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"dmo" <nobody@abcd9876.com> wrote in message
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> "Tim" <Tim@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> > Hi,
> >
> > I really think it is a combination of small case, fast P4 chip, Hot P4
> > Prescott chip, lots of heat dissipation, inadequate ventilation /
cooling.
> > IE the case just isn't designed for a higher dissipation chip such as
the
> > Prescott.
> >
> > If you could swap the CPU out for a P4 2.8C (Northwood) then things may
be
> a
> > lot better. The pundit was released well before the Prescott, so the
extra
> > heat will not be helping it at all.
> >
> > 50C is quite normal for a Prescott, 40C is quite normal for a Northwood
> with
> > a correctly mounted CPU / HSF. Perhaps let your suppliers give a C chip
a
> go
> > and maybe they'll leave it in for you... It would be worth their effort
as
> > they will otherwise get (if that is the cause) a lot of complaints about
> > Pundits.
> >
> > HTH
> > - Tim
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Thanks for your comments. I agree and I very much suspect you're right.
>
> On a point of principal, I refuse to accept the system 'as is' - Asus
> released a new version of the Pundit (the -R), and it says on their web
site
> that it supports the Prescott chip at 3.2+GHz, and the machine is clearly
> marketed as being quiet.
>
> Now, if the thermal solution provided with the kit is not capable of
running
> a 2.8 Prescott (never mind a 3.2) at a temperature that allows the machine
> to run quietly, then they're lying. Pure and simple.
>
> The fact that the supplier's techie described Asus' thermal material (on
the
> base of their heatsink) as "awful" is hardly inspiring. Despite being
> "awful", they were still happy to sell me the kit, with the Prescott chip,
> without losing any sleep. They'd be quite happy to sell me some Arctic
> Silver to correct *their* mistake, but thankfully I've got some already.
>
> <rant>
> And having spent 5 (long and stressful) years in IT retail, I have
> absolutely zero tolerance for IT manufacturers, suppliers, and the
industry
> as a whole. As I no longer have any appetite to mess around with
computers,
> I ordered this setup because I reasoned that it would be quick to build
and
> get working - no hassle.
>
> From my point of view, it's really sad to see that in the time since I
left
> the IT industry, it still flaps around pathetically, completely failing to
> accommodate occasional-enthusiasts let alone novices. Researching and
> sourcing a system is hard enough work, without the inevitable pitfalls:
> manufacturers still don't mention if their products are compatible or
> incompatible with something ("yes, I know it's a pair of PC3200 Cas 2
> memory, but will it work with a bloody Athlon XYZ?"), suppliers still pass
> the buck onto manufacturers (who provide technical support at a rate
> surpassed even by carrier pigeons), and end-users are frankly treated like
> dirt. The burden of responsibility bizarrely lies with the consumer,
rather
> than the suppliers and manufacturers!
> </rant>
>
> So tomorrow, I will try some Arctic Silver on this heatsink (which, in
> principal, I don't want to do - I'd just like to have the damn machine
> working for the weekend). If it still roars like a north wind afterwards,
> it's going to get tossed in a box and sent back. Back to square one...
>
> I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks for all your comments &
suggestions.
>
>
>
Hi Tim.
I have the previous Pundit, with a 2.6Ghz P4. I use speedfan (google it) and
the box
sites at around 40 degrees and is almost silent. I also have a Asus T2-P
with a 2.8Ghz
Prescott P4. Speedfan doesn't work with this, so I have to use the awful
Qfan in the bios.
It a) runs a lot hotter b)the fans rev up and down all the time, which is a
right pain as when
the fans kick-in it makes you jump a bit in a quiet office c) is slower,
performance wise, than
my little pundit. The pundit is like greased lightening compared to the
T2-P, which is a shame
as the P2-T has better memory and hard drive than the pundit (not to mention
hyper-threading
processor). I've faffed about with drivers, tweaking Bios etc, but I can't
coax any more speed
out of it.
My conclusion - Prescott processors are a waste of space. Get a regular P4
processor, download
and run speedfan, and you will have a brilliant little box that is dead
quiet.
Good luck.
, I have a 2GHz Celeron, 256Mb of PC2700, a Maxtor 120GB
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