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a b V Motherboard
August 22, 2005 8:29:28 PM

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I think the time has come for me to put together a new system and retire my
old ST6R even though it has been running like a champ. But the 1.1Ghz P3 is
getting a little long in tooth, plus the 512mb RAM limit is letting itself
be known. So:

Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but not a
necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb of RAM. The price
needs to be reasonable, so please don't tell me to get the P4E chips.

So, help me spec this out. Give me opinions. What is the latest? What
should I look and look out for? What are the CPU and MB (chipset) choices?
Etc, etc.

Lets hear it.
--
Jerry P.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 22, 2005 8:29:29 PM

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Jerry Polyak wrote:
>
> I think the time has come for me to put together a new system and retire my
> old ST6R even though it has been running like a champ. But the 1.1Ghz P3 is
> getting a little long in tooth, plus the 512mb RAM limit is letting itself
> be known. So:

:-)
4k 'bits' usta be 'base' for a DG McNova ...
Mamory HOG !!!!!


> Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but not a
> necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb of RAM. The price
> needs to be reasonable, so please don't tell me to get the P4E chips.
>
> So, help me spec this out. Give me opinions. What is the latest? What
> should I look and look out for? What are the CPU and MB (chipset) choices?
> Etc, etc.
>
> Lets hear it.

This =IS= God !!!
Listen carefully ...

Do your homework re : Intel/AMD dual cores ... and the supporting
chip-sets.
A 'few' mite consider it amusing.

Added 'too' ...
how many current, commercial 'app' coders can hack a dual-core "App" ...
???
Nobody writes 'asslr' anymore , "C"( & variants ) aint yet prime-time
for dual core coding ...

Then 'too' ...
AGP seems in decline.
no great new 'shakes' in mamory design ...
the new 'vertical' HD recording holds (future) promise of 3.5" 1TB HDs ,
& ++ .

Me?
I'd wait a while, let the 'dust' settle.

'Sport_About' in your '33' beast ...
but not to the 'extent' that Willie debauched ...
be called "God" ...
enjoy life.
Let the bleeding-edge types do 'beta'.

Can you speak any of the India 'Indian" dialects ... yet.
Its 'hoped' that you( here in the USofA ) have International 'LD' ...
You 'too' can/will be outsourced.

Qed.
August 22, 2005 8:54:04 PM

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Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:

Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of a
second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a ICH7R
and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if you
archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will be
noticable.

And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and that
"if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you don't
raid-0 too! Go for it...
Related resources
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 22, 2005 9:10:07 PM

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<frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>
> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of a
> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a ICH7R
> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if you
> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will be
> noticable.
>
> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and that
> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you don't
> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>

I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to the
controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every time.
But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of editing
these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal. Which drives
are native SATA these days?
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 22, 2005 10:27:04 PM

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"0_Qed" <nano.bot@shaysnet.com> wrote in message
news:430A107D.6F06@shaysnet.com...
> Jerry Polyak wrote:
>>
>> I think the time has come for me to put together a new system and retire
>> my
>> old ST6R even though it has been running like a champ. But the 1.1Ghz P3
>> is
>> getting a little long in tooth, plus the 512mb RAM limit is letting
>> itself
>> be known. So:
>
> :-)
> 4k 'bits' usta be 'base' for a DG McNova ...
> Mamory HOG !!!!!
>
>
>> Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but not a
>> necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb of RAM. The price
>> needs to be reasonable, so please don't tell me to get the P4E chips.
>>
>> So, help me spec this out. Give me opinions. What is the latest? What
>> should I look and look out for? What are the CPU and MB (chipset)
>> choices?
>> Etc, etc.
>>
>> Lets hear it.
>
> This =IS= God !!!
> Listen carefully ...
>
> Do your homework re : Intel/AMD dual cores ... and the supporting
> chip-sets.
> A 'few' mite consider it amusing.
>
> Added 'too' ...
> how many current, commercial 'app' coders can hack a dual-core "App" ...
> ???
> Nobody writes 'asslr' anymore , "C"( & variants ) aint yet prime-time
> for dual core coding ...
>
> Then 'too' ...
> AGP seems in decline.
> no great new 'shakes' in mamory design ...
> the new 'vertical' HD recording holds (future) promise of 3.5" 1TB HDs ,
> & ++ .
>
> Me?
> I'd wait a while, let the 'dust' settle.
>
> 'Sport_About' in your '33' beast ...
> but not to the 'extent' that Willie debauched ...
> be called "God" ...
> enjoy life.
> Let the bleeding-edge types do 'beta'.
>
> Can you speak any of the India 'Indian" dialects ... yet.
> Its 'hoped' that you( here in the USofA ) have International 'LD' ...
> You 'too' can/will be outsourced.
>
> Qed.

HAHAHAHA!!!

Interestingly enough, we've been buying a lot of Dell's lately which come
with bad caps as a feature. So I've been spending a lot, and I mean a LOT,
of time with Dell tech support. Let's just say it's been very amusing, to
say the least.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 22, 2005 10:53:14 PM

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Yes, I was going to say, if you're going RAID 0, make sure you have good
backups and preferably a recent image of your boot/system partition as well.
Seagate has the best warranty right now (5 yrs), but currently only make
SATA 150 drives AFAIK. Hitachi seems to be the leader on SATA II drives,
and IIRC, they come with a 3yr warranty. If I were building a new system
today, I'd buy an Athlon 64 with a slot 939 board.

Regards,

Margaret

"Jerry Polyak" <dawg2golf@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:p FnOe.3596$Z87.357@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
> <frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
> news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
>> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
>> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>>
>> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of a
>> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
>> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a
>> ICH7R
>> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if
>> you
>> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
>> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
>> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will
>> be
>> noticable.
>>
>> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and
>> that
>> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you don't
>> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>>
>
> I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to
> the controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every
> time. But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
> Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
> server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
> HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of
> editing these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal.
> Which drives are native SATA these days?
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 22, 2005 11:06:56 PM

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Er, I meant socket 939....

Regards,

Margaret

"Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:D edl0c02sn6@news3.newsguy.com...
> Yes, I was going to say, if you're going RAID 0, make sure you have good
> backups and preferably a recent image of your boot/system partition as
> well. Seagate has the best warranty right now (5 yrs), but currently only
> make SATA 150 drives AFAIK. Hitachi seems to be the leader on SATA II
> drives, and IIRC, they come with a 3yr warranty. If I were building a new
> system today, I'd buy an Athlon 64 with a slot 939 board.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret
>
> "Jerry Polyak" <dawg2golf@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:p FnOe.3596$Z87.357@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> <frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
>> news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
>>> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>>>
>>> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of
>>> a
>>> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
>>> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a
>>> ICH7R
>>> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if
>>> you
>>> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
>>> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
>>> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will
>>> be
>>> noticable.
>>>
>>> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and
>>> that
>>> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you
>>> don't
>>> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>>>
>>
>> I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to
>> the controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every
>> time. But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
>> Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
>> server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
>> HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of
>> editing these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal.
>> Which drives are native SATA these days?
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 3:30:36 AM

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I am not building the system necessarily "today". This is an information
gathering step. I was hoping to get some opinions/information on CPU's
available and upcoming. I.E. different cores available and the info and ETA
on the upcoming dual core chips.

HD's will most likely be 2x74GB 10k RPM Raptors in RAID-0 for OS and
applications. Another 80GB drive for backing up the array and a 250GB for
data and file storage.

Not sure on the Video Card. Don't think my old one will be compatible. But
nothing to pricey. I just need to edit photos and a movie every now and
than. Don't do that much gaming anymore.

1 or 2 GB of memory should do. Always had good results with Crucial.

Case, PS, optical drives are no brainers. There is still no SATA optical
drives, right?


"Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:D edl0c02sn6@news3.newsguy.com...
> Yes, I was going to say, if you're going RAID 0, make sure you have good
> backups and preferably a recent image of your boot/system partition as
> well. Seagate has the best warranty right now (5 yrs), but currently only
> make SATA 150 drives AFAIK. Hitachi seems to be the leader on SATA II
> drives, and IIRC, they come with a 3yr warranty. If I were building a new
> system today, I'd buy an Athlon 64 with a slot 939 board.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret
>
> "Jerry Polyak" <dawg2golf@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:p FnOe.3596$Z87.357@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> <frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
>> news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
>>> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>>>
>>> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of
>>> a
>>> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
>>> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a
>>> ICH7R
>>> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if
>>> you
>>> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
>>> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
>>> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will
>>> be
>>> noticable.
>>>
>>> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and
>>> that
>>> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you
>>> don't
>>> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>>>
>>
>> I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to
>> the controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every
>> time. But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
>> Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
>> server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
>> HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of
>> editing these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal.
>> Which drives are native SATA these days?
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 5:10:08 AM

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Yes, and Plextor now makes a faster model, too. The 716SA.

Regards,

Margaret


"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry Polyak wrote:
> |
> <snip>
> |
> There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
> |
>
> Hi Jerry -
>
> Sure there are.
>
> See:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 5:37:12 AM

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"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:p HuOe.182$MN5.20@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> Jerry Polyak wrote:
> |
> <snip>
> |
> There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
> |
>
> Hi Jerry -
>
> Sure there are.
>
> See:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>

See, this is the kind of info I am looking for. What else you got?
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 5:42:50 AM

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"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:p HuOe.182$MN5.20@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> Jerry Polyak wrote:
> |
> <snip>
> |
> There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
> |
>
> Hi Jerry -
>
> Sure there are.
>
> See:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>

What is the difference between the Pentium D 820 Smithfield LGA775 non BTX
and BTX version? Anyone?
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 7:32:37 AM

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Jerry Polyak wrote:

> Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but
> not a necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb
> of RAM. The price needs to be reasonable, so please don't
> tell me to get the P4E chips.

How about a Pentium M? Asus makes an adapter to run it on
some of their boards. Anandtech and Tom's both did a review.
And here is a link to one of those "web fora:"

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/printthread.php?t=6...

The 730 is a 1.6 GHz chip. It's $200, but with an easy 800 MHz+
overclock, it will show-up a lot of more expensive space heaters.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 7:40:57 AM

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"Fishface" <invalid@ddress.ok?> wrote in message
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> Jerry Polyak wrote:
>
> > Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but
> > not a necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb
> > of RAM. The price needs to be reasonable, so please don't
> > tell me to get the P4E chips.
>
> How about a Pentium M? Asus makes an adapter to run it on
> some of their boards. Anandtech and Tom's both did a review.
> And here is a link to one of those "web fora:"
>
> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/printthread.php?t=6...
>
> The 730 is a 1.6 GHz chip. It's $200, but with an easy 800 MHz+
> overclock, it will show-up a lot of more expensive space heaters.
>
>

I'd prefer to stay with Abit. Personal preference and good track record.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 5:40:15 PM

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Jerry Polyak wrote:

> I'd prefer to stay with Abit. Personal preference and good
> track record.

I wish my track record had been so good. I'm batting about .500.

PX5 Battery drain problem
BH6 OK
BF6 Bad Caps
NF7-S v.2 OK

At least have a look-see at this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.html

....and at these non-overclocked Photoshop benchies.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=238...

Or just wait a while longer for the dual-core Yonah!
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 6:12:57 PM

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BTX is a new system board format, supposedly to replace the ATX format. It
requires a special case. Last time I checked, Intel was the only one to
make BTX boards, and they only had *one*. There are some reviews on the
hardware sites, but the consensus seems to be that BTX is an Intel orphan.
Apparently BTX has been around for about a year, with no other motherboard
manufacturers (to my knowledge) picking up on it. It was a few months ago
when I did my research, so some of this may have changed. Please post back
if you find that there's development re BTX.

Thanks and Regards,

Margaret

"Jerry Polyak" <jerrypolyak@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:p HuOe.182$MN5.20@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>> Jerry Polyak wrote:
>> |
>> <snip>
>> |
>> There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
>> |
>>
>> Hi Jerry -
>>
>> Sure there are.
>>
>> See:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
>>
>> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
>> Jef
>>
>>
>
> What is the difference between the Pentium D 820 Smithfield LGA775 non
> BTX
> and BTX version? Anyone?
>
>
August 23, 2005 7:39:27 PM

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re: Raptors.

Yeah, they're nice. Nice and loud, nice and hot, nice and expensive, nice
and fast.

But w/ Hitachi SATA II 3GBPs drives costing $50 it's a no-brainer.
Twice the capacity for 1/3 the price, w/ almost as good performance.
With RAID 0 and a large stripe size, I doubt you'd even see a real-world
performance difference. Especially taking advantage of ICH7R's new
features, which the Hitachi SATA II can actually use.

BTW, Hitachi is the old IBM Disk Drive company, they were bought and
changed name a few years ago, and they make VERY reliable drives. Quiet
too. So don't think they're a new, little guy w/ manufacturing issues to
be resolved, they're rock solid.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 7:41:58 PM

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"Fishface" <invalid@ddress.ok?> wrote in message
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> Jerry Polyak wrote:
>
>> I'd prefer to stay with Abit. Personal preference and good
>> track record.
>
> I wish my track record had been so good. I'm batting about .500.
>
> PX5 Battery drain problem
> BH6 OK
> BF6 Bad Caps
> NF7-S v.2 OK
>
> At least have a look-see at this article:
> http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.html
>
> ...and at these non-overclocked Photoshop benchies.
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=238...
>
> Or just wait a while longer for the dual-core Yonah!
>
>

Thanks for the links. Yeah, I pretty much have a dual core in mind. That
is why I was looking at the Pentium D 8xx chips.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 7:41:59 PM

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Jerry Polyak wrote:
> Thanks for the links. Yeah, I pretty much have a dual core in mind. That
> is why I was looking at the Pentium D 8xx chips.

<VBG>
Havent yet done 'our' hmwk, 'eh ???

Qed.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 10:47:16 PM

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Margaret Wilson wrote:
|
| BTX is a new system board format, supposedly to replace the ATX
| format. It requires a special case. Last time I checked, Intel was the
| only one to make BTX boards, and they only had *one*. There are
| some reviews on the hardware sites, but the consensus seems to be
| that BTX is an Intel orphan. Apparently BTX has been around for about
| a year, with no other motherboard manufacturers (to my knowledge)
| picking up on it. It was a few months ago when I did my research, so
| some of this may have changed. Please post back if you find that there's
| development re BTX.
|
| Thanks and Regards,
|
| Margaret
|

Hi Margaret -

I stumbled across the following a while back. All the boards listed seem to
be reference designs and I haven't researched if any have made it to market
(a quick look at Gigabyte's offering seems to indicate that their board, at
least, has not come to market).

The article was from Computex 2004 in Taipei.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1593

Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
Jef
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 10:47:17 PM

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Thanks for this info, Jeff. Good to know. :-)

Regards,

Margaret

"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Margaret Wilson wrote:
> |
> | BTX is a new system board format, supposedly to replace the ATX
> | format. It requires a special case. Last time I checked, Intel was the
> | only one to make BTX boards, and they only had *one*. There are
> | some reviews on the hardware sites, but the consensus seems to be
> | that BTX is an Intel orphan. Apparently BTX has been around for about
> | a year, with no other motherboard manufacturers (to my knowledge)
> | picking up on it. It was a few months ago when I did my research, so
> | some of this may have changed. Please post back if you find that
> there's
> | development re BTX.
> |
> | Thanks and Regards,
> |
> | Margaret
> |
>
> Hi Margaret -
>
> I stumbled across the following a while back. All the boards listed seem
> to
> be reference designs and I haven't researched if any have made it to
> market
> (a quick look at Gigabyte's offering seems to indicate that their board,
> at
> least, has not come to market).
>
> The article was from Computex 2004 in Taipei.
>
> http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1593
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 10:52:16 PM

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Margaret Wilson wrote:
|
| Yes, and Plextor now makes a faster model, too. The 716SA.
|
| Regards,
|
| Margaret
|

Hi Margaret -

The link I posted was the first such drive I stumbled across at Newegg.

By no means did I intend to post the latest and greatest. ;-)

Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
Jef
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 23, 2005 10:52:17 PM

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To be fair, IIRC, PC Magazine thinks the 712SA is the better value. :-) To
my knowledge, these are the only two SATA opticals available right now.

Regards,

Margaret

"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Margaret Wilson wrote:
> |
> | Yes, and Plextor now makes a faster model, too. The 716SA.
> |
> | Regards,
> |
> | Margaret
> |
>
> Hi Margaret -
>
> The link I posted was the first such drive I stumbled across at Newegg.
>
> By no means did I intend to post the latest and greatest. ;-)
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 24, 2005 3:00:18 AM

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Margaret Wilson wrote:
|
| To be fair, IIRC, PC Magazine thinks the 712SA is the better value.
| :-) To my knowledge, these are the only two SATA opticals available
| right now.
|
| Regards,
|
| Margaret
|

Hi Margaret -

True. I've not seen any others available.

Funny thing .. the black bezel model I linked yesterday has disappeared from
Newegg's offerings (not just out of stock). They currently only list both
beige bezel models.

Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
Jef
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 24, 2005 3:00:19 AM

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The 712SA comes in either black or beige, and Newegg has both right now.
Maybe the black was out of stock and is just now in. The 716SA, on the
other hand, comes as a beige drive ... but a black bezel is included in the
package. (You can see it if you look at the pics.) I really wish more
manufacturers would include both bezels. That way if you have to change
your case, or move the drive to a different machine, you can still match up
your drive....

BTW, I've read about some compatibility issues with SATA opticals, and I
wanted to save my SATA ports for hard drive upgrades, so I decided to stick
with PATA when I recently upgraded from my Plextor-504A (4x). I ended up
going with the NEC ND-3540A, which last time I looked, only came in black.
:-( At ~$40 each, I got two, one for each machine. I was bummed that I
couldn't get a beige drive in this model, as I have one case that's beige.
But the black drive doesn't look half bad in my beige case. When I upgrade
to a case with side vent, it'll be black anyway. This drive is fast and has
made no coasters so far. Only has a 2MB buffer, but at ~$40, I'm not
complaining. :-)

Regards,

Margaret

"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Margaret Wilson wrote:
> |
> | To be fair, IIRC, PC Magazine thinks the 712SA is the better value.
> | :-) To my knowledge, these are the only two SATA opticals available
> | right now.
> |
> | Regards,
> |
> | Margaret
> |
>
> Hi Margaret -
>
> True. I've not seen any others available.
>
> Funny thing .. the black bezel model I linked yesterday has disappeared
> from
> Newegg's offerings (not just out of stock). They currently only list both
> beige bezel models.
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 29, 2005 2:29:48 AM

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In article <I3nOe.3591$Z87.1602@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
dawg2golf@nospam.yahoo.com says...
>
> Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but not a
> necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb of RAM. The price
> needs to be reasonable, so please don't tell me to get the P4E chips.
>

Why Intel? I hear they now are putting DRM into their chipsets (albeit I
am not entirely sure which ones have it as yet): "Your computer is
belong to us!"

I for one won't want to give anybody that much control over what I do
with MY fsking machine.

I've just been through the SATA hdd thing with my fellow chaps on
nz.comp - and in the end decided to stay with IDE as a boot drive for
the time being. I HAVE Sata on the mobo, and have used it, but as I
said, I decided to go with IDE for root:/

The new Seagate fluid bearing drives are unbelievably quiet b.t.w.,
especially when mounted on rubber grommets.

my $.02
-Peter

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