to free information, but others may.
If you have something useful to add to this thread I'm sure it
would be appreciated.

John Mills - Technical Support Manager
http://www.weink.com/
April 4, 2004 3:10:06 PM

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I for one appreciate this approach.

Sound technical information is a real asset to most of us to help us in
making informed purchasing decisions.

I felt John's response was tasteful, providing a link we could follow if
desired. I did, and learned answers to several questions - one of which
I posted earlier with no response!

I don't spend a lot of money on the net, but most of it goes to sites
that provide the kind of info John has supplied.

Jack Wetmore, NB, Can.



WeInk wrote:
>
> Actually, the answer to his question is found
> midway down the article. Other than Epson no other
> desktop printer uses pigment colorants as standard
> for there colors. HP, Lexmark, and Canon use pigment
> (text grade) for their black 4-color process printers. The article
> goes further to explain one of the reasons for this limitation and
> how Epson was able to get around this limitation with the development
> of encapsulated pigments and a new cartridge design.
>
> As for promotion, even charities promote. I don't
> work for a charity. As a part of the services and products we promote,
> I provided a link to free information that answered a question
> and provided additional information that may be of interest
> since the question concerned both pigment and dye colorants.
>
> You may not appreciate access to free information, but others may.
> If you have something useful to add to this thread I'm sure it
> would be appreciated.
>
> John Mills - Technical Support Manager
> http://www.weink.com/
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 5, 2004 6:50:47 AM

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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:44:51 -0500, "Joe Peach"
<joebrouhaha@libcom.com> wrote:

>I don't have a problem with a guy/ company that post a possible answer or
>something that will help me understand......
>
>Sure, he mentioned "their site", ....big deal, you don't have to go there,
>it would be different if he just mentioned the
>
>www.weink.com
>
>site........and by the way, has Excellent refill inks for the at least the
>BCI-6 series printers....wink, wink.... ;-)
>
Most people offering advice here, and in other newsgroups, manage to
do so without promoting their "wares" at the same time, as do I.
There is a fine line between providing information, and merely passing
on info in an attempt to gain custom (aka shilling).

--

Hecate
Hecate@newsguy.com
veni, vidi, reliqui
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 7, 2004 1:10:23 AM

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O R wrote:

> Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
> dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
> difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>
> As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?
>

As far as I know, Epson is the only major manufacturer using pigment inks.
That is why their printers clog a lot more.
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 7, 2004 1:10:24 AM

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Jan George Frajkor wrote:

> O R wrote:
>
>> Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
>> dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
>> difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?
>>
>> As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?
>>
>
> As far as I know, Epson is the only major manufacturer using pigment
> inks. That is why their printers clog a lot more.
>


In reality, only a few recent Epson printers use pigments.

Thus, that isn't the reason why Epson printers are reported as clogging
a lot more.

The print head stays inside the Epson printer "forever" because it isn't
a part of the cartridge and replaced every time the cartridge is replaced.

That is the basic step towards understanding why Epson printers are
reported as having a log more clogs.

Jim
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 8, 2004 2:59:55 AM

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>>Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
>
>Mark, I see your name in here a lot because, for me, it's very noticeable. My
>last name is also Herring!
>
>I don't have an Epson, which you seem to prefer, but I am the new owner of a
>brand new Canon i960. As I plan to do a lot of photo printing (four grandkids
>and an embryo), I am interested in refilling my cartridges.
>
>Could you recommend a good ink and refill kit supplier? I would greatly
>appreciate it.
>
MIS--dont know how much they have for Canon, but it will be there soon
enough. In other forums many folks mention Weink.

Herrings---fishy bunch
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 8, 2004 11:12:34 AM

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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:59:55 -0700, Mark Herring <Nomarkh@surfcity.net> wrote:

>
>>>Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
>>
>>Mark, I see your name in here a lot because, for me, it's very noticeable. My
>>last name is also Herring!
>>
>>I don't have an Epson, which you seem to prefer, but I am the new owner of a
>>brand new Canon i960. As I plan to do a lot of photo printing (four grandkids
>>and an embryo), I am interested in refilling my cartridges.
>>
>>Could you recommend a good ink and refill kit supplier? I would greatly
>>appreciate it.
>>
>MIS--dont know how much they have for Canon, but it will be there soon
>enough. In other forums many folks mention Weink.
>
>Herrings---fishy bunch
>**************************
>Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
>Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

Yup, getting called "Fish" during every year I was in school sure screwed up my
personality!

Now, what does "MIS" mean, if you'll be so kind.

Thanks.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 11, 2004 10:06:01 PM

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> Most people offering advice here, and in other newsgroups, manage to
> do so without promoting their "wares" at the same time, as do I.
> There is a fine line between providing information, and merely passing
> on info in an attempt to gain custom (aka shilling).
>
> --
>
> Hecate

I do see your point...........






"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:44:51 -0500, "Joe Peach"
> <joebrouhaha@libcom.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't have a problem with a guy/ company that post a possible answer or
> >something that will help me understand......
> >
> >Sure, he mentioned "their site", ....big deal, you don't have to go
there,
> >it would be different if he just mentioned the
> >
> >www.weink.com
> >
> >site........and by the way, has Excellent refill inks for the at least
the
> >BCI-6 series printers....wink, wink.... ;-)
> >
> Most people offering advice here, and in other newsgroups, manage to
> do so without promoting their "wares" at the same time, as do I.
> There is a fine line between providing information, and merely passing
> on info in an attempt to gain custom (aka shilling).
>
> --
>
> Hecate
> Hecate@newsguy.com
> veni, vidi, reliqui
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 12, 2004 4:01:33 PM

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>>Herrings---fishy bunch
>>**************************
>>Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
>>Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
>
>Yup, getting called "Fish" during every year I was in school sure screwed up my
>personality!
>
>Now, what does "MIS" mean, if you'll be so kind.
>

MIS Associates---AKA Inksupply

www.inksupply.com
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
Anonymous
a b α HP
April 12, 2004 8:21:31 PM

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:01:33 -0700, Mark Herring <Nomarkh@surfcity.net> wrote:

>
>>>Herrings---fishy bunch
>>>**************************
>>>Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
>>>Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
>>
>>Yup, getting called "Fish" during every year I was in school sure screwed up my
>>personality!
>>
>>Now, what does "MIS" mean, if you'll be so kind.
>>
>
>MIS Associates---AKA Inksupply
>
>www.inksupply.com
>**************************
>Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
>Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

Thanks Mark,

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!
!