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Anonymous
May 6, 2004 8:30:08 PM

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Hello

Sorry if this off-topic

Can a digital camera be considered computer equipment?

Having accidentally and a irreparably damaged my digital camera, a
Epsom PhotoPC 850Z (bought Sept 2001 second hand for £300 via ebay),
I contacted my insurers, SAGA home insurance.

Their booklet/guide to claims, on page 14, says:

"We cover the following: TV, video, audio and computer equipment.
Accidental damage to television, radio, audio, video, satellite and
personal computer equipment in your home."

They do not accept my assertion that my former digital camera is/was
'computer equipment' :-(

I pointed out to them that in order to see any of the pictures I have
taken with the camera I have to download the pictures directly from
the digital camera via a USB cable and into computer memory.

If a digital camera is not seen as computer equipment then I foresee
similar problems with other hardware, eg if I should make a claim for
my scanner, or my printer, or other accessories such as the new USB
flash drives. I have been unable to find a definition for digital
camera.

Can anyone throw any light on this? Or perhaps signpost someone who
can.

It's worth noting that the SAGA manager I spoke with did not have a
digital camera :-(

Many thanks for your help
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Anonymous
May 6, 2004 8:30:09 PM

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You can hire a lawyer to sue. Since the insurance company
has to right to define the terms of their policy and you
agreed to those terms when you read and purchased the
policy, your chance of winning in court are very slight. If
you had a good case, you could hire a lawyer on a
contingency fee. But you need $10,000 or so for your law
suit.

Your problem is that the computer industry defined cameras
as nice to have and they certainly increase the utility of
the camera to own a computer, but the camera works just fine
without a computer and your computer works just fine without
a camera.

The closest you come is that a scanner is just a very
limited form of a camera, but you say they included scanners
but not cameras. A scanner needs a computer (or an
all-in-one setup).

You should have bought a rider to your policy that covers
such small items.

No legal advice is given, just a layman's opinion.


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"PFC" <PFC@Home.gioserve.com> wrote in message
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| Hello
|
| Sorry if this off-topic
|
| Can a digital camera be considered computer equipment?
|
| Having accidentally and a irreparably damaged my digital
camera, a
| Epsom PhotoPC 850Z (bought Sept 2001 second hand for £300
via ebay),
| I contacted my insurers, SAGA home insurance.
|
| Their booklet/guide to claims, on page 14, says:
|
| "We cover the following: TV, video, audio and computer
equipment.
| Accidental damage to television, radio, audio, video,
satellite and
| personal computer equipment in your home."
|
| They do not accept my assertion that my former digital
camera is/was
| 'computer equipment' :-(
|
| I pointed out to them that in order to see any of the
pictures I have
| taken with the camera I have to download the pictures
directly from
| the digital camera via a USB cable and into computer
memory.
|
| If a digital camera is not seen as computer equipment then
I foresee
| similar problems with other hardware, eg if I should make
a claim for
| my scanner, or my printer, or other accessories such as
the new USB
| flash drives. I have been unable to find a definition for
digital
| camera.
|
| Can anyone throw any light on this? Or perhaps signpost
someone who
| can.
|
| It's worth noting that the SAGA manager I spoke with did
not have a
| digital camera :-(
|
| Many thanks for your help
| =====================================
| This email has been checked by
| NORTON Anti Virus BEFORE sent to you.
| =====================================
Anonymous
May 6, 2004 9:02:07 PM

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"PFC" <PFC@Home.gioserve.com> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> Sorry if this off-topic
>
> Can a digital camera be considered computer equipment?
>
> Having accidentally and a irreparably damaged my digital camera, a
> Epsom PhotoPC 850Z (bought Sept 2001 second hand for £300 via ebay),
> I contacted my insurers, SAGA home insurance.
>
> Their booklet/guide to claims, on page 14, says:
>
> "We cover the following: TV, video, audio and computer equipment.
> Accidental damage to television, radio, audio, video, satellite and
> personal computer equipment in your home."
>
> They do not accept my assertion that my former digital camera is/was
> 'computer equipment' :-(
>
> I pointed out to them that in order to see any of the pictures I have
> taken with the camera I have to download the pictures directly from
> the digital camera via a USB cable and into computer memory.
>
> If a digital camera is not seen as computer equipment then I foresee
> similar problems with other hardware, eg if I should make a claim for
> my scanner, or my printer, or other accessories such as the new USB
> flash drives. I have been unable to find a definition for digital
> camera.
>
> Can anyone throw any light on this? Or perhaps signpost someone who
> can.
>
> It's worth noting that the SAGA manager I spoke with did not have a
> digital camera :-(
>
> Many thanks for your help
> =====================================
> This email has been checked by
> NORTON Anti Virus BEFORE sent to you.
> =====================================

I am not a lawyer. (I don't even play one on T.V.)

I do have a digital camera.

My take would be no.

A digital camera can perform it's intended function independently. The other
items you mentioned (printer, scanner, flash drive) generally speaking
cannot.

Standalone "hook-it-up to a t.v." viewers are available to view the images
on a memory card. Standalone photo printers that do not require a computer
are as well. You can take a memory card with digital images on it to most
photo processing facilities and get prints of your images. A computer is not
a "required" part of the equation.

Not the answer you were looking for I'm sure. :-(

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Anonymous
May 15, 2004 7:43:19 PM

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:30:08 +0100, PFC <PFC@Home.gioserve.com> wrote:

>Hello
>
>Sorry if this off-topic
>
>Can a digital camera be considered computer equipment?
>
>Having accidentally and a irreparably damaged my digital camera, a
>Epsom PhotoPC 850Z (bought Sept 2001 second hand for £300 via ebay),
>I contacted my insurers, SAGA home insurance.
>
A digital camera does NOT require a computer to operate. Unlike a
printer or scanner, they require a computer to be able to operate it.
A camera is designed to be used -away- from a computer, and only
connected to one to download pictures. So your insurer is correct, I'm
afraid.

Peter Hutchison
Windows FAQ
http://www.pcguru.plus.com/
May 16, 2004 3:45:20 AM

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I'd bet that this can be argued either way, since a computer is required (at
least with some digital cameras) to complete the function of the camera,
Namely retriving the pictures and processing them, and finally printing
them.
"Peter Hutchison" <pjhutch@NOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:30:08 +0100, PFC <PFC@Home.gioserve.com> wrote:
>
> >Hello
> >
> >Sorry if this off-topic
> >
> >Can a digital camera be considered computer equipment?
> >
> >Having accidentally and a irreparably damaged my digital camera, a
> >Epsom PhotoPC 850Z (bought Sept 2001 second hand for £300 via ebay),
> >I contacted my insurers, SAGA home insurance.
> >
> A digital camera does NOT require a computer to operate. Unlike a
> printer or scanner, they require a computer to be able to operate it.
> A camera is designed to be used -away- from a computer, and only
> connected to one to download pictures. So your insurer is correct, I'm
> afraid.
>
> Peter Hutchison
> Windows FAQ
> http://www.pcguru.plus.com/
Anonymous
May 16, 2004 1:51:10 PM

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To the OP: It is an argument that will always be won by the
insurance company, They wrote the policy, set the terms and
sold it. You read the policy, asked questions or had the
opportunity to do so, and you agreed to the terms and
continue to pay the premiums.

It will certainly cost you more than the cost of a camera to
hire a lawyer to argue the case in a court. I doubt if any
lawyer will take the case on a pro bono or even contingency
basis because you have no case.

You could file the case in a small claims court in the USA,
don't know if such exist in the UK. Perhaps there is a
legal aid group that can advise.


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"Chuck" <cdkuder@msn.com> wrote in message
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| I'd bet that this can be argued either way, since a
computer is required (at
| least with some digital cameras) to complete the function
of the camera,
| Namely retriving the pictures and processing them, and
finally printing
| them.
| "Peter Hutchison" <pjhutch@NOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in
message
| news:52aca0deej1i627sicb0vokgffhrctaqag@4ax.com...
| > On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:30:08 +0100, PFC
<PFC@Home.gioserve.com> wrote:
| >
| > >Hello
| > >
| > >Sorry if this off-topic
| > >
| > >Can a digital camera be considered computer equipment?
| > >
| > >Having accidentally and a irreparably damaged my
digital camera, a
| > >Epsom PhotoPC 850Z (bought Sept 2001 second hand for
£300 via ebay),
| > >I contacted my insurers, SAGA home insurance.
| > >
| > A digital camera does NOT require a computer to operate.
Unlike a
| > printer or scanner, they require a computer to be able
to operate it.
| > A camera is designed to be used -away- from a computer,
and only
| > connected to one to download pictures. So your insurer
is correct, I'm
| > afraid.
| >
| > Peter Hutchison
| > Windows FAQ
| > http://www.pcguru.plus.com/
|
|
!