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Anonymous
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August 12, 2004 8:47:06 PM

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Hi

It's allowed to run the Zalman CNPS7000A-AlC w/o fan mate 1 connected?
Or will the fan to be damaged, because the max. output from the fan mate is
11V but is the fan a 12 V model?

TIA
p
August 12, 2004 8:47:07 PM

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In article <2o1ef6F5rljuU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Wagner"
<NG.Basket.PeeWaa@xoxy.net> wrote:

> Hi
>
> It's allowed to run the Zalman CNPS7000A-AlC w/o fan mate 1 connected?
> Or will the fan to be damaged, because the max. output from the fan mate is
> 11V but is the fan a 12 V model?
>
> TIA
> p

I run mine direct from the CPU header, so it runs at 12V. I keep
Q-fan disabled.

In the manual for the "B" version, it says:

http://zalman.co.kr/Upload/product/CNPS7000B_eng.PDF

"Fan speed of 2500 RPM can be obtained by directly connecting 3 pin
fan connector to motherboard. (Without Fan Controller)"

HTH,
Paul
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 12, 2004 9:49:43 PM

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"Peter Wagner" <vba@directbox.com> wrote in message
news:2o1ef6F5rljuU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi
>
> It's allowed to run the Zalman CNPS7000A-AlC w/o fan mate 1 connected?
> Or will the fan to be damaged, because the max. output from the fan mate
is
> 11V but is the fan a 12 V model?
>
> TIA
> p
Shouldn't be a problem at all. I have nearly the same cooler (except mine
being the copper one) and didn't even bother installing the fan mate. Like
Driekes stated you won't be able to control the fan speed but if it's
important to you, depending on what type of MB you have you can use q-fan or
some other setting in the bios to control fan speed.
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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 12, 2004 10:44:04 PM

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I think it is no problem but you cannot adjust te fan speed anymore and that
what is al about. Low fan speed > Low noise...


"Peter Wagner" <vba@directbox.com> schreef in bericht
news:2o1ef6F5rljuU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi
>
> It's allowed to run the Zalman CNPS7000A-AlC w/o fan mate 1 connected?
> Or will the fan to be damaged, because the max. output from the fan mate
is
> 11V but is the fan a 12 V model?
>
> TIA
> p
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 13, 2004 3:12:19 AM

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ftran999 wrote:
> "Peter Wagner" <vba@directbox.com> wrote in message
> news:2o1ef6F5rljuU1@uni-berlin.de...

Thanks for your answer.

> Shouldn't be a problem at all. I have nearly the same cooler (except
> mine being the copper one) and didn't even bother installing the fan
> mate. Like Driekes stated you won't be able to control the fan speed
> but if it's important to you, depending on what type of MB you have
> you can use q-fan or some other setting in the bios to control fan
> speed.

Yes, I've q-fan as BIOS option.
I'll try it to see how quiet it's with q-fan.

p
Anonymous
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August 13, 2004 3:13:19 AM

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Driekes wrote:
> I think it is no problem but you cannot adjust te fan speed anymore
> and that what is al about. Low fan speed > Low noise...

I'll try the BIOS possibility q-fan.

p
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 13, 2004 3:23:54 AM

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Paul wrote:

Thank your for your answer.

>
> I run mine direct from the CPU header, so it runs at 12V. I keep
> Q-fan disabled.

I'll try how Q-fan works w/o fan mate 1.
Fan mate 1 annihilates only power (a heater), Q-fan is probably more
'intelligent'.

>
> In the manual for the "B" version, it says:
>
> http://zalman.co.kr/Upload/product/CNPS7000B_eng.PDF
>
> "Fan speed of 2500 RPM can be obtained by directly connecting 3 pin
> fan connector to motherboard. (Without Fan Controller)"

Thanks for the link.
I hope the fan motor is the same as in the A version.

>
> HTH,
> Paul

p
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 13, 2004 4:24:04 PM

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Peter Wagner wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>

>
> I'll try how Q-fan works w/o fan mate 1.
> Fan mate 1 annihilates only power (a heater), Q-fan is probably more
> 'intelligent'.

It isn't. :-(
The minimal RPM with Q-fan is about 2150 RPM and at higher temperatures the
RPM won't go faster. :-(
I've reinstalled the fan mate 1 and adjusted to about 1600 RPM.

>
>>
>> In the manual for the "B" version, it says:
>>
>> http://zalman.co.kr/Upload/product/CNPS7000B_eng.PDF
>>
>> "Fan speed of 2500 RPM can be obtained by directly connecting 3 pin
>> fan connector to motherboard. (Without Fan Controller)"
>

Yes, it works.
No damage.

>
>>
>> HTH,
>> Paul
>

p
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 14, 2004 2:10:47 AM

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> > I'll try how Q-fan works w/o fan mate 1.
> > Fan mate 1 annihilates only power (a heater), Q-fan is probably more
> > 'intelligent'.
>
> It isn't. :-(
> The minimal RPM with Q-fan is about 2150 RPM and at higher temperatures
the
> RPM won't go faster. :-(
> I've reinstalled the fan mate 1 and adjusted to about 1600 RPM.

The graph on the Asus site (don't recall the URL) showed that the QFan
didn't even kick in until the CPU hit 60'C! That's a bit much for me. I'd
rather it kick in a lot lower and ramp up more gradually.

Qfan set at 11/16 and using the FanMate at low the CPU is currently at 33'C
(case 32'C) at 1500rpm. CPU is 2.6Ghz (800) clocked just over 3.1Ghz.

.... time let Hoyle idle for a while and see how hot it gets.
Anonymous
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August 14, 2004 2:33:23 AM

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> The graph on the Asus site (don't recall the URL) showed that the QFan
> didn't even kick in until the CPU hit 60'C! That's a bit much for me. I'd
> rather it kick in a lot lower and ramp up more gradually.
>
> Qfan set at 11/16 and using the FanMate at low the CPU is currently at
33'C
> (case 32'C) at 1500rpm. CPU is 2.6Ghz (800) clocked just over 3.1Ghz.
>
> ... time let Hoyle idle for a while and see how hot it gets.

After 10 minutes CPU wouldn't go any hotter that 49'C with case at 33'C. Fan
RPM didn't vary at all. (actually it hovered around 1470rpm).

I find that my PC and the wifes PC will crash once we get around 52'C, but
none of my apps push the computer that hard. CPU is down to 38'C within 60
seconds of closing Hoyle.
August 14, 2004 4:04:45 AM

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In article <H%aTc.100797$gE.60216@pd7tw3no>, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:

> > > I'll try how Q-fan works w/o fan mate 1.
> > > Fan mate 1 annihilates only power (a heater), Q-fan is probably more
> > > 'intelligent'.
> >
> > It isn't. :-(
> > The minimal RPM with Q-fan is about 2150 RPM and at higher temperatures
> the
> > RPM won't go faster. :-(
> > I've reinstalled the fan mate 1 and adjusted to about 1600 RPM.
>
> The graph on the Asus site (don't recall the URL) showed that the QFan
> didn't even kick in until the CPU hit 60'C! That's a bit much for me. I'd
> rather it kick in a lot lower and ramp up more gradually.
>
> Qfan set at 11/16 and using the FanMate at low the CPU is currently at 33'C
> (case 32'C) at 1500rpm. CPU is 2.6Ghz (800) clocked just over 3.1Ghz.
>
> ... time let Hoyle idle for a while and see how hot it gets.

The web page for Qfan is here:
http://www.asus.com/mb/qfan.htm

Paul
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 14, 2004 5:44:35 PM

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http://nl.asus.com/products/mb/feature.htm

Should it be possible to enable Q-fan on the P4P800S SE? Or is it hardware
that is missing on that board?


"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> schreef in bericht
news:nospam-1408040005290001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <H%aTc.100797$gE.60216@pd7tw3no>, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here>
wrote:
>
> > > > I'll try how Q-fan works w/o fan mate 1.
> > > > Fan mate 1 annihilates only power (a heater), Q-fan is probably more
> > > > 'intelligent'.
> > >
> > > It isn't. :-(
> > > The minimal RPM with Q-fan is about 2150 RPM and at higher
temperatures
> > the
> > > RPM won't go faster. :-(
> > > I've reinstalled the fan mate 1 and adjusted to about 1600 RPM.
> >
> > The graph on the Asus site (don't recall the URL) showed that the QFan
> > didn't even kick in until the CPU hit 60'C! That's a bit much for me.
I'd
> > rather it kick in a lot lower and ramp up more gradually.
> >
> > Qfan set at 11/16 and using the FanMate at low the CPU is currently at
33'C
> > (case 32'C) at 1500rpm. CPU is 2.6Ghz (800) clocked just over 3.1Ghz.
> >
> > ... time let Hoyle idle for a while and see how hot it gets.
>
> The web page for Qfan is here:
> http://www.asus.com/mb/qfan.htm
>
> Paul
August 15, 2004 9:24:57 AM

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In article <411dfb2c$0$14941$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, "Driekes"
<biker_driekes@hotmail.com> wrote:

> http://nl.asus.com/products/mb/feature.htm
>
> Should it be possible to enable Q-fan on the P4P800S SE? Or is it hardware
> that is missing on that board?
>

In the manual I have here, the Winbond 83627THF is there, and it
has three 5V analog type fan control channels. But if you look near
the CPU fan header, there is no big transistor or MOSFET to
control the fan, so the necessary control device is missing.
(Unless the transistors are hidden in a non-standard place...)

You could play with this program, but don't expect a miracle
if there are no transistors on the board to drive the fans :-)
The program might pretend to adjust the fans, but if the speed
doesn't change, then you will know the transistors are missing.

http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
http://www.almico.com/forumindex.php (chip list)

HTH,
Paul

>
> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> schreef in bericht
> news:nospam-1408040005290001@192.168.1.177...
> > In article <H%aTc.100797$gE.60216@pd7tw3no>, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > I'll try how Q-fan works w/o fan mate 1.
> > > > > Fan mate 1 annihilates only power (a heater), Q-fan is probably more
> > > > > 'intelligent'.
> > > >
> > > > It isn't. :-(
> > > > The minimal RPM with Q-fan is about 2150 RPM and at higher
> temperatures
> > > the
> > > > RPM won't go faster. :-(
> > > > I've reinstalled the fan mate 1 and adjusted to about 1600 RPM.
> > >
> > > The graph on the Asus site (don't recall the URL) showed that the QFan
> > > didn't even kick in until the CPU hit 60'C! That's a bit much for me.
> I'd
> > > rather it kick in a lot lower and ramp up more gradually.
> > >
> > > Qfan set at 11/16 and using the FanMate at low the CPU is currently at
> 33'C
> > > (case 32'C) at 1500rpm. CPU is 2.6Ghz (800) clocked just over 3.1Ghz.
> > >
> > > ... time let Hoyle idle for a while and see how hot it gets.
> >
> > The web page for Qfan is here:
> > http://www.asus.com/mb/qfan.htm
> >
> > Paul
August 15, 2004 3:56:56 PM

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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 05:24:57 -0400, nospam@needed.com (Paul) wrote:

> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

How to download?
Download does not work!
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2004 5:07:49 PM

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http://www.almico.com/speedfan414.exe

"Ken" <___ken3@telia.com> wrote in message
news:0qcuh05kijbsgc05ug2kqgn52gm6oi9tsl@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 05:24:57 -0400, nospam@needed.com (Paul) wrote:
>
> > http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
>
> How to download?
> Download does not work!
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2004 7:40:17 PM

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I also was thinking about the hardware that is missing. To bad... About the
program, I installed it on my A7N8X-X board (2700+, stock cooler) and the
cpu temp was rising right away (to very temps above 56 degree c). I heard no
noise reduction so I removed it.

I don't understand why Asus doesn't support it to al boards. I saw in
AsusWorld magazine that only the newest boards (and fully equiped boards)
support Q-Fan2. Also the chassis fan is controlled. I bit late I think, all
the Compaq/hp machine's (even the Presarios) are supporting that for a year
or longer... And yes, there is an Asus or MSI (%$*$$$) board is installed.

"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> schreef in bericht
news:nospam-1508040525430001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <411dfb2c$0$14941$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, "Driekes"
> <biker_driekes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > http://nl.asus.com/products/mb/feature.htm
> >
> > Should it be possible to enable Q-fan on the P4P800S SE? Or is it
hardware
> > that is missing on that board?
> >
>
> In the manual I have here, the Winbond 83627THF is there, and it
> has three 5V analog type fan control channels. But if you look near
> the CPU fan header, there is no big transistor or MOSFET to
> control the fan, so the necessary control device is missing.
> (Unless the transistors are hidden in a non-standard place...)
>
> You could play with this program, but don't expect a miracle
> if there are no transistors on the board to drive the fans :-)
> The program might pretend to adjust the fans, but if the speed
> doesn't change, then you will know the transistors are missing.
>
> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> http://www.almico.com/forumindex.php (chip list)
>
> HTH,
> Paul
>
> >
> > "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:nospam-1408040005290001@192.168.1.177...
> > > In article <H%aTc.100797$gE.60216@pd7tw3no>, "Noozer"
<dontspam@me.here>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > I'll try how Q-fan works w/o fan mate 1.
> > > > > > Fan mate 1 annihilates only power (a heater), Q-fan is probably
more
> > > > > > 'intelligent'.
> > > > >
> > > > > It isn't. :-(
> > > > > The minimal RPM with Q-fan is about 2150 RPM and at higher
> > temperatures
> > > > the
> > > > > RPM won't go faster. :-(
> > > > > I've reinstalled the fan mate 1 and adjusted to about 1600 RPM.
> > > >
> > > > The graph on the Asus site (don't recall the URL) showed that the
QFan
> > > > didn't even kick in until the CPU hit 60'C! That's a bit much for
me.
> > I'd
> > > > rather it kick in a lot lower and ramp up more gradually.
> > > >
> > > > Qfan set at 11/16 and using the FanMate at low the CPU is currently
at
> > 33'C
> > > > (case 32'C) at 1500rpm. CPU is 2.6Ghz (800) clocked just over
3.1Ghz.
> > > >
> > > > ... time let Hoyle idle for a while and see how hot it gets.
> > >
> > > The web page for Qfan is here:
> > > http://www.asus.com/mb/qfan.htm
> > >
> > > Paul
August 15, 2004 9:06:11 PM

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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:47:55 +0200, Ken <___ken3@telia.com> wrote:

> >>> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> >>
> >> How to download?
> >> Download does not work!
> >
> > http://www.almico.com/speedfan414.exe
>
> Not that one either.
> Makes me directed to the main page
> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> It must be something wrong.

Now I get the file via the "save target" function in my browser.
August 15, 2004 9:12:35 PM

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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:47:55 +0200, Ken <___ken3@telia.com> wrote:

> >>> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> >>
> >> How to download?
> >> Download does not work!
> >
> > http://www.almico.com/speedfan414.exe
>
> Not that one either.
> Makes me directed to the main page
> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> It must be something wrong.

Now I get the file via the "save target" function in my browser.
But that EXE file does not working!
August 18, 2004 9:14:39 AM

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In article <savuh054aqlqp3up35ci27tts2hte8dnk4@4ax.com>, Ken
<___ken3@telia.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:47:55 +0200, Ken <___ken3@telia.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> > >>
> > >> How to download?
> > >> Download does not work!
> > >
> > > http://www.almico.com/speedfan414.exe
> >
> > Not that one either.
> > Makes me directed to the main page
> > http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> > It must be something wrong.
>
> Now I get the file via the "save target" function in my browser.
> But that EXE file does not working!
>

Did you see the note near the bottom of the speedfan.php page ?

"The latest version is SpeedFan 4.14

NOTE: Some download accelerators may fail downloading. Try
without them. NOTE: Norton Internet Security blocks the
REFERER field. Download won't work without the proper REFERER
field."

So, apparently the author knows about the problem.

When I tried, I got a 1,437,117 byte file for 4.14.

Here is a mirror site:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download337.html
The file from files1.majorgeeks.com was 1,437,117 bytes and
has the same checksum as the one from alnico.com .

HTH,
Paul
August 19, 2004 1:15:49 AM

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:14:39 -0400, nospam@needed.com (Paul) wrote:

> Did you see the note near the bottom of the speedfan.php page ?
>
> "The latest version is SpeedFan 4.14
>
> NOTE: Some download accelerators may fail downloading. Try
> without them. NOTE: Norton Internet Security blocks the
> REFERER field. Download won't work without the proper REFERER
> field."
>
> So, apparently the author knows about the problem.
>
> When I tried, I got a 1,437,117 byte file for 4.14.
>
> Here is a mirror site:
>
> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download337.html
> The file from files1.majorgeeks.com was 1,437,117 bytes
> and has the same checksum as the one from alnico.com .
>
> HTH,
> Paul

Thanks, that one works.
I dont't use any "download accelerators" or other "things".
SpeedFan 4.14 is now running.
!