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P4P800-E Deluxe, Windows XP Home.

From the time I click "Start>Turn Off Computer>Turn Off" until the power
goes off is about 30-35 seconds. That seems longer than it was before
installing SP2. Has anyone else noticed that?

The first part of shutdown goes very fast -- Logging off and Saving
Settings -- but then the system almost seems to hang on Windows Shutting
Down...

Does 35 seconds seem like it's longer than it should be?

Thank you.

John

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:54:09 -0700, "John Blaustein"
<nomail@nomail.com> wrote:

>P4P800-E Deluxe, Windows XP Home.
>
>From the time I click "Start>Turn Off Computer>Turn Off" until the power
>goes off is about 30-35 seconds. That seems longer than it was before
>installing SP2. Has anyone else noticed that?
>
>The first part of shutdown goes very fast -- Logging off and Saving
>Settings -- but then the system almost seems to hang on Windows Shutting
>Down...
>
>Does 35 seconds seem like it's longer than it should be?
>
>Thank you.
>
>John
>
>
Yes, your observed shutdown time does seem longer than it should be.
After my SP2 upgrade I noticed that it takes a few seconds longer to
start up (used to be 2 sweeps of the animated bar on the logo screen,
now it is 4 sweeps) but the shutdown was not affected at all. My
P4C800-E Deluxe shuts down in under 15 seconds (generally around 10
seconds) without any issues. I would check to see what services are
running, and what background applications are active, and try
disabling or shutting down one at a time to see if you can isolate the
one that is causing the delay. Is there any disk activity during the
pause?

Regards,

Ender

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

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if you install many programms on your pc the system slows down.
the same with sp2 (250 mb of code). this are many "addons" for windos
and windos has to terminate more programms befor shotdown. this takes
longer time.

Max O.

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Ender,

Thanks for your reply. (And Max O.)

During the long pause, I hear my second HD stopping. Otherwise, no
excessive disk activity.

I have a couple of services that are always running. One is SpamInspector
(e-mail spam scanner that is set up as a proxy mail client, or something
like that). I will try stopping that and a couple of other apps before
shutting down and see if that isolates the problem.

John


"Ender" <enderwiggin3rd@SBhotmail.com> wrote in message
news62vi018hjeppne9e0mgba8d5b1hjn6fsh@4ax.com...
<snip>
> Yes, your observed shutdown time does seem longer than it should be.
> After my SP2 upgrade I noticed that it takes a few seconds longer to
> start up (used to be 2 sweeps of the animated bar on the logo screen,
> now it is 4 sweeps) but the shutdown was not affected at all. My
> P4C800-E Deluxe shuts down in under 15 seconds (generally around 10
> seconds) without any issues. I would check to see what services are
> running, and what background applications are active, and try
> disabling or shutting down one at a time to see if you can isolate the
> one that is causing the delay. Is there any disk activity during the
> pause?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ender
>
> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> nothing." Edmund Burke

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I tried disabling everything I could in Task Mgr, but shutdown still takes
about 30 seconds. At first, I thought it might be AVG Free Edition
AntiVirus, but that wasn't it.

I can live with 30 seconds...

John



"John Blaustein" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:zMOdnSXNG58MC7LcRVn-jQ@lmi.net...
> Ender,
>
> Thanks for your reply. (And Max O.)
>
> During the long pause, I hear my second HD stopping. Otherwise, no
> excessive disk activity.
>
> I have a couple of services that are always running. One is SpamInspector
> (e-mail spam scanner that is set up as a proxy mail client, or something
> like that). I will try stopping that and a couple of other apps before
> shutting down and see if that isolates the problem.
>
> John
>
>
> "Ender" <enderwiggin3rd@SBhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news62vi018hjeppne9e0mgba8d5b1hjn6fsh@4ax.com...
> <snip>
>> Yes, your observed shutdown time does seem longer than it should be.
>> After my SP2 upgrade I noticed that it takes a few seconds longer to
>> start up (used to be 2 sweeps of the animated bar on the logo screen,
>> now it is 4 sweeps) but the shutdown was not affected at all. My
>> P4C800-E Deluxe shuts down in under 15 seconds (generally around 10
>> seconds) without any issues. I would check to see what services are
>> running, and what background applications are active, and try
>> disabling or shutting down one at a time to see if you can isolate the
>> one that is causing the delay. Is there any disk activity during the
>> pause?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ender
>>
>> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
>> nothing." Edmund Burke
>
>

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:54:09 -0700, "John Blaustein" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote:

> P4P800-E Deluxe, Windows XP Home.
>
> From the time I click "Start>Turn Off Computer>Turn Off" until the power
> goes off is about 30-35 seconds. That seems longer than it was before
> installing SP2. Has anyone else noticed that?
>
> The first part of shutdown goes very fast -- Logging off and Saving
> Settings -- but then the system almost seems to hang on Windows Shutting
> Down...
>
> Does 35 seconds seem like it's longer than it should be?

I have found both startup and shutdown to be slower under SP2.

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>> Ender,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply. (And Max O.)
>>
>> During the long pause, I hear my second HD stopping. Otherwise, no
>> excessive disk activity.
>>
>> I have a couple of services that are always running. One is SpamInspector
>> (e-mail spam scanner that is set up as a proxy mail client, or something
>> like that). I will try stopping that and a couple of other apps before
>> shutting down and see if that isolates the problem.
>>
>> John

Well, after thinking about things a little bit, I began to wonder why
my startup was taking a few seconds longer, so I went into the bios
and found that 32bit transfers had been disabled on my boot drive!

This is very curious, since it was enabled before I installed XP SP2!
At any rate, I re-enabled it, and my boot time is now back to 2 sweeps
of the loading bar again. That is very strange indeed...

In looking for any threads regarding XP shutdown delays I found one
thread in the ABXZone forum that was interesting. There may be
something there that might help. One post indicates that the issue in
one situation was a service that was slow to terminate. There is a
way to change the default time XP will wait for a service (20 seconds)
by changing a value in the registry: This could be a promising remedy
to work with. I would suggest doing a system restore point before
doing any registry editing of this type:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/increa [...] _close.htm

Two other interesting links to look at:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/show [...] down+delay
http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

Good luck!

Ender

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

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Ender,

I will look at the links you provided. Thanks.

I compared the shutdown times on my three machines:

ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe: 30-35 seconds
ASUS CUV4X-E -- PIII/1Ghz: 17 seconds
Dell laptop -- PIII: 15 seconds

All have XP Home, SP2.

I've tried shutting down the P4P800-E Deluxe system with everything disabled
in Task Mgr that I can disable, but still it's about 30 seconds. I have a
wireless Logitech mouse, and I thought that might be an issue, but I
disabled the mouse software and that didn't change a thing.

I just looked at the BIOS for the P4P800-E Deluxe system and 32bit data
transfer was DISABLED for both my WD SATA (C:, boot) and WD IDE (D drives!
I enabled 32bit data transfer, but that didn't help the shutdown time --
maybe it's a couple of seconds shorter. Do you think SP2 disabled the 32bit
setting? I don't know how it was set before I installed SP2. Since you
mentioned 32 bit data transfer, I assume that it SHOULD be set to enabled.

John




"Ender" <enderwiggin3rd@SBhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qebvi0p5vi7qo319kcfh63nq7tql01iq4j@4ax.com...
>>> Ender,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply. (And Max O.)
>>>
>>> During the long pause, I hear my second HD stopping. Otherwise, no
>>> excessive disk activity.
>>>
>>> I have a couple of services that are always running. One is
>>> SpamInspector
>>> (e-mail spam scanner that is set up as a proxy mail client, or something
>>> like that). I will try stopping that and a couple of other apps before
>>> shutting down and see if that isolates the problem.
>>>
>>> John
>
> Well, after thinking about things a little bit, I began to wonder why
> my startup was taking a few seconds longer, so I went into the bios
> and found that 32bit transfers had been disabled on my boot drive!
>
> This is very curious, since it was enabled before I installed XP SP2!
> At any rate, I re-enabled it, and my boot time is now back to 2 sweeps
> of the loading bar again. That is very strange indeed...
>
> In looking for any threads regarding XP shutdown delays I found one
> thread in the ABXZone forum that was interesting. There may be
> something there that might help. One post indicates that the issue in
> one situation was a service that was slow to terminate. There is a
> way to change the default time XP will wait for a service (20 seconds)
> by changing a value in the registry: This could be a promising remedy
> to work with. I would suggest doing a system restore point before
> doing any registry editing of this type:
>
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/increa [...] _close.htm
>
> Two other interesting links to look at:
> http://www.abxzone.com/forums/show [...] down+delay
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php
>
> Good luck!
>
> Ender
>
> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> nothing." Edmund Burke

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> I just looked at the BIOS for the P4P800-E Deluxe system and 32bit data
> transfer was DISABLED for both my WD SATA (C:, boot) and WD IDE (D
drives!
> I enabled 32bit data transfer, but that didn't help the shutdown time --
> maybe it's a couple of seconds shorter. Do you think SP2 disabled the
32bit
> setting? I don't know how it was set before I installed SP2. Since you
> mentioned 32 bit data transfer, I assume that it SHOULD be set to enabled.

It wasn't SP2... The BIOS disables this by default. I always enable it, but
I don't think that Windows or the IDE drivers take any notice of this
setting.

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Hi,

Did you try disabling Windows Update?
Someone said it "calls home" when shutting down to see if there are any
reboot required patches to install.... I disabled it on mine (and run WU
occasionaly manually) and things are back to nermal.

- Tim


"John Blaustein" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:vd2dnU1PENPIKLLcRVn-oA@lmi.net...
> Ender,
>
> I will look at the links you provided. Thanks.
>
> I compared the shutdown times on my three machines:
>
> ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe: 30-35 seconds
> ASUS CUV4X-E -- PIII/1Ghz: 17 seconds
> Dell laptop -- PIII: 15 seconds
>
> All have XP Home, SP2.
>
> I've tried shutting down the P4P800-E Deluxe system with everything
> disabled in Task Mgr that I can disable, but still it's about 30 seconds.
> I have a wireless Logitech mouse, and I thought that might be an issue,
> but I disabled the mouse software and that didn't change a thing.
>
> I just looked at the BIOS for the P4P800-E Deluxe system and 32bit data
> transfer was DISABLED for both my WD SATA (C:, boot) and WD IDE (D
> drives! I enabled 32bit data transfer, but that didn't help the shutdown
> time -- maybe it's a couple of seconds shorter. Do you think SP2
> disabled the 32bit setting? I don't know how it was set before I
> installed SP2. Since you mentioned 32 bit data transfer, I assume that it
> SHOULD be set to enabled.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> "Ender" <enderwiggin3rd@SBhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qebvi0p5vi7qo319kcfh63nq7tql01iq4j@4ax.com...
>>>> Ender,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reply. (And Max O.)
>>>>
>>>> During the long pause, I hear my second HD stopping. Otherwise, no
>>>> excessive disk activity.
>>>>
>>>> I have a couple of services that are always running. One is
>>>> SpamInspector
>>>> (e-mail spam scanner that is set up as a proxy mail client, or
>>>> something
>>>> like that). I will try stopping that and a couple of other apps before
>>>> shutting down and see if that isolates the problem.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>
>> Well, after thinking about things a little bit, I began to wonder why
>> my startup was taking a few seconds longer, so I went into the bios
>> and found that 32bit transfers had been disabled on my boot drive!
>>
>> This is very curious, since it was enabled before I installed XP SP2!
>> At any rate, I re-enabled it, and my boot time is now back to 2 sweeps
>> of the loading bar again. That is very strange indeed...
>>
>> In looking for any threads regarding XP shutdown delays I found one
>> thread in the ABXZone forum that was interesting. There may be
>> something there that might help. One post indicates that the issue in
>> one situation was a service that was slow to terminate. There is a
>> way to change the default time XP will wait for a service (20 seconds)
>> by changing a value in the registry: This could be a promising remedy
>> to work with. I would suggest doing a system restore point before
>> doing any registry editing of this type:
>>
>> http://www.theeldergeek.com/increa [...] _close.htm
>>
>> Two other interesting links to look at:
>> http://www.abxzone.com/forums/show [...] down+delay
>> http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Ender
>>
>> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
>> nothing." Edmund Burke
>
>
>

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Noozer...

The system seems to be running just fine with 32 bit enabled, so I'll leave
it that way.


Tim...

Get this... I disabled WU and now the system takes 45 seconds to shutdown.
Go figure!


Ender,

I tried the reg tweak:
[Start] [Run] [Regedit]
Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control
Modify/Create the Value Name [WaitToKillServiceTimeout] according to the
Value Data listed below.
Data Type: REG_SZ [String Value] // Value Name: WaitToKillServiceTimeout
Value Data: [Default = 20,000 (expressed in milliseconds) Modify to
preference.]
Exit Registry and Reboot

I set it to 10000. It made no difference.

Other than taking a bit too long to shutdown, everything is fine. I guess I
live with this.

John




"Tim" <Tim@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:cgojfk$il9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> Hi,
>
> Did you try disabling Windows Update?
> Someone said it "calls home" when shutting down to see if there are any
> reboot required patches to install.... I disabled it on mine (and run WU
> occasionaly manually) and things are back to nermal.
>
> - Tim
>
>
> "John Blaustein" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:vd2dnU1PENPIKLLcRVn-oA@lmi.net...
>> Ender,
>>
>> I will look at the links you provided. Thanks.
>>
>> I compared the shutdown times on my three machines:
>>
>> ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe: 30-35 seconds
>> ASUS CUV4X-E -- PIII/1Ghz: 17 seconds
>> Dell laptop -- PIII: 15 seconds
>>
>> All have XP Home, SP2.
>>
>> I've tried shutting down the P4P800-E Deluxe system with everything
>> disabled in Task Mgr that I can disable, but still it's about 30 seconds.
>> I have a wireless Logitech mouse, and I thought that might be an issue,
>> but I disabled the mouse software and that didn't change a thing.
>>
>> I just looked at the BIOS for the P4P800-E Deluxe system and 32bit data
>> transfer was DISABLED for both my WD SATA (C:, boot) and WD IDE (D
>> drives! I enabled 32bit data transfer, but that didn't help the shutdown
>> time -- maybe it's a couple of seconds shorter. Do you think SP2
>> disabled the 32bit setting? I don't know how it was set before I
>> installed SP2. Since you mentioned 32 bit data transfer, I assume that
>> it SHOULD be set to enabled.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ender" <enderwiggin3rd@SBhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:qebvi0p5vi7qo319kcfh63nq7tql01iq4j@4ax.com...
>>>>> Ender,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your reply. (And Max O.)
>>>>>
>>>>> During the long pause, I hear my second HD stopping. Otherwise, no
>>>>> excessive disk activity.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a couple of services that are always running. One is
>>>>> SpamInspector
>>>>> (e-mail spam scanner that is set up as a proxy mail client, or
>>>>> something
>>>>> like that). I will try stopping that and a couple of other apps
>>>>> before
>>>>> shutting down and see if that isolates the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>
>>> Well, after thinking about things a little bit, I began to wonder why
>>> my startup was taking a few seconds longer, so I went into the bios
>>> and found that 32bit transfers had been disabled on my boot drive!
>>>
>>> This is very curious, since it was enabled before I installed XP SP2!
>>> At any rate, I re-enabled it, and my boot time is now back to 2 sweeps
>>> of the loading bar again. That is very strange indeed...
>>>
>>> In looking for any threads regarding XP shutdown delays I found one
>>> thread in the ABXZone forum that was interesting. There may be
>>> something there that might help. One post indicates that the issue in
>>> one situation was a service that was slow to terminate. There is a
>>> way to change the default time XP will wait for a service (20 seconds)
>>> by changing a value in the registry: This could be a promising remedy
>>> to work with. I would suggest doing a system restore point before
>>> doing any registry editing of this type:
>>>
>>> http://www.theeldergeek.com/increa [...] _close.htm
>>>
>>> Two other interesting links to look at:
>>> http://www.abxzone.com/forums/show [...] down+delay
>>> http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Ender
>>>
>>> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
>>> nothing." Edmund Burke
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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>It wasn't SP2... The BIOS disables this by default. I always enable it, but
>I don't think that Windows or the IDE drivers take any notice of this
>setting.

It is a mystery to me. When I first set my system up, I took shots of
the bios screens with my digital camera (I always do that as a
reference point for each system). I definitely enabled 32 bit
transfer for my SATA boot drive (WD 74g Raptor), and my D: and E:
drives (WD800JB 8 meg cache). I have no idea how or why or it
defaulted back to "Disabled" for the boot drive. As far as I know,
windows cannot make changes to the bios by itself! The D: and E:
drives were still enabled. Enabling 32-bit transfers definitely makes
a difference in boot time, but I suspect you are right when eveything
is handed over to the OS. I know for a fact that my boot time changed
immediately after installing SP2, as I noticed the change from 2 to 4
sweeps of the the logo bar during the OS load. I assumed it was a by
product of additional services running. In any event, now that it is
enabled again, I am back to 2 sweeps of the logo bar again, so... I am
happy again.

Incidentally, the information about automatic updates calling home is
an excellent point to look at. I disabled automatic updates, task
scheduler, and the entire security center on my P4C800-E Dlx after my
upgrade to SP2 as I have my own inbound/outboud firewall, and AV, and
I do manual updates every couple of days. I have no change in
shutdown time.

Regards,

Ender


"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke