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Anonymous
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April 20, 2004 2:32:44 PM

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Hi,

Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 board with 2500 AMD....1 GB Crucial RAM....ATI AiW 9800
Pro....Maxtor 200GB, Pioneer 107D DVD.

Running Windows XP, this machine has been running fine for a few months with
no problems at all. A couple weeks ago, my machine suddenly rebooted itself
when I was in Windows. A couple days later, it did the same thing. It
gradually started to get more frequent.

I wasnt sure if it was hardware or some software I loaded that was causing
the reboots, so I decided to reload Windows XP from scracth to eliminate the
software side of things.

Well, it looks like it is hardware as Windows XP will not even install now.

It will boot off the CD-Rom and loads all the drivers, then gets to the
point during setup where it says "Setup is loading Windows"

At this point it will do 1 of 3 things:

1) Hang there with the "Setup is loading Windows" message at the bottom of
the screen
2) Reboot
3) BSOD - Page_Fault_In_Nonpaged_Area - 0x00000050

Any ideas??
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 20, 2004 7:13:35 PM

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Three letters - rearrange to find the solution : -
S U P
(Hint : Power Supply Unit)

"ZigZag Master" <zigzagmasterSPAMMY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c63cab$7dgsa$1@ID-226470.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hi,
>
> Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 board with 2500 AMD....1 GB Crucial RAM....ATI AiW 9800
> Pro....Maxtor 200GB, Pioneer 107D DVD.
>
> Running Windows XP, this machine has been running fine for a few months
with
> no problems at all. A couple weeks ago, my machine suddenly rebooted
itself
> when I was in Windows. A couple days later, it did the same thing. It
> gradually started to get more frequent.
>
> I wasnt sure if it was hardware or some software I loaded that was causing
> the reboots, so I decided to reload Windows XP from scracth to eliminate
the
> software side of things.
>
> Well, it looks like it is hardware as Windows XP will not even install
now.
>
> It will boot off the CD-Rom and loads all the drivers, then gets to the
> point during setup where it says "Setup is loading Windows"
>
> At this point it will do 1 of 3 things:
>
> 1) Hang there with the "Setup is loading Windows" message at the bottom of
> the screen
> 2) Reboot
> 3) BSOD - Page_Fault_In_Nonpaged_Area - 0x00000050
>
> Any ideas??
>
>
>
April 20, 2004 9:21:24 PM

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"ZigZag Master" <zigzagmasterSPAMMY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c63cab$7dgsa$1@ID-226470.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hi,
>
> Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 board with 2500 AMD....1 GB Crucial RAM....ATI AiW 9800
> Pro....Maxtor 200GB, Pioneer 107D DVD.
>
> Running Windows XP, this machine has been running fine for a few months
with
> no problems at all. A couple weeks ago, my machine suddenly rebooted
itself
> when I was in Windows. A couple days later, it did the same thing. It
> gradually started to get more frequent.
>
> I wasnt sure if it was hardware or some software I loaded that was causing
> the reboots, so I decided to reload Windows XP from scracth to eliminate
the
> software side of things.
>
> Well, it looks like it is hardware as Windows XP will not even install
now.
>
> It will boot off the CD-Rom and loads all the drivers, then gets to the
> point during setup where it says "Setup is loading Windows"
>
> At this point it will do 1 of 3 things:
>
> 1) Hang there with the "Setup is loading Windows" message at the bottom of
> the screen
> 2) Reboot
> 3) BSOD - Page_Fault_In_Nonpaged_Area - 0x00000050
>
> Any ideas??

Really it could be any one of a thousand things. Are you overclocking your
CPU? What are your temperatures like? Did the PC run Prime95 and memtest86
without errors before all this started to happen?

If you can give us more information, then perhaps we can help.

Chip
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Anonymous
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April 20, 2004 9:21:25 PM

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No not overclocking...

I dont think temps are the problems since the machine is crashing during the
text mode portion of setup (nothing taxing happening)

I have two 512MB modules, I have tried both individually with same results.


> Really it could be any one of a thousand things. Are you overclocking
your
> CPU? What are your temperatures like? Did the PC run Prime95 and
memtest86
> without errors before all this started to happen?
>
> If you can give us more information, then perhaps we can help.
>
> Chip
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 20, 2004 9:35:04 PM

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"ZigZag Master" <zigzagmasterSPAMMY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c63j5g$7jkm3$1@ID-226470.news.uni-berlin.de...
> No not overclocking...
>
> I dont think temps are the problems since the machine is crashing during
the
> text mode portion of setup (nothing taxing happening)
>
> I have two 512MB modules, I have tried both individually with same
results.
>
Sounds like a power supply problem.

Alun Harford
April 20, 2004 10:06:45 PM

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"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c63jg0$5po$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> "ZigZag Master" <zigzagmasterSPAMMY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c63j5g$7jkm3$1@ID-226470.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > No not overclocking...
> >
> > I dont think temps are the problems since the machine is crashing during
> the
> > text mode portion of setup (nothing taxing happening)
> >
> > I have two 512MB modules, I have tried both individually with same
> results.
> >
> Sounds like a power supply problem.
>
> Alun Harford
>

Possibly. But why would this suddenly start happening? My money would not
be on the PSU, although like I say it is possible.

ZigZag, I still think it could be down to lots of things, although the extra
info you have given is useful.

I am assuming you haven't changed any bios settings or flashed a new bios
recently? If you have I would double, treble, quadruple check that all the
settings are all as they should be. And have you moved the PC lately? Or
added any components? Or removed any? Changed the configuration in any
way?

And you say the temps are OK? Well what are they? The weather is warming
up now and even this could be a factor. You see, contrary to your comment
that your problem is "wierd", it seems like an extremely common, normal
problem. The crashing is exactly the sort of thing you would expect to
happen if you are running with;

a) your cpu too fast...
b) or possibly with the voltage too low for the speed you are trying to run
c) or with the CPU temp too high...
c2) which could be because of dust build up, or a case fan has failed, or
the heatsink has got moved when you moved the PC, or the bearing is failing
on the HS fan, or... etc etc etc
d) the memory timings are too fast
e) the memory speed is too high
f) the memory voltage is too low for the speed
g) the bios is not well suited to your brand of memory

If I were you, I would go into the bios and drop the speed down or increase
the CPU and memory voltages a little and see if it makes any difference.
And if you can get hold of a memtest86 boot diskette from somewhere, then I
would try running memtest to see if your memory is OK.

Chip
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 20, 2004 11:30:16 PM

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"ZigZag Master" <zigzagmasterSPAMMY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c63cab$7dgsa$1@ID-226470.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hi,
>
> Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 board with 2500 AMD....1 GB Crucial RAM....ATI AiW 9800
> Pro....Maxtor 200GB, Pioneer 107D DVD.
>
> Running Windows XP, this machine has been running fine for a few months
with
> no problems at all. A couple weeks ago, my machine suddenly rebooted
itself
> when I was in Windows. A couple days later, it did the same thing. It
> gradually started to get more frequent.
>
> I wasnt sure if it was hardware or some software I loaded that was causing
> the reboots, so I decided to reload Windows XP from scracth to eliminate
the
> software side of things.
>
> Well, it looks like it is hardware as Windows XP will not even install
now.
>
> It will boot off the CD-Rom and loads all the drivers, then gets to the
> point during setup where it says "Setup is loading Windows"
>
> At this point it will do 1 of 3 things:
>
> 1) Hang there with the "Setup is loading Windows" message at the bottom of
> the screen
> 2) Reboot
> 3) BSOD - Page_Fault_In_Nonpaged_Area - 0x00000050
>
> Any ideas??
>
>
>

Some Info for you, worked for me

hope it helps

http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=5bd8e52ae9a2f5...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 21, 2004 12:11:42 AM

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"Chip" <anneonymouse@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:c63lau$7okch$1@ID-185713.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c63jg0$5po$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> > "ZigZag Master" <zigzagmasterSPAMMY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:c63j5g$7jkm3$1@ID-226470.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > No not overclocking...
> > >
> > > I dont think temps are the problems since the machine is crashing
during
> > the
> > > text mode portion of setup (nothing taxing happening)
> > >
> > > I have two 512MB modules, I have tried both individually with same
> > results.
> > >
> > Sounds like a power supply problem.
> >
> > Alun Harford
> >
>
> Possibly. But why would this suddenly start happening? My money would
not
> be on the PSU,


It might be, had you experience of it.
But let's see.
Once the man changes his PSU, the truth will come out.


although like I say it is possible.
>
> ZigZag, I still think it could be down to lots of things, although the
extra
> info you have given is useful.
>
> I am assuming you haven't changed any bios settings or flashed a new bios
> recently? If you have I would double, treble, quadruple check that all
the
> settings are all as they should be. And have you moved the PC lately? Or
> added any components? Or removed any? Changed the configuration in any
> way?
>
> And you say the temps are OK? Well what are they? The weather is warming
> up now and even this could be a factor. You see, contrary to your comment
> that your problem is "wierd", it seems like an extremely common, normal
> problem. The crashing is exactly the sort of thing you would expect to
> happen if you are running with;
>
> a) your cpu too fast...
> b) or possibly with the voltage too low for the speed you are trying to
run
> c) or with the CPU temp too high...
> c2) which could be because of dust build up, or a case fan has failed, or
> the heatsink has got moved when you moved the PC, or the bearing is
failing
> on the HS fan, or... etc etc etc
> d) the memory timings are too fast
> e) the memory speed is too high
> f) the memory voltage is too low for the speed
> g) the bios is not well suited to your brand of memory
>
> If I were you, I would go into the bios and drop the speed down or
increase
> the CPU and memory voltages a little and see if it makes any difference.
> And if you can get hold of a memtest86 boot diskette from somewhere, then
I
> would try running memtest to see if your memory is OK.
>
> Chip
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 21, 2004 2:06:00 AM

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"Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Chip" <anneonymouse@virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:c63lau$7okch$1@ID-185713.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c63jg0$5po$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> > > "ZigZag Master" <zigzagmasterSPAMMY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:c63j5g$7jkm3$1@ID-226470.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > No not overclocking...
> > > >
> > > > I dont think temps are the problems since the machine is crashing
> during
> > > the
> > > > text mode portion of setup (nothing taxing happening)
> > > >
> > > > I have two 512MB modules, I have tried both individually with same
> > > results.
> > > >
> > > Sounds like a power supply problem.
> > >
> >
> > Possibly. But why would this suddenly start happening? My money would
> not
> > be on the PSU,
>
>
> It might be, had you experience of it.
> But let's see.
> Once the man changes his PSU, the truth will come out.
>
>
> although like I say it is possible.

It is possible that it could be something else, but memory is something that
normally works or doesn't - it doesn't generally 'wear out' like a PSU.
Change the PSU. If that doesn't solve the problem, think again, but 99% of
the time that will be a PSU issue.

If your BIOS has the feature, can you tell us what the voltages are on all
the rails?

Alun Harford
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 21, 2004 2:24:03 AM

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ZigZag Master wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 board with 2500 AMD....1 GB Crucial RAM....ATI AiW
> 9800 Pro....Maxtor 200GB, Pioneer 107D DVD.
>
> Running Windows XP, this machine has been running fine for a few
> months with no problems at all. A couple weeks ago, my machine
> suddenly rebooted itself when I was in Windows. A couple days
> later, it did the same thing. It gradually started to get more
> frequent.
>
> I wasnt sure if it was hardware or some software I loaded that was
> causing the reboots, so I decided to reload Windows XP from scracth
> to eliminate the software side of things.
>
> Well, it looks like it is hardware as Windows XP will not even
> install now.
>
> It will boot off the CD-Rom and loads all the drivers, then gets to
> the point during setup where it says "Setup is loading Windows"
>
> At this point it will do 1 of 3 things:
>
> 1) Hang there with the "Setup is loading Windows" message at the
> bottom of the screen
> 2) Reboot
> 3) BSOD - Page_Fault_In_Nonpaged_Area - 0x00000050
>
> Any ideas??

PSU or RAM

Dan
April 21, 2004 9:55:31 AM

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:24:03 -0500, "Angry American"
<angryn0spamamerican@dool.com> wrote:

>ZigZag Master wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Abit NF7-S rev 2.0 board with 2500 AMD....1 GB Crucial RAM....ATI AiW
>> 9800 Pro....Maxtor 200GB, Pioneer 107D DVD.
>>
>> Running Windows XP, this machine has been running fine for a few
>> months with no problems at all. A couple weeks ago, my machine
>> suddenly rebooted itself when I was in Windows. A couple days
>> later, it did the same thing. It gradually started to get more
>> frequent.
>>
>> I wasnt sure if it was hardware or some software I loaded that was
>> causing the reboots, so I decided to reload Windows XP from scracth
>> to eliminate the software side of things.
>>
>> Well, it looks like it is hardware as Windows XP will not even
>> install now.
>>
>> It will boot off the CD-Rom and loads all the drivers, then gets to
>> the point during setup where it says "Setup is loading Windows"
>>
>> At this point it will do 1 of 3 things:
>>
>> 1) Hang there with the "Setup is loading Windows" message at the
>> bottom of the screen
>> 2) Reboot
>> 3) BSOD - Page_Fault_In_Nonpaged_Area - 0x00000050
>>
>> Any ideas??
>
>PSU or RAM
>
>Dan
>

I'll just jump in here to add, clean out your system, including the
PSU. Take the PSU out, open it up and make sure all the dust is blown
out especially the heatsink and fan. Then clean out any dust in the
cpu heatsink and any other nooks it can accumulate.

This has solved this problem for me many times.

C.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 21, 2004 2:33:22 PM

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Usually not being able to install XPee on a computer is a sure sign of RAM
problems.
April 21, 2004 2:33:23 PM

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"Canus_Lupis" <old_fart@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:4085c169_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Usually not being able to install XPee on a computer is a sure sign of RAM
> problems.

Yes I agree - that's the way I had been leaning, hence my suggestion that he
should run memtest for a while. BSOD's are very often ram related too and
he's had BSOD's.

But *why* he would suddenly start to get ram problems with both sticks is
somewhat strange. Perhaps the PSU is the likely suspect after all? Well we
will see.

Chip
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 21, 2004 6:43:31 PM

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"Chuck" <NotGiven@inPublic.org> wrote in message
news:D 13c809envb4hf20otoivc3r6pk7nh5gjs@4ax.com...
> I'll just jump in here to add, clean out your system, including the
> PSU. Take the PSU out, open it up and make sure all the dust is blown
> out especially the heatsink and fan. Then clean out any dust in the
> cpu heatsink and any other nooks it can accumulate.
>
I ought to say - don't open a PSU and then try to re-install it.
Get some canned air and blow through one of the vents in the side (or even
better, get a SCUBA cylinder out and put a blowgun on it but I guess that's
not an option for non-divers :-) )

Alun Harford
April 21, 2004 10:32:35 PM

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:43:31 +0100, "Alun Harford"
<alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Chuck" <NotGiven@inPublic.org> wrote in message
>news:D 13c809envb4hf20otoivc3r6pk7nh5gjs@4ax.com...
>> I'll just jump in here to add, clean out your system, including the
>> PSU. Take the PSU out, open it up and make sure all the dust is blown
>> out especially the heatsink and fan. Then clean out any dust in the
>> cpu heatsink and any other nooks it can accumulate.
>>
>I ought to say - don't open a PSU and then try to re-install it.
>Get some canned air and blow through one of the vents in the side (or even
>better, get a SCUBA cylinder out and put a blowgun on it but I guess that's
>not an option for non-divers :-) )
>
>Alun Harford
>

Then you probably ought not be opening up your pc case, cuz what's in
there is far more complicated than what's in a PSU.
; )

I've done this many times. It's very straight forward and just blowing
air into it's not going to do squat. You need to get into it with a
soft brush (like I've seen for car dashboard detailing) and some
canned air. You'd be surprised what an effective air filter a PSU
makes.

And for Alun, make sure you unplug it first!

C.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
April 25, 2004 5:40:33 PM

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Just want to put my two bits worth on this. I had the same problem with
NF7-s (rev 2.)when I tried to install XP using Athlon XP2700. The first
time I powered up, the BIOS reported 'user define' mode, instead of
reporting the correct combination of multiplier for 2700.
I selected 21x 100, since that is the only one which allowed me to save
the cmos setting.
The same install problem was reported , and I tried this for 3 times
before giving up. Eventually I had to go back to my Athlon XP2000, to
get it to work stably.
I believe the cpu is faulty in my case.
!