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Anonymous
April 21, 2004 3:06:56 AM

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Hi,

I just finished hooking up a shiny new Canon i960. As far as I could,
anyway.

It's been some time since I bought a printer, but I've always known
that essential connecting cables come with new pieces of equipment.
Yet, the essential USB printer cable for the i960 is nowhere to be
seen.

Neither is it mentioned on the box that one must shell out extra while
still in the store, to get the printer doing anything.

I think that kind of blows-

James
jcanning@rochester.rr.com
April 21, 2004 3:06:57 AM

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That's pretty standard for printers & scanners. I don't think they used to
give you a parallel cable either.

Don


"brocpuffs" <brocpuffs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I just finished hooking up a shiny new Canon i960. As far as I could,
> anyway.
>
> It's been some time since I bought a printer, but I've always known
> that essential connecting cables come with new pieces of equipment.
> Yet, the essential USB printer cable for the i960 is nowhere to be
> seen.
>
> Neither is it mentioned on the box that one must shell out extra while
> still in the store, to get the printer doing anything.
>
> I think that kind of blows-
>
> James
> jcanning@rochester.rr.com
>
April 21, 2004 11:13:02 AM

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Don wrote:

>That's pretty standard for printers & scanners. I don't think they used to
>give you a parallel cable either.

It's standard now, but when parallel cable was your only choice they
included a cable in the box.

Since there are two options now, they don't include a cable so you have
the choice of buying the right cable for your setup. Eventually all
printers will be USB only, and they may start to put cables in the boxes
again. But for now, you need to buy the cable that suits your needs and
configuration.

Of course, if USB is the only connection option, then it should be
included in the box. :) 
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Anonymous
April 21, 2004 11:13:03 AM

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The i960 ONLY comes with a USB connection BUT have two USB slots, one for
USB 1.1 and the other USB 2.0

THEY did not provide a cable with mine either

rule of thumb NEVER give up your cables :) 


"Bill" <bill@c.a> wrote in message news:mI6dnWUjoPzdyhvdRVn-jA@golden.net...
: Don wrote:
:
: >That's pretty standard for printers & scanners. I don't think they used
to
: >give you a parallel cable either.
:
: It's standard now, but when parallel cable was your only choice they
: included a cable in the box.
:
: Since there are two options now, they don't include a cable so you have
: the choice of buying the right cable for your setup. Eventually all
: printers will be USB only, and they may start to put cables in the boxes
: again. But for now, you need to buy the cable that suits your needs and
: configuration.
:
: Of course, if USB is the only connection option, then it should be
: included in the box. :) 
Anonymous
April 21, 2004 2:09:22 PM

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My i560 is both, USB or parallel and it came with a USB cable.

Bill wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
>
>>That's pretty standard for printers & scanners. I don't think they used to
>>give you a parallel cable either.
>
>
> It's standard now, but when parallel cable was your only choice they
> included a cable in the box.
>
> Since there are two options now, they don't include a cable so you have
> the choice of buying the right cable for your setup. Eventually all
> printers will be USB only, and they may start to put cables in the boxes
> again. But for now, you need to buy the cable that suits your needs and
> configuration.
>
> Of course, if USB is the only connection option, then it should be
> included in the box. :) 
Anonymous
April 21, 2004 4:53:55 PM

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Printers have pretty much never included the cable in the box. Even HP says
so in their "Guide to Printing" or some such.
This said, I am sure someone here will remember a time when they did, but
that would be ancient history.
Also, BTW, for the most part today printers no longer offer a choice as
parallel has gone by the wayside, and most printers now only support USB.

As to whether a cable should be included, take it from personal experience,
if a company were to include a cable and raise the price accordingly, they
would surely suffer in the marketplace.


--



"The human adventure is just beginning"

"Bill" <bill@c.a> wrote in message news:mI6dnWUjoPzdyhvdRVn-jA@golden.net...
> Don wrote:
>
> >That's pretty standard for printers & scanners. I don't think they used
to
> >give you a parallel cable either.
>
> It's standard now, but when parallel cable was your only choice they
> included a cable in the box.
>
> Since there are two options now, they don't include a cable so you have
> the choice of buying the right cable for your setup. Eventually all
> printers will be USB only, and they may start to put cables in the boxes
> again. But for now, you need to buy the cable that suits your needs and
> configuration.
>
> Of course, if USB is the only connection option, then it should be
> included in the box. :) 
Anonymous
April 21, 2004 5:27:53 PM

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Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!



"brocpuffs" <brocpuffs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I just finished hooking up a shiny new Canon i960. As far as I could,
> anyway.
>
> It's been some time since I bought a printer, but I've always known
> that essential connecting cables come with new pieces of equipment.
> Yet, the essential USB printer cable for the i960 is nowhere to be
> seen.
>
> Neither is it mentioned on the box that one must shell out extra while
> still in the store, to get the printer doing anything.
>
> I think that kind of blows-
>
> James
> jcanning@rochester.rr.com
>
Anonymous
April 21, 2004 5:44:14 PM

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WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS??


"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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: Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!
:
:
:
: "brocpuffs" <brocpuffs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:a2pb80dt8kd6l04gaagp3025po20jnid0j@4ax.com...
: > Hi,
: >
: > I just finished hooking up a shiny new Canon i960. As far as I could,
: > anyway.
: >
: > It's been some time since I bought a printer, but I've always known
: > that essential connecting cables come with new pieces of equipment.
: > Yet, the essential USB printer cable for the i960 is nowhere to be
: > seen.
: >
: > Neither is it mentioned on the box that one must shell out extra while
: > still in the store, to get the printer doing anything.
: >
: > I think that kind of blows-
: >
: > James
: > jcanning@rochester.rr.com
: >
:
:
April 21, 2004 7:44:27 PM

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raysaun wrote:

>My i560 is both, USB or parallel and it came with a USB cable.

I'll bet you bought your printer at Sam's Club.

:) 
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 1:26:56 AM

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:27:53 -0600, "Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote:

>Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!
>

Damn! Just bought one.

James
jcanning@rochester.rr.com
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 1:32:29 AM

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:53:55 GMT, "C0mdrData"
<C0mdrData@NOSPAMfrontiernet.net> wrote:

>Printers have pretty much never included the cable in the box. Even HP says
>so in their "Guide to Printing" or some such.
>This said, I am sure someone here will remember a time when they did, but
>that would be ancient history.

Somebody did :-)

Who's ancient history?! My late lamented printer was a Canon 7004,
nothing but parallel. Don't remember if it came with a cable, probably
not. Most printers then were parallel.

>Also, BTW, for the most part today printers no longer offer a choice as
>parallel has gone by the wayside, and most printers now only support USB.

Well that happened after I got my Canon 7004-
While I agree that including a cable would take the price up, I thing
it would be tolerably inexpensive to print "cable not included"
somewheres on the box.

"What, that would discourage ignorant customers," one might say? Well
then it says "ah let 'em find out for themselves".

James
jcanning@rochester.rr.com
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 5:39:32 AM

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Responses interspersed.


"brocpuffs" <brocpuffs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:53:55 GMT, "C0mdrData"
> <C0mdrData@NOSPAMfrontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> >Printers have pretty much never included the cable in the box. Even HP
says
> >so in their "Guide to Printing" or some such.
> >This said, I am sure someone here will remember a time when they did, but
> >that would be ancient history.
>
> Somebody did :-)
>
> Who's ancient history?! My late lamented printer was a Canon 7004,
> nothing but parallel. Don't remember if it came with a cable, probably
> not. Most printers then were parallel.

"Ancient History" referred to the possibility of cables being included. The
elimination of parallel connections is a recent development. I am still
using a parallel connection on my HP DJ882C on my secondary computer, as
only the parallel connection provides bidirectional communication.


> >Also, BTW, for the most part today printers no longer offer a choice as
> >parallel has gone by the wayside, and most printers now only support USB.
>
> Well that happened after I got my Canon 7004-
> While I agree that including a cable would take the price up, I thing
> it would be tolerably inexpensive to print "cable not included"
> somewheres on the box.

HP is now starting to print that on their boxes...although it is easily
missed.


>
> "What, that would discourage ignorant customers," one might say? Well
> then it says "ah let 'em find out for themselves".
>
> James
> jcanning@rochester.rr.com

--

"The human adventure is just beginning"
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 11:40:55 AM

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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:39:32 GMT, "C0mdrData"
<C0mdrData@NOSPAMfrontiernet.net> found these unused words floating about:

>Responses interspersed.
>
>
>"brocpuffs" <brocpuffs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:p r7e80ptucfc6i8gd7js92o6g98ccr522t@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:53:55 GMT, "C0mdrData"
>> <C0mdrData@NOSPAMfrontiernet.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Printers have pretty much never included the cable in the box. Even HP
>says
>> >so in their "Guide to Printing" or some such.
>> >This said, I am sure someone here will remember a time when they did, but
>> >that would be ancient history.
>>
>> Somebody did :-)
>>
>> Who's ancient history?! My late lamented printer was a Canon 7004,
>> nothing but parallel. Don't remember if it came with a cable, probably
>> not. Most printers then were parallel.
>
>"Ancient History" referred to the possibility of cables being included. The
>elimination of parallel connections is a recent development. I am still
>using a parallel connection on my HP DJ882C on my secondary computer, as
>only the parallel connection provides bidirectional communication.
>
>
>> >Also, BTW, for the most part today printers no longer offer a choice as
>> >parallel has gone by the wayside, and most printers now only support USB.
>>
>> Well that happened after I got my Canon 7004-
>> While I agree that including a cable would take the price up, I thing
>> it would be tolerably inexpensive to print "cable not included"
>> somewheres on the box.
>
>HP is now starting to print that on their boxes...although it is easily
>missed.
>

Canon does so with the much earlier i560. Look under "Specifications"
"Interface" on the side panel ... bet the 7004 says something there!

>>
>> "What, that would discourage ignorant customers," one might say? Well
>> then it says "ah let 'em find out for themselves".
>>
>> James
>> jcanning@rochester.rr.com
Anonymous
April 28, 2004 12:42:20 AM

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"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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> Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!
>

That's kind of the point. They're so reasonably priced that you've got a
zillion of them... Me too. Probably half this group does. Do you think
CANON could afford to give the OP one as a throw in with his newly bought
printer. Bought in bulk, could they cost more than $0.25 each??? If I were
indifferently looking at printers and one box proclaimed "Quality USB Cable
included - $20 Value!" and another scribbled in tiny legalese print "Cable
Not Included", guess which box would get the first closer look?

My Canon flatbed came with a USB cable and I thought that was a nice touch.
Anonymous
April 28, 2004 1:31:09 AM

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Bob Kos wrote:
> "Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
> news:bd-dnT0mepxAVxvdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
>
>>Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!
>>
>
>
> That's kind of the point. They're so reasonably priced that you've got a
> zillion of them... Me too. Probably half this group does. Do you think
> CANON could afford to give the OP one as a throw in with his newly bought
> printer. Bought in bulk, could they cost more than $0.25 each??? If I were
> indifferently looking at printers and one box proclaimed "Quality USB Cable
> included - $20 Value!" and another scribbled in tiny legalese print "Cable
> Not Included", guess which box would get the first closer look?
>
> My Canon flatbed came with a USB cable and I thought that was a nice touch.
>
>
>

Printers always used to come with cables, before USB was dreamt up.

--
Ben Thomas

Apparently less than 10% of accidents are caused by drivers exceeding the speed
limit.
Anonymous
April 28, 2004 2:02:24 AM

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"Bob Kos" <see@text.for.eddress> wrote in message
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>
> "Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
> news:bd-dnT0mepxAVxvdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> > Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!
> >
>
> That's kind of the point. They're so reasonably priced that you've got a
> zillion of them... Me too. Probably half this group does. Do you think
> CANON could afford to give the OP one as a throw in with his newly bought
> printer. Bought in bulk, could they cost more than $0.25 each??? If I
were
> indifferently looking at printers and one box proclaimed "Quality USB
Cable
> included - $20 Value!" and another scribbled in tiny legalese print "Cable
> Not Included", guess which box would get the first closer look?


The one with the lower price. Its an unfortunate fact.
>
> My Canon flatbed came with a USB cable and I thought that was a nice
touch.
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 28, 2004 2:04:47 AM

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"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Bob Kos wrote:
> > "Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
> > news:bd-dnT0mepxAVxvdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> >
> >>Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!
> >>
> >
> >
> > That's kind of the point. They're so reasonably priced that you've got
a
> > zillion of them... Me too. Probably half this group does. Do you
think
> > CANON could afford to give the OP one as a throw in with his newly
bought
> > printer. Bought in bulk, could they cost more than $0.25 each??? If I
were
> > indifferently looking at printers and one box proclaimed "Quality USB
Cable
> > included - $20 Value!" and another scribbled in tiny legalese print
"Cable
> > Not Included", guess which box would get the first closer look?
> >
> > My Canon flatbed came with a USB cable and I thought that was a nice
touch.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Printers always used to come with cables, before USB was dreamt up.



Absolutely not true. A store use to be able to make a nice living selling
parallel printer cables. Again, check the HP guide to printing...1st
edition..

All-in-ones did include the cable, but not straight printers.
--

"The human adventure is just beginning"


> Apparently less than 10% of accidents are caused by drivers exceeding the
speed
> limit.
Anonymous
April 28, 2004 6:17:03 AM

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C0mdrData wrote:

> Absolutely not true. A store use to be able to make a nice living selling
> parallel printer cables. Again, check the HP guide to printing...1st
> edition..
>
> All-in-ones did include the cable, but not straight printers.

Guess we were just lucky with the printers we bought.

--
Ben Thomas

Apparently less than 10% of accidents are caused by drivers exceeding the speed
limit.
Anonymous
April 28, 2004 8:44:45 AM

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I've bought a lot of printers (in excess of 30) over the years - dot matrix,
laser, inkjet. Only a couple came with a cable and that was due to some
special marketing scheme. As I recall, nearly every box was labeled, usually
in small print, that the cable was not included. Every scanner I've bought
did come with a cable. For new users, including the cable would be a benefit
since newbie's wouldn't have a stash of excess cables. Maybe that's why
Sam's Club includes cables with the Canon printers they are now selling. If
it cuts down on customer complaints and returns it would be cost effective.
--
Ron Cohen

"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:cdjm6c.6o9.ln@192.168.11.2...
> Bob Kos wrote:
> > "Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
> > news:bd-dnT0mepxAVxvdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> >
> >>Jeez, I've got USB cables all over the place, come over and get one!
> >>
> >
> >
> > That's kind of the point. They're so reasonably priced that you've got
a
> > zillion of them... Me too. Probably half this group does. Do you
think
> > CANON could afford to give the OP one as a throw in with his newly
bought
> > printer. Bought in bulk, could they cost more than $0.25 each??? If I
were
> > indifferently looking at printers and one box proclaimed "Quality USB
Cable
> > included - $20 Value!" and another scribbled in tiny legalese print
"Cable
> > Not Included", guess which box would get the first closer look?
> >
> > My Canon flatbed came with a USB cable and I thought that was a nice
touch.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Printers always used to come with cables, before USB was dreamt up.
>
> --
> Ben Thomas
>
> Apparently less than 10% of accidents are caused by drivers exceeding the
speed
> limit.


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Anonymous
April 28, 2004 6:49:41 PM

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Life is fun wrote:

> The i960 ONLY comes with a USB connection BUT have two USB slots, one for
> USB 1.1 and the other USB 2.0
>
> THEY did not provide a cable with mine either
>
> rule of thumb NEVER give up your cables :) 

my partner would suggest otherwise, I have boxes of cables that
apparently waste alot of room :) 
Anonymous
April 28, 2004 6:50:28 PM

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brocpuffs wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just finished hooking up a shiny new Canon i960. As far as I could,
> anyway.
>
> It's been some time since I bought a printer, but I've always known
> that essential connecting cables come with new pieces of equipment.
> Yet, the essential USB printer cable for the i960 is nowhere to be
> seen.
>
> Neither is it mentioned on the box that one must shell out extra while
> still in the store, to get the printer doing anything.
>
> I think that kind of blows-

Bought a r210 yesterday and convinced the guy to throw one in with the
printer, saved me A$20.

a.
!