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Hi

Im going to get a AMD 64 2800+ or 3000+ cpu and an asus K8V Deluxe
Mobo. Can you have a look at my current system and tell me if i need
to replace anything else. Im sure jus a new mobo and cpu should do it.

Asus A7N8x-E Deluxe
Athlon XP 3200+ 400 FSB
3x 256MB Kingston PC3200 RAM ( 768MB Total )
Maxtor 80GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
IBM 60GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB AGP card
Audigy 2 ZS
Aver Freeview PCI Card
Floppy drive
Lite On 8x Dual Format DVD Writer
Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
Creative 6.1 speakers
USB Media Reader.

Fairly certain everything else is ok to go in new system. I will use
the ide hard drives for now, but might get a single 160gb SATA drive
in the future and buy a couple of external housing for the ide hard
drives.

Then i will try to recoup some of what i spend by offering the a7n8x-e
and barton 3200+ cpu on ebay for a hundred and twenty quid or so.

Cheers for any advice.

paul

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In article <hhmpb0tref579k0l4djpdbranhuumidscf@4ax.com>, me!!
<pwrberry@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Im going to get a AMD 64 2800+ or 3000+ cpu and an asus K8V Deluxe
> Mobo. Can you have a look at my current system and tell me if i need
> to replace anything else. Im sure jus a new mobo and cpu should do it.
>
> Asus A7N8x-E Deluxe
> Athlon XP 3200+ 400 FSB
> 3x 256MB Kingston PC3200 RAM ( 768MB Total )
> Maxtor 80GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
> IBM 60GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
> Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB AGP card
> Audigy 2 ZS
> Aver Freeview PCI Card
> Floppy drive
> Lite On 8x Dual Format DVD Writer
> Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
> Creative 6.1 speakers
> USB Media Reader.
>
> Fairly certain everything else is ok to go in new system. I will use
> the ide hard drives for now, but might get a single 160gb SATA drive
> in the future and buy a couple of external housing for the ide hard
> drives.
>
> Then i will try to recoup some of what i spend by offering the a7n8x-e
> and barton 3200+ cpu on ebay for a hundred and twenty quid or so.
>
> Cheers for any advice.
>
> paul

Page 38 of the manual, shows how the kind of DIMMs you use,
restrict the memory bus operating speed. Since the processor
now drives the memory directly, this is a function of the
way the processor is designed, and not the motherboard:

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb [...] deluxe.pdf

The datasheet for the Athlon64, shows it can run the memory bus
async to the FSB. Page 14 of this doc shows the speed options:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/co [...] /24659.PDF

I don't expect problems. Try your current memory, and it may
just decide to go at DDR400 anyway (it will be a luck of the
draw thing). If it isn't memtest86 stable (memtest.org), then
buy a 512MB PC3200 stick to replace the two 256MB sticks, and
maybe that will be enough to make a difference. For best
performance on most processors, you want the FSB and memory
clocks to be synchronous, or having the same speed. The
reason for this, is synchronous operation allows the
removal of resynchronization latches and the attendant
increase in latency they cause.

The manual I quote above, is probably not the board you are
buying, as there are newer models of the K8V line that will
currently be available at retail. Go to the Asus download page
to locate the one you want.

The other thing to notice in this motherboard transition, is the
K8V has a ATX 12V 2x2 power plug, just like a P4 board. This
means the processor no longer draws its current from +5V, like
on the A7N8X, but now the load is moved to the +12V output of
your power supply. You may want to investigate whether your PS
is a good match for the new board, in terms of output on the
+12V rail. And also, whether your PS has the necessary 2x2
square plug.

HTH,
Paul

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So why upgrade to a 64 bit o/s, unless you use linux, when there is only a
beta win o/s that can utilise the hardware, and there is v.little software
that can take advantage of 64 bit.
By the time any software is available, late 2005 if that can be believed,
I'm sure you will have needed to upgrade at least a dozen times!
I note that yr hd's are quite small so I take it yr not doing anything
significant.
Quite frankly yr waisting yr money, you would probably get more bang out of
yr existing setup by using twin sata stripped drives and matched memory, and
assuming yr gaming changing the video card. - but then I'm only bitter and
twisted.

"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-0106041619590001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <hhmpb0tref579k0l4djpdbranhuumidscf@4ax.com>, me!!
> <pwrberry@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Im going to get a AMD 64 2800+ or 3000+ cpu and an asus K8V Deluxe
> > Mobo. Can you have a look at my current system and tell me if i need
> > to replace anything else. Im sure jus a new mobo and cpu should do it.
> >
> > Asus A7N8x-E Deluxe
> > Athlon XP 3200+ 400 FSB
> > 3x 256MB Kingston PC3200 RAM ( 768MB Total )
> > Maxtor 80GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
> > IBM 60GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
> > Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB AGP card
> > Audigy 2 ZS
> > Aver Freeview PCI Card
> > Floppy drive
> > Lite On 8x Dual Format DVD Writer
> > Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
> > Creative 6.1 speakers
> > USB Media Reader.
> >
> > Fairly certain everything else is ok to go in new system. I will use
> > the ide hard drives for now, but might get a single 160gb SATA drive
> > in the future and buy a couple of external housing for the ide hard
> > drives.
> >
> > Then i will try to recoup some of what i spend by offering the a7n8x-e
> > and barton 3200+ cpu on ebay for a hundred and twenty quid or so.
> >
> > Cheers for any advice.
> >
> > paul
>
> Page 38 of the manual, shows how the kind of DIMMs you use,
> restrict the memory bus operating speed. Since the processor
> now drives the memory directly, this is a function of the
> way the processor is designed, and not the motherboard:
>
> ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb [...] deluxe.pdf
>
> The datasheet for the Athlon64, shows it can run the memory bus
> async to the FSB. Page 14 of this doc shows the speed options:
>
>
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/co [...] /24659.PDF
>
> I don't expect problems. Try your current memory, and it may
> just decide to go at DDR400 anyway (it will be a luck of the
> draw thing). If it isn't memtest86 stable (memtest.org), then
> buy a 512MB PC3200 stick to replace the two 256MB sticks, and
> maybe that will be enough to make a difference. For best
> performance on most processors, you want the FSB and memory
> clocks to be synchronous, or having the same speed. The
> reason for this, is synchronous operation allows the
> removal of resynchronization latches and the attendant
> increase in latency they cause.
>
> The manual I quote above, is probably not the board you are
> buying, as there are newer models of the K8V line that will
> currently be available at retail. Go to the Asus download page
> to locate the one you want.
>
> The other thing to notice in this motherboard transition, is the
> K8V has a ATX 12V 2x2 power plug, just like a P4 board. This
> means the processor no longer draws its current from +5V, like
> on the A7N8X, but now the load is moved to the +12V output of
> your power supply. You may want to investigate whether your PS
> is a good match for the new board, in terms of output on the
> +12V rail. And also, whether your PS has the necessary 2x2
> square plug.
>
> HTH,
> Paul

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:26:21 +0100, "D" <anon@spoof.com> wrote:

>So why upgrade to a 64 bit o/s, unless you use linux, when there is only a
>beta win o/s that can utilise the hardware, and there is v.little software
>that can take advantage of 64 bit.

People seem to miss the point that the amd64 cpu's run 32bit faster
than Athlon XP's and do it with less heat. The key factor is the
800Mhz FSB matching Intel's old advantage.

The ability to run 64bit is just a bonus.

Of course, Amd64's will still be running software long after 32 bit
cpu's get tossed.

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Will it run WindowsXP ? I guess yes, but am not sure.


"john" <john@nospam.com> a écrit dans le message de
news58qb05uiq5313drjnfk5sf10fvjukj6pp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:26:21 +0100, "D" <anon@spoof.com> wrote:
>
> >So why upgrade to a 64 bit o/s, unless you use linux, when there is only
a
> >beta win o/s that can utilise the hardware, and there is v.little
software
> >that can take advantage of 64 bit.
>
> People seem to miss the point that the amd64 cpu's run 32bit faster
> than Athlon XP's and do it with less heat. The key factor is the
> 800Mhz FSB matching Intel's old advantage.
>
> The ability to run 64bit is just a bonus.
>
> Of course, Amd64's will still be running software long after 32 bit
> cpu's get tossed.
>
>

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Yep, runs XP without an issue. Currently running XP Pro service pack 1.

Your setup looks pretty decent tho like Paul said you dont want to run 3 DIMM's
for your RAM. you can only run a max of 2 DIMMs if you intend to run it at
400mhz.

I'd recomend picking up one 512 meg for now then pick up another later when you
can afford it.

Having this board I can tell you the thing is a bit picky about its ram so make
sure you test it out with memtest87+. Its a memory testing program that loads
from a floppy at boot.

Cheers
Arie

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"D" <anon@spoof.com> wrote in message
news:J89vc.245$o63.48@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net...
> So why upgrade to a 64 bit o/s, unless you use linux, when there is only a
> beta win o/s that can utilise the hardware, and there is v.little software
> that can take advantage of 64 bit.
> By the time any software is available, late 2005 if that can be believed,
> I'm sure you will have needed to upgrade at least a dozen times!
> I note that yr hd's are quite small so I take it yr not doing anything
> significant.
> Quite frankly yr waisting yr money, you would probably get more bang out
of
> yr existing setup by using twin sata stripped drives and matched memory,
and
> assuming yr gaming changing the video card. - but then I'm only bitter and
> twisted.
>
> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
> news:nospam-0106041619590001@192.168.1.177...
> > In article <hhmpb0tref579k0l4djpdbranhuumidscf@4ax.com>, me!!
> > <pwrberry@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Im going to get a AMD 64 2800+ or 3000+ cpu and an asus K8V Deluxe
> > > Mobo. Can you have a look at my current system and tell me if i need
> > > to replace anything else. Im sure jus a new mobo and cpu should do it.
> > >
> > > Asus A7N8x-E Deluxe
> > > Athlon XP 3200+ 400 FSB
> > > 3x 256MB Kingston PC3200 RAM ( 768MB Total )
> > > Maxtor 80GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
> > > IBM 60GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD
> > > Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB AGP card
> > > Audigy 2 ZS
> > > Aver Freeview PCI Card
> > > Floppy drive
> > > Lite On 8x Dual Format DVD Writer
> > > Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
> > > Creative 6.1 speakers
> > > USB Media Reader.
> > >
> > > Fairly certain everything else is ok to go in new system. I will use
> > > the ide hard drives for now, but might get a single 160gb SATA drive
> > > in the future and buy a couple of external housing for the ide hard
> > > drives.
> > >
> > > Then i will try to recoup some of what i spend by offering the a7n8x-e
> > > and barton 3200+ cpu on ebay for a hundred and twenty quid or so.
> > >
> > > Cheers for any advice.
> > >
> > > paul
> >
> > Page 38 of the manual, shows how the kind of DIMMs you use,
> > restrict the memory bus operating speed. Since the processor
> > now drives the memory directly, this is a function of the
> > way the processor is designed, and not the motherboard:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb [...] deluxe.pdf
> >
> > The datasheet for the Athlon64, shows it can run the memory bus
> > async to the FSB. Page 14 of this doc shows the speed options:
> >
> >
>
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/co [...] /24659.PDF
> >
> > I don't expect problems. Try your current memory, and it may
> > just decide to go at DDR400 anyway (it will be a luck of the
> > draw thing). If it isn't memtest86 stable (memtest.org), then
> > buy a 512MB PC3200 stick to replace the two 256MB sticks, and
> > maybe that will be enough to make a difference. For best
> > performance on most processors, you want the FSB and memory
> > clocks to be synchronous, or having the same speed. The
> > reason for this, is synchronous operation allows the
> > removal of resynchronization latches and the attendant
> > increase in latency they cause.
> >
> > The manual I quote above, is probably not the board you are
> > buying, as there are newer models of the K8V line that will
> > currently be available at retail. Go to the Asus download page
> > to locate the one you want.
> >
> > The other thing to notice in this motherboard transition, is the
> > K8V has a ATX 12V 2x2 power plug, just like a P4 board. This
> > means the processor no longer draws its current from +5V, like
> > on the A7N8X, but now the load is moved to the +12V output of
> > your power supply. You may want to investigate whether your PS
> > is a good match for the new board, in terms of output on the
> > +12V rail. And also, whether your PS has the necessary 2x2
> > square plug.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Paul
>
>

You might want to consider that the 939 boards should be
out soon, possibly later this month.

If nothing else, the price of the current boards & CPU should
fall.

Luck;
Ken

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Ken Maltby wrote:
> You might want to consider that the 939 boards should be
> out soon, possibly later this month.
>
> If nothing else, the price of the current boards & CPU should
> fall.
Doesn't look so unfortunately, the prices of the new socket 939 cpus amd
offers are sky-high (slowest one 500 USD!!!), higher than anything AMD
offers currently on socket 754, obviously AMD doesn't want/can't ship
high volumes right now.
OTOH, some intel prescotts 3.6/3.8/4.0 would surely have a healthy
effect on those AMD prices ;-). Not sure exactly when (if?) intel
manages to do that though, iirc the 3.6 should be out fairly soon when
socket-T/LGA775 is launched (and the 3.6 might not be enough to drive
amd prices down if it's itself priced above current P4 instead of
driving their prices down).

Roland

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"Roland Scheidegger" <rscheidegger@gmx.ch> wrote in message
news:40BDF5F0.7020508@gmx.ch...
> Ken Maltby wrote:
> > You might want to consider that the 939 boards should be
> > out soon, possibly later this month.
> >
> > If nothing else, the price of the current boards & CPU should
> > fall.
> Doesn't look so unfortunately, the prices of the new socket 939 cpus amd
> offers are sky-high (slowest one 500 USD!!!), higher than anything AMD
> offers currently on socket 754, obviously AMD doesn't want/can't ship
> high volumes right now.
> OTOH, some intel prescotts 3.6/3.8/4.0 would surely have a healthy
> effect on those AMD prices ;-). Not sure exactly when (if?) intel
> manages to do that though, iirc the 3.6 should be out fairly soon when
> socket-T/LGA775 is launched (and the 3.6 might not be enough to drive
> amd prices down if it's itself priced above current P4 instead of
> driving their prices down).
>
> Roland

So far, accurately predicting future price or performance in this
area is about as likely as predicting the winning Lotto numbers.
It is also true that "there's always something better on the horizon".

I just think that this may be one of those times when a real
change is likely to show within a month or so. Those who bought
the first flavor of P4, might agree that it could be worth the wait.
{It might be : "Those who fail to profit from history are doomed
to repeat it." or it might not.}

Luck;
Ken

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Ken Maltby wrote:
> "Roland Scheidegger" <rscheidegger@gmx.ch> wrote in message
> news:40BDF5F0.7020508@gmx.ch...
>
>>Ken Maltby wrote:
>>
>>> You might want to consider that the 939 boards should be
>>>out soon, possibly later this month.
>>>
>>> If nothing else, the price of the current boards & CPU should
>>>fall.
>>
>>Doesn't look so unfortunately, the prices of the new socket 939 cpus amd
>>offers are sky-high (slowest one 500 USD!!!), higher than anything AMD
>>offers currently on socket 754, obviously AMD doesn't want/can't ship
>>high volumes right now.
>>OTOH, some intel prescotts 3.6/3.8/4.0 would surely have a healthy
>>effect on those AMD prices ;-). Not sure exactly when (if?) intel
>>manages to do that though, iirc the 3.6 should be out fairly soon when
>>socket-T/LGA775 is launched (and the 3.6 might not be enough to drive
>>amd prices down if it's itself priced above current P4 instead of
>>driving their prices down).
>>
>>Roland
>
>
> So far, accurately predicting future price or performance in this
> area is about as likely as predicting the winning Lotto numbers.
Actually, that's not quite true. cpu pricing is in fact, quite
predictable (though more so for intel cpus than for amd). intel's
pricing scheme looks exactly the same since 2 years or so now. Whenever
they introduce a new cpu, the price is the same as the former
highest-grade cpu (so when introducing the 3.4, it cost the same as the
3.2 did before). All existing cpus shift down their price point one
notch at the same time (i.e. the 3.2 now costs as much as the 3.0 did).
The pattern changed slightly, because of the EE editions (so the top
spot is way more expensive than before, but the non-EE topspot is
cheaper than before).
AMD pretty much follows intels pricing pattern since some time now
(there official prices are _exactly_ the same as intels for all A64 cpus
with the equivalent rating).
But, what happened this time with the new athlon 64 cpus, is that amd
prices them way above all existing cpus, instead of making the other
cheaper. This indicates they are waiting for intel to introduce
higher-speed cpus (with the equivalent rating) and waiting for intel to
cut prices.
So, the only question remaining is, WHEN will the prices be cut (the new
prices themselves are already known). Most recent information I've seen
indicated june 21 as the launch date for a 3.6Ghz Prescott (lga-775).
So, if you're lucky, the prices will get some adjustment then, but the
roadmap indicate intel will follow amd's pattern and introduce that chip
above the others. Next intel pricecut is supposed to be on August 22,
expect AMD to cut prices at the same time (though AMD retail prices do
not follow official prices that strictly as intel prices, especially
when there is an official price cut soon, amd prices always begin to
drop some time (weeks/month) before that slowly, intel prices in
contrast really get cut the day the price cut is announced) which is
quite a long time to wait...
You can get that information for instance here:
http://freespace.virgin.net/m.warn [...] sIntel.htm
(of course, it does not necessarily need to be true. You can find lots
of other websites all telling you the same, which does not increase
reliability since they are all using the same sources. Still, the
information you can find that way is typically fairly accurate.)

> It is also true that "there's always something better on the horizon".
No objections...

> I just think that this may be one of those times when a real
> change is likely to show within a month or so.
I just wouldn't bet "within a month". IMHO more likely is "within 3 month".

Roland

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Roland Scheidegger wrote:
<Big snip>
> I just wouldn't bet "within a month". IMHO more likely is "within 3
> month".
>
> Roland


You've obviously been studying :-)

I tend to agree with you... since 939 is new technology, that doesn't really
replace any existing technology (754 will be phased out over a year or so,
but 939 is not really replacing it) expect to pay a premium for it (and any
other Dual Channel 64bit processor). It doesn't necessarily mean price cuts
until faster models come out WITH competition. I haven't been following
prices at all really, so I'm just guessing.

Ben
--
A7N8X FAQ: www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html
Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups.
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"Roland Scheidegger" <rscheidegger@gmx.ch> wrote in message
news:2i6nhlFjhr7aU1@uni-berlin.de...

> Actually, that's not quite true. cpu pricing is in fact, quite
> predictable (though more so for intel cpus than for amd). intel's
> pricing scheme looks exactly the same since 2 years or so now. Whenever
> they introduce a new cpu, the price is the same as the former
> highest-grade cpu (so when introducing the 3.4, it cost the same as the
> 3.2 did before). All existing cpus shift down their price point one
> notch at the same time (i.e. the 3.2 now costs as much as the 3.0 did).
> The pattern changed slightly, because of the EE editions (so the top
> spot is way more expensive than before, but the non-EE topspot is
> cheaper than before).
> AMD pretty much follows intels pricing pattern since some time now
> (there official prices are _exactly_ the same as intels for all A64 cpus
> with the equivalent rating).
> But, what happened this time with the new athlon 64 cpus, is that amd
> prices them way above all existing cpus, instead of making the other
> cheaper. This indicates they are waiting for intel to introduce
> higher-speed cpus (with the equivalent rating) and waiting for intel to
> cut prices.
> So, the only question remaining is, WHEN will the prices be cut (the new
> prices themselves are already known). Most recent information I've seen
> indicated june 21 as the launch date for a 3.6Ghz Prescott (lga-775).
> So, if you're lucky, the prices will get some adjustment then, but the
> roadmap indicate intel will follow amd's pattern and introduce that chip
> above the others. Next intel pricecut is supposed to be on August 22,
> expect AMD to cut prices at the same time (though AMD retail prices do
> not follow official prices that strictly as intel prices, especially
> when there is an official price cut soon, amd prices always begin to
> drop some time (weeks/month) before that slowly, intel prices in
> contrast really get cut the day the price cut is announced) which is
> quite a long time to wait...
> You can get that information for instance here:
> http://freespace.virgin.net/m.warn [...] sIntel.htm
> (of course, it does not necessarily need to be true. You can find lots
> of other websites all telling you the same, which does not increase
> reliability since they are all using the same sources. Still, the
> information you can find that way is typically fairly accurate.)
>
> Roland

I bow to your obviously greater understanding of the factors
involved. Say, you don't pick stocks; do you?

Luck;
Ken