A7X8X-X Bios settings?

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Hi,

I have a A7V8X-X Mobo with a 333 FSB. I also have a Athlon 2500 Barton
Core running 3 memory modules, 2 x Crucial P2100, 256 DDR, 266 Mhz
CL2.5;
1 x Crucial P2100, 512 DDR 266 Mhz. When I look at Asus Probe it tells
me that the maximum spped for the CPU is 2250, but the current speed
is 1466 with a external clock speed of 133.

Now, in the bios setting I have the external clock speed set to
133/33, the multiplier set at 16.5X and the memory set at a speed of
266. Am I right therefore that the CPU speed is actually running at
2195, despite what Asus Probe is telling me? If not - how do I get the
CPU to run nearer it's intended speed?

If I use the default settings in BIOS and turn the speed up to more
than 1800, it states that the memory must be 333 or higher, which mine
obviously is not. Can some also please explain what the 133/33 is all
about as this comfuses me as well?

Many thanks.

Paul.

 

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chuck yer fsb jumper to 200mhz, and change accordingly in bios - 11.0>12.00
or so.

"Paul Baker" <paul_baker@go.com> wrote in message
news:c833e679.0407110220.7765cace@posting.google.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have a A7V8X-X Mobo with a 333 FSB. I also have a Athlon 2500 Barton
> Core running 3 memory modules, 2 x Crucial P2100, 256 DDR, 266 Mhz
> CL2.5;
> 1 x Crucial P2100, 512 DDR 266 Mhz. When I look at Asus Probe it tells
> me that the maximum spped for the CPU is 2250, but the current speed
> is 1466 with a external clock speed of 133.
>
> Now, in the bios setting I have the external clock speed set to
> 133/33, the multiplier set at 16.5X and the memory set at a speed of
> 266. Am I right therefore that the CPU speed is actually running at
> 2195, despite what Asus Probe is telling me? If not - how do I get the
> CPU to run nearer it's intended speed?
>
> If I use the default settings in BIOS and turn the speed up to more
> than 1800, it states that the memory must be 333 or higher, which mine
> obviously is not. Can some also please explain what the 133/33 is all
> about as this comfuses me as well?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Paul.

 

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In article <ccr7a7$66n$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Blaedmon" <ass@hell.com> wrote:

> chuck yer fsb jumper to 200mhz, and change accordingly in bios - 11.0>12.00
> or so.
>
> "Paul Baker" <paul_baker@go.com> wrote in message
> news:c833e679.0407110220.7765cace@posting.google.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a A7V8X-X Mobo with a 333 FSB. I also have a Athlon 2500 Barton
> > Core running 3 memory modules, 2 x Crucial P2100, 256 DDR, 266 Mhz
> > CL2.5;
> > 1 x Crucial P2100, 512 DDR 266 Mhz. When I look at Asus Probe it tells
> > me that the maximum spped for the CPU is 2250, but the current speed
> > is 1466 with a external clock speed of 133.
> >
> > Now, in the bios setting I have the external clock speed set to
> > 133/33, the multiplier set at 16.5X and the memory set at a speed of
> > 266. Am I right therefore that the CPU speed is actually running at
> > 2195, despite what Asus Probe is telling me? If not - how do I get the
> > CPU to run nearer it's intended speed?
> >
> > If I use the default settings in BIOS and turn the speed up to more
> > than 1800, it states that the memory must be 333 or higher, which mine
> > obviously is not. Can some also please explain what the 133/33 is all
> > about as this comfuses me as well?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > Paul.

There is mention here, of the fifth multiplier bit. It controls
whether the other four multiplier bits give 5.5-12.5 or 13 and above.
I suspect that is why your multiplier setting isn't really 16.5, but
is from the lower range instead. See "Reader Tips" by user "Omonk"...

http://www.viperlair.com/articles/howto/cpu/unlock/p4.shtml

133 is the CPU clock in MHz. 33 is the PCI bus clock in MHz.
Both the processor FSB and the memory operate DDR, transferring
two chunks of data per clock cycle. So, FSB266 and DDR266 are
perfectly matched for each other, and the numbers are based on
2xclock_rate.

HTH,
Paul

 

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Snip
>
> There is mention here, of the fifth multiplier bit. It controls
> whether the other four multiplier bits give 5.5-12.5 or 13 and above.
> I suspect that is why your multiplier setting isn't really 16.5, but
> is from the lower range instead. See "Reader Tips" by user "Omonk"...
>
> http://www.viperlair.com/articles/howto/cpu/unlock/p4.shtml
>
> 133 is the CPU clock in MHz. 33 is the PCI bus clock in MHz.
> Both the processor FSB and the memory operate DDR, transferring
> two chunks of data per clock cycle. So, FSB266 and DDR266 are
> perfectly matched for each other, and the numbers are based on
> 2xclock_rate.
>
> HTH,
> Paul

Thanks for the link, having read it, how do I "cut the L3 bridge"?

 

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In article <c833e679.0407130037.1757057d@posting.google.com>,
paul_baker@go.com (Paul Baker) wrote:

> Snip
> >
> > There is mention here, of the fifth multiplier bit. It controls
> > whether the other four multiplier bits give 5.5-12.5 or 13 and above.
> > I suspect that is why your multiplier setting isn't really 16.5, but
> > is from the lower range instead. See "Reader Tips" by user "Omonk"...
> >
> > http://www.viperlair.com/articles/howto/cpu/unlock/p4.shtml
> >
> > 133 is the CPU clock in MHz. 33 is the PCI bus clock in MHz.
> > Both the processor FSB and the memory operate DDR, transferring
> > two chunks of data per clock cycle. So, FSB266 and DDR266 are
> > perfectly matched for each other, and the numbers are based on
> > 2xclock_rate.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Paul
>
> Thanks for the link, having read it, how do I "cut the L3 bridge"?

In terms of multipliers, some motherboards don't support the
fifth multiplier bit properly. Multipliers have a low range
and a high range, and the fifth bit has something to do with
which range is available. (I'm not an Athlon guy, so I don't
have a complete table of bridge mod versus processor type
stored in my head.)

Multipliers have been "superlocked" on AthlonXP processors since
earlier this year. Attempts to change the multiplier, even if
the BIOS is showing a certain number, are not really working.
If you bought a processor last year, those processors would
likely be unlocked. Your multiplier is locked at 166*11=1833

What I neglected to pick up on, is you have a 166MHz clock processor
running at 133MHz. That is why your current 1466 is not the 1833
it is supposed to be. 1466*(166/133)=1833

1833 (2500+) OPGA 166MHz 512KB 1.65 V 85°C 53.7 W

So, the question is, can your motherboard support operating
the processor at 166MHz clock (FSB333) while the memory is
limited to 133MHz clock (DDR266) ? You really could use
some PC2700 or faster memory, so the FSB and memory can be
operated at the same speed.

And, of course, the answer is no. This table in the manual
says if the FSB is run at 166*2=333, the memory has to be
DDR333 as well. Your memory is DDR266 (PC2100), so I guess
you are stuck at 133*2=FSB266.

TABLE 1.3.1 FSB/DDR Support Table

FSB DDR266 DDR333 DDR400
200/266 MHz Yes Yes Yes
333 MHz No Yes No

A multiplier mod would really come in handy, if you had an
older processor, but if you bought your 2500+ recently,
then changing the multiplier won't work.

Ways out of this mess, would be to find a FSB266 processor,
and the faster ones are hard to find, or buy better memory.
Neither option is cheap.

I don't know if your BIOS will allow you to overclock your
ram or not. You could try setting CAS higher and set Trcd to
one more than it is currently set to, as loosening Trcd is
supposed to expose whatever headroom a memory has to offer.
You would want to check that with memtest86, to make sure
the memory is error free. I would start with one stick of
memory, just to see if the memory is interested in
overclocking or not.

Note that your manual says the memory slots only support
two banks of double sided PC2700 memory, which means you
wouldn't be able to run all three sticks at that speed.
Buying two 512MB double sided sticks, would give you 1GB
of memory using two slots, and they could be PC2700 or
PC3200, and operate at DDR333 (faster memory is backward
compatible).

Unless you've got more money to spend, you are stuck
at 1466MHz.

It is possible this website can get you a different
multiplier - they claim to have a recipe to make an
AthlonXP into an AthlonXP-M mobile processor. This shows
some bridge cutting/bridge painting options:

http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa/tbred_painting.html

How to cut or paint a bridge (there are many sites on the
web that show techniques for doing this, to the various
models of processors):

http://www.ocinside.de/html/workshop/socketa_bridges.html

Pin/socket modding is shown here:
http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html

As I'm not an AMD guide, I have no idea how all this stuff
works, so you are on your own. Searching here, for info on
"bridge modding", might be an option - use the middle search
box and click the "all terms" button for best results.

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/search.php

Paul

 

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SNIP

>
> Unless you've got more money to spend, you are stuck
> at 1466MHz.
>

Thanks for the great reply Paul, very useful. I think, as you
suggested that the easiest way round this is to buy some new memory
which I will do in time. The old stuff was brought over from a
previous build anyway so I knew it had a limited shelf life.

Thanks,

Paul.