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Hi there,
My partner is a gamer and we're thinking of updating his motherboard. He
likes to stick with Asus so would anyone have a suggestion as to what model
Asus MB he should go for?

Thanks
Linda

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

In article <40d42630$0$28947$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"Linda :-Þ" <Consult the Book of Armaments!> wrote:

> Hi there,
> My partner is a gamer and we're thinking of updating his motherboard. He
> likes to stick with Asus so would anyone have a suggestion as to what model
> Asus MB he should go for?
>
> Thanks
> Linda

There are at least 50 motherboards on the Asus web page, and some
of them are limited to expensive processors. We would need to know
whether the budget is "unlimited" or is more tightly constrained.
For example, AMD boards are regarded as good for gaming, presumably
due to the floating point units of the processor. There is a
brand new board (just appeared on the Asus site within the last
couple of weeks), the A8V, which is like a K8V, but with Socket939
on it. The processors with 939 pins listed on Newegg, start at
$485 and go up. The board will undoubted perform well. Newegg shows
they aren't in stock yet, but the price is $171. I don't know if
this has a working AGP/PCI lock, but somehow I doubt it, as VIA
doesn't do "locks" well. (This limits extreme overclocking.)
As far as I can tell, both processor types use unbuffered memory,
the most common type.

Athlon64 Socket939 3500+ 2.2Ghz 512KB $485
Athlon64 Socket939 3800+ 2.4Ghz 512KB $698
AthlonFX Socket939 FX-53 2.4GHz 1MB $799

The Via K8T800 Pro chipset is mentioned here, as having a working
AGP/PCI lock, but I would want proof it is working on the Asus
board before buying and spending the big bucks on a 939 processor.
While this review is for Socket754, the same K8T800 Pro is used
in both cases.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=2063&p=2

A K8V SE Deluxe uses a Socket754 processor. The Via chipset doesn't
have a working AGP/PCI lock, so this limits overclocking the FSB from
about 200 to 228MHz. Newegg lists this for $121. This has a single
memory channel, and with Clawhammer, has some speed versus number of
DIMMs limits (see the K8V SE manual). The Newcastle processor is
supposed to change these limits, but I haven't read anything on it
yet. The Newcastle presents a slight dilemma - it has 512KB cache,
and a higher core speed, compared to Clawhammer with its 1MB cache, but
I've read one comment that Newcastle also improves the driving of
the DIMMs. To figure out what it can do, may require downloading the
datasheet from the AMD website. (The clever bastards at AMD have
changed the way they do datasheets, and I cannot find info on the
driving limits of Clawhammer any more. Similarly, I cannot get info
on how well Newcastle fixes it.)

Athlon64 Socket754 3200+ 2.0GHz 1MB $282
(There are two models, Clawhammer version with 1MB cache recommended
while they last. May give 5% more performance. If you expect to need
to use all DIMM slots, then buy Newcastle 512KB cache chip.)

There is a new, and as yet unseen, K8N-E Deluxe listed on the Asus
site. It uses the Nvidia "250GB" chipset, which has a working AGP/PCI
lock and is socket 754. That will also be a candidate to replace the
K8V SE Deluxe. That board is not even listed on Newegg.

The difference between Socket754 and Socket939/940, is the extra
pins are used for dual channel memory.

The SK8V is Socket940. It uses AthlonFX or Opteron processors and
registered memory only. Dual channel, with four DIMM slots. $182
Note that the following processor is different than the one listed
above, by one pin. This one uses registered memory, but I think the
Socket939 one above uses unbuffered memory. As always, check the
manual for the board, and check the cpusupport web page for processor
version and speed. (Note: Unknown what happens if you plug a 939
processor into a 940 socket. The socket will probably work just fine,
but if the DIMM sockets are only keyed for registered memory, it
will be impossible to fit the needed unbuffered memory.)

AthlonFX Socket940 FX-53 2.4GHz 1MB $799

Socket 939 is the wave of the future, while Socket 754 and Socket
940 are the current versions. Socket 754 could become the "value"
segment socket of choice, replacing the AthlonXP stuff.

So, in summary:

Socket754 (unbuffered memory, single channel, Athlon64)
No AGP/PCI lock (K8V SE Deluxe)
AGP/PCI lock (K8N-E Deluxe - not shipping)
Processors - Clawhammer 1MB cache, Newcastle 512KB cache and
possibly the ability to drive more modules at DDR400.
Socket940 (registered memory, dual channel, FX or Opteron processors)
Don't know (SK8V)
Socket939 (unbuffered memory, dual channel, Athlon64 or FX 939)
AGP/PCI lock ??? (A8V Deluxe - not shipping)

What the summary is saying, is if your partner is not an overclocker,
buy what is on the shelf now. If your partner wishes to experiment,
then the boards that aren't shipping yet are the ones to get.
Socket 939 looks to be the "wave of the future" on the performance
end.

At the other extreme, an A7N8X family board and a Mobile Athlon XP-M
can also be used, and depending on how high it overclocks, also give you
a good gaming experience. Be careful when buying the processor, as
there are AthlonXP (the ordinary ones, also an option) and Athlon XP-M
is the mobile one. You have to select the right type of mobile processor
to get a high overclock. Use the search engine on nforcershq.com for
more info on overclocking the XP-M.

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/vi [...] 500+newegg

Have fun,
Paul

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Wow, so much info! Thanks
He currently has a A7A266-e and running athlon XP 1600. He just wanted to
upgrade a little and talking aboutt he $600 range etc.
I guess I better cruise some of the comp stores/fairs and suss it out a bit
more.
All this talk of sockets is too much for my mind to absorb LOL I'm
definitely no techie........... LOL
Thanks for all that info though! I'll pass it on to him.


"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-1906041223110001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <40d42630$0$28947$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> "Linda :-Þ" <Consult the Book of Armaments!> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> > My partner is a gamer and we're thinking of updating his motherboard. He
> > likes to stick with Asus so would anyone have a suggestion as to what
model
> > Asus MB he should go for?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Linda
>
> There are at least 50 motherboards on the Asus web page, and some
> of them are limited to expensive processors. We would need to know
> whether the budget is "unlimited" or is more tightly constrained.
> For example, AMD boards are regarded as good for gaming, presumably
> due to the floating point units of the processor. There is a
> brand new board (just appeared on the Asus site within the last
> couple of weeks), the A8V, which is like a K8V, but with Socket939
> on it. The processors with 939 pins listed on Newegg, start at
> $485 and go up. The board will undoubted perform well. Newegg shows
> they aren't in stock yet, but the price is $171. I don't know if
> this has a working AGP/PCI lock, but somehow I doubt it, as VIA
> doesn't do "locks" well. (This limits extreme overclocking.)
> As far as I can tell, both processor types use unbuffered memory,
> the most common type.
>
> Athlon64 Socket939 3500+ 2.2Ghz 512KB $485
> Athlon64 Socket939 3800+ 2.4Ghz 512KB $698
> AthlonFX Socket939 FX-53 2.4GHz 1MB $799
>
> The Via K8T800 Pro chipset is mentioned here, as having a working
> AGP/PCI lock, but I would want proof it is working on the Asus
> board before buying and spending the big bucks on a 939 processor.
> While this review is for Socket754, the same K8T800 Pro is used
> in both cases.
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=2063&p=2
>
> A K8V SE Deluxe uses a Socket754 processor. The Via chipset doesn't
> have a working AGP/PCI lock, so this limits overclocking the FSB from
> about 200 to 228MHz. Newegg lists this for $121. This has a single
> memory channel, and with Clawhammer, has some speed versus number of
> DIMMs limits (see the K8V SE manual). The Newcastle processor is
> supposed to change these limits, but I haven't read anything on it
> yet. The Newcastle presents a slight dilemma - it has 512KB cache,
> and a higher core speed, compared to Clawhammer with its 1MB cache, but
> I've read one comment that Newcastle also improves the driving of
> the DIMMs. To figure out what it can do, may require downloading the
> datasheet from the AMD website. (The clever bastards at AMD have
> changed the way they do datasheets, and I cannot find info on the
> driving limits of Clawhammer any more. Similarly, I cannot get info
> on how well Newcastle fixes it.)
>
> Athlon64 Socket754 3200+ 2.0GHz 1MB $282
> (There are two models, Clawhammer version with 1MB cache recommended
> while they last. May give 5% more performance. If you expect to need
> to use all DIMM slots, then buy Newcastle 512KB cache chip.)
>
> There is a new, and as yet unseen, K8N-E Deluxe listed on the Asus
> site. It uses the Nvidia "250GB" chipset, which has a working AGP/PCI
> lock and is socket 754. That will also be a candidate to replace the
> K8V SE Deluxe. That board is not even listed on Newegg.
>
> The difference between Socket754 and Socket939/940, is the extra
> pins are used for dual channel memory.
>
> The SK8V is Socket940. It uses AthlonFX or Opteron processors and
> registered memory only. Dual channel, with four DIMM slots. $182
> Note that the following processor is different than the one listed
> above, by one pin. This one uses registered memory, but I think the
> Socket939 one above uses unbuffered memory. As always, check the
> manual for the board, and check the cpusupport web page for processor
> version and speed. (Note: Unknown what happens if you plug a 939
> processor into a 940 socket. The socket will probably work just fine,
> but if the DIMM sockets are only keyed for registered memory, it
> will be impossible to fit the needed unbuffered memory.)
>
> AthlonFX Socket940 FX-53 2.4GHz 1MB $799
>
> Socket 939 is the wave of the future, while Socket 754 and Socket
> 940 are the current versions. Socket 754 could become the "value"
> segment socket of choice, replacing the AthlonXP stuff.
>
> So, in summary:
>
> Socket754 (unbuffered memory, single channel, Athlon64)
> No AGP/PCI lock (K8V SE Deluxe)
> AGP/PCI lock (K8N-E Deluxe - not shipping)
> Processors - Clawhammer 1MB cache, Newcastle 512KB cache and
> possibly the ability to drive more modules at DDR400.
> Socket940 (registered memory, dual channel, FX or Opteron processors)
> Don't know (SK8V)
> Socket939 (unbuffered memory, dual channel, Athlon64 or FX 939)
> AGP/PCI lock ??? (A8V Deluxe - not shipping)
>
> What the summary is saying, is if your partner is not an overclocker,
> buy what is on the shelf now. If your partner wishes to experiment,
> then the boards that aren't shipping yet are the ones to get.
> Socket 939 looks to be the "wave of the future" on the performance
> end.
>
> At the other extreme, an A7N8X family board and a Mobile Athlon XP-M
> can also be used, and depending on how high it overclocks, also give you
> a good gaming experience. Be careful when buying the processor, as
> there are AthlonXP (the ordinary ones, also an option) and Athlon XP-M
> is the mobile one. You have to select the right type of mobile processor
> to get a high overclock. Use the search engine on nforcershq.com for
> more info on overclocking the XP-M.
>
>
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/vi [...] m+2500+new
egg
>
> Have fun,
> Paul

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

Apparently, (so say the A8V testers) the AGP/PCI lock works perfectly well
under the latest revision bios.

"Linda :-Þ" <Consult the Book of Armaments!> wrote in message
news:40d4bac1$0$28950$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Wow, so much info! Thanks
> He currently has a A7A266-e and running athlon XP 1600. He just wanted to
> upgrade a little and talking aboutt he $600 range etc.
> I guess I better cruise some of the comp stores/fairs and suss it out a
bit
> more.
> All this talk of sockets is too much for my mind to absorb LOL I'm
> definitely no techie........... LOL
> Thanks for all that info though! I'll pass it on to him.
>
>
> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
> news:nospam-1906041223110001@192.168.1.177...
> > In article
<40d42630$0$28947$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> > "Linda :-Þ" <Consult the Book of Armaments!> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi there,
> > > My partner is a gamer and we're thinking of updating his motherboard.
He
> > > likes to stick with Asus so would anyone have a suggestion as to what
> model
> > > Asus MB he should go for?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Linda
> >
> > There are at least 50 motherboards on the Asus web page, and some
> > of them are limited to expensive processors. We would need to know
> > whether the budget is "unlimited" or is more tightly constrained.
> > For example, AMD boards are regarded as good for gaming, presumably
> > due to the floating point units of the processor. There is a
> > brand new board (just appeared on the Asus site within the last
> > couple of weeks), the A8V, which is like a K8V, but with Socket939
> > on it. The processors with 939 pins listed on Newegg, start at
> > $485 and go up. The board will undoubted perform well. Newegg shows
> > they aren't in stock yet, but the price is $171. I don't know if
> > this has a working AGP/PCI lock, but somehow I doubt it, as VIA
> > doesn't do "locks" well. (This limits extreme overclocking.)
> > As far as I can tell, both processor types use unbuffered memory,
> > the most common type.
> >
> > Athlon64 Socket939 3500+ 2.2Ghz 512KB $485
> > Athlon64 Socket939 3800+ 2.4Ghz 512KB $698
> > AthlonFX Socket939 FX-53 2.4GHz 1MB $799
> >
> > The Via K8T800 Pro chipset is mentioned here, as having a working
> > AGP/PCI lock, but I would want proof it is working on the Asus
> > board before buying and spending the big bucks on a 939 processor.
> > While this review is for Socket754, the same K8T800 Pro is used
> > in both cases.
> >
> > http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=2063&p=2
> >
> > A K8V SE Deluxe uses a Socket754 processor. The Via chipset doesn't
> > have a working AGP/PCI lock, so this limits overclocking the FSB from
> > about 200 to 228MHz. Newegg lists this for $121. This has a single
> > memory channel, and with Clawhammer, has some speed versus number of
> > DIMMs limits (see the K8V SE manual). The Newcastle processor is
> > supposed to change these limits, but I haven't read anything on it
> > yet. The Newcastle presents a slight dilemma - it has 512KB cache,
> > and a higher core speed, compared to Clawhammer with its 1MB cache, but
> > I've read one comment that Newcastle also improves the driving of
> > the DIMMs. To figure out what it can do, may require downloading the
> > datasheet from the AMD website. (The clever bastards at AMD have
> > changed the way they do datasheets, and I cannot find info on the
> > driving limits of Clawhammer any more. Similarly, I cannot get info
> > on how well Newcastle fixes it.)
> >
> > Athlon64 Socket754 3200+ 2.0GHz 1MB $282
> > (There are two models, Clawhammer version with 1MB cache recommended
> > while they last. May give 5% more performance. If you expect to need
> > to use all DIMM slots, then buy Newcastle 512KB cache chip.)
> >
> > There is a new, and as yet unseen, K8N-E Deluxe listed on the Asus
> > site. It uses the Nvidia "250GB" chipset, which has a working AGP/PCI
> > lock and is socket 754. That will also be a candidate to replace the
> > K8V SE Deluxe. That board is not even listed on Newegg.
> >
> > The difference between Socket754 and Socket939/940, is the extra
> > pins are used for dual channel memory.
> >
> > The SK8V is Socket940. It uses AthlonFX or Opteron processors and
> > registered memory only. Dual channel, with four DIMM slots. $182
> > Note that the following processor is different than the one listed
> > above, by one pin. This one uses registered memory, but I think the
> > Socket939 one above uses unbuffered memory. As always, check the
> > manual for the board, and check the cpusupport web page for processor
> > version and speed. (Note: Unknown what happens if you plug a 939
> > processor into a 940 socket. The socket will probably work just fine,
> > but if the DIMM sockets are only keyed for registered memory, it
> > will be impossible to fit the needed unbuffered memory.)
> >
> > AthlonFX Socket940 FX-53 2.4GHz 1MB $799
> >
> > Socket 939 is the wave of the future, while Socket 754 and Socket
> > 940 are the current versions. Socket 754 could become the "value"
> > segment socket of choice, replacing the AthlonXP stuff.
> >
> > So, in summary:
> >
> > Socket754 (unbuffered memory, single channel, Athlon64)
> > No AGP/PCI lock (K8V SE Deluxe)
> > AGP/PCI lock (K8N-E Deluxe - not shipping)
> > Processors - Clawhammer 1MB cache, Newcastle 512KB cache and
> > possibly the ability to drive more modules at DDR400.
> > Socket940 (registered memory, dual channel, FX or Opteron processors)
> > Don't know (SK8V)
> > Socket939 (unbuffered memory, dual channel, Athlon64 or FX 939)
> > AGP/PCI lock ??? (A8V Deluxe - not shipping)
> >
> > What the summary is saying, is if your partner is not an overclocker,
> > buy what is on the shelf now. If your partner wishes to experiment,
> > then the boards that aren't shipping yet are the ones to get.
> > Socket 939 looks to be the "wave of the future" on the performance
> > end.
> >
> > At the other extreme, an A7N8X family board and a Mobile Athlon XP-M
> > can also be used, and depending on how high it overclocks, also give you
> > a good gaming experience. Be careful when buying the processor, as
> > there are AthlonXP (the ordinary ones, also an option) and Athlon XP-M
> > is the mobile one. You have to select the right type of mobile processor
> > to get a high overclock. Use the search engine on nforcershq.com for
> > more info on overclocking the XP-M.
> >
> >
>
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/vi [...] m+2500+new
> egg
> >
> > Have fun,
> > Paul
>
>