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October 11, 2004 2:46:54 AM

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Hello

A few days ago i bought a new PC with the following components:

Asus P5GD1 mainboard
400 Watt powersupply
P4 550 3.4 Ghz With HT
4x 512MB Corsair DDR2 PC3200 memory
200 GB Western Digital SATA HD
160 GB Western Digital ATA IDE HD
120 GB Seagate ATA IDE HD
Asus DVD writer (Double layer)
Aopen DVD drive
128 MB Asus XT 600 PCI express videocard
2 extra fans


The speed of this machine is not what I've been expected.
Next to this machine I have a P4 2.6Ghz (no hypertrading) and
768 Ram.
The speed of the new machine is not as fast as the old one: it takes 35
seconds to boot Windows XP Professional (after the POST)
Booting on the old machine takes about 20 seconds (Win XP home).
On the two computers are the same programs, exept the OS.


My question is: what's wrong with this computer???

I hope to hear from you soon,


kind regards from Holland,


Mark

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October 11, 2004 2:46:55 AM

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In article <41699fbc$0$568$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, "Markie"
<geen000001@hotmail.com.nl.tk> wrote:

> Hello
>
> A few days ago i bought a new PC with the following components:
>
> Asus P5GD1 mainboard
> 400 Watt powersupply
> P4 550 3.4 Ghz With HT
> 4x 512MB Corsair DDR2 PC3200 memory
> 200 GB Western Digital SATA HD
> 160 GB Western Digital ATA IDE HD
> 120 GB Seagate ATA IDE HD
> Asus DVD writer (Double layer)
> Aopen DVD drive
> 128 MB Asus XT 600 PCI express videocard
> 2 extra fans
>
>
> The speed of this machine is not what I've been expected.
> Next to this machine I have a P4 2.6Ghz (no hypertrading) and
> 768 Ram.
> The speed of the new machine is not as fast as the old one: it takes 35
> seconds to boot Windows XP Professional (after the POST)
> Booting on the old machine takes about 20 seconds (Win XP home).
> On the two computers are the same programs, exept the OS.
>
>
> My question is: what's wrong with this computer???
>
> I hope to hear from you soon,
>
>
> kind regards from Holland,
>
>
> Mark

I would question whether boot time is a good metric. Perhaps the
drives are not in DMA mode during the boot, and are being operated
in PIO mode. It would be pretty hard to debug the thing during the
boot interval, to find out the nature of the difference.

One thing you have to watch for with the new processors, is
thermally limited performance. There have been a couple of
reports of processors that are operating at 70C, and if that is
happening to you, the processor will enter thermal throttle mode.
This reduces the processing rate, and can make your new computer
slower than your old computer. I don't really understand why those
particular processors were running at an elevated temperature - one
thing that cannot be inspected, is whether there is thermal compound
between the processor die and the heat spreader on the top of the
processor.

So, benchmark the old computer while the OS is running, and
compare it to the same benchmark on the new computer. Super PI
(ftp://pi.super-computing.org/pub/) is one benchmark you can use.
3DMark (futuremark.com/download) is another. Select a version of
3DMark that lines up with the level of hardware DirectX support in
your video card. SiSoft Sandra is a third source of benchmarking.

For stability testing, there is memtest86+ from memtest.org (a
standalone bootable tool, from floppy or CD). There is also
Prime95, from mersenne.org, for testing that the processor and
the memory allow correct computing. I recently discovered I had
bad RAM by using Prime95, even though memtest86 passed the memory
as being good.

The Prime95 "Torture Test" allows a 100% load on the processor,
so is a way of validating the cooling system on the processor. If
launched from Linux, multiple copies of Prime95 can be run, and
by using two or more copies, you can even test Hyperthreading.
Install Asus Probe or get a copy of motherboard monitor (MBM5)
from mbm.livewiredev.com , to monitor temperatures. (For Linux,
I used xmbmon and it supported the motherboard I was testing.
It may not understand your new motherboard.) Since active
development of MBM5 has ceased, Asus Probe is more likely to work
correctly on a new motherboard. If you find the processor
temperature reaches 70C while running Prime95, then you
need to improve case cooling and processor cooling. Some people
use water cooling for hot processors, but I haven't looked
recently, to see if water blocks for LGA775 are available yet.
I see there are several third party heatsink/fans that have come
out, but none of them has impressed me yet (swifttech one looks
pretty ordinary, there is one which is a tower and too heavy and
big, and a third one looks to be no better than the Intel solution).

So, first evaluate whether the computer is operating correctly
and temperature remains below the thermal throttle threshold,
before doing any serious benchmarking.

Also note, that DDR2 PC3200 ram is slower than DDR PC3200 ram.
You need to use faster DDR2 ram, to match or exceed the performance
of DDR PC3200.

I haven't been keeping up with the 915/925 platform, and it is
possible Anandtech or Tomshardware has some info on the best way
to set up one of these boards, including the best kind of ram to
buy for them.

HTH,
Paul
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 11, 2004 3:19:25 AM

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Hi Markie,
The speed difference between the 2.6GHZ and the 3.4GHZ would not be noticed
unless you are running some CPU intensive applications. There also has been
talk on some of the ASUS Forums that using more than two memory slots slows
down performance. Try just using one pair of chips plugges correctly for
Dual Channel mode.
With all that hardware in your configuration I am surprised that you are
getting away with just a 400W power supply.

Rich
"Markie" <geen000001@hotmail.com.nl.tk> wrote in message
news:41699fbc$0$568$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Hello
>
> A few days ago i bought a new PC with the following components:
>
> Asus P5GD1 mainboard
> 400 Watt powersupply
> P4 550 3.4 Ghz With HT
> 4x 512MB Corsair DDR2 PC3200 memory
> 200 GB Western Digital SATA HD
> 160 GB Western Digital ATA IDE HD
> 120 GB Seagate ATA IDE HD
> Asus DVD writer (Double layer)
> Aopen DVD drive
> 128 MB Asus XT 600 PCI express videocard
> 2 extra fans
>
>
> The speed of this machine is not what I've been expected.
> Next to this machine I have a P4 2.6Ghz (no hypertrading) and
> 768 Ram.
> The speed of the new machine is not as fast as the old one: it takes 35
> seconds to boot Windows XP Professional (after the POST)
> Booting on the old machine takes about 20 seconds (Win XP home).
> On the two computers are the same programs, exept the OS.
>
>
> My question is: what's wrong with this computer???
>
> I hope to hear from you soon,
>
>
> kind regards from Holland,
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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October 11, 2004 11:43:29 AM

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Hello Rich,

How many watt's do you recommend for the powersupply?
Btw i have also a tv card and a v92 pci modem inside the computer

kind regards from Holland,


Mark


"Rich Elgin" <relgin@ameritech.net> schreef in bericht
news:1sjad.14409$PE2.8254@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> Hi Markie,
> The speed difference between the 2.6GHZ and the 3.4GHZ would not be
> noticed unless you are running some CPU intensive applications. There also
> has been talk on some of the ASUS Forums that using more than two memory
> slots slows down performance. Try just using one pair of chips plugges
> correctly for Dual Channel mode.
> With all that hardware in your configuration I am surprised that you are
> getting away with just a 400W power supply.
>
October 11, 2004 11:45:22 AM

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Hello Paul,

The temperature of the proccessor during operation is about 50 C.
The drives are already in DMA mode.


kind regards,


Mark



"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> schreef in bericht
news:nospam-1010041932280001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <41699fbc$0$568$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, "Markie"
> <geen000001@hotmail.com.nl.tk> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> A few days ago i bought a new PC with the following components:
>>
>> Asus P5GD1 mainboard
>> 400 Watt powersupply
>> P4 550 3.4 Ghz With HT
>> 4x 512MB Corsair DDR2 PC3200 memory
>> 200 GB Western Digital SATA HD
>> 160 GB Western Digital ATA IDE HD
>> 120 GB Seagate ATA IDE HD
>> Asus DVD writer (Double layer)
>> Aopen DVD drive
>> 128 MB Asus XT 600 PCI express videocard
>> 2 extra fans
>>
>>
>> The speed of this machine is not what I've been expected.
>> Next to this machine I have a P4 2.6Ghz (no hypertrading) and
>> 768 Ram.
>> The speed of the new machine is not as fast as the old one: it takes 35
>> seconds to boot Windows XP Professional (after the POST)
>> Booting on the old machine takes about 20 seconds (Win XP home).
>> On the two computers are the same programs, exept the OS.
>>
>>
>> My question is: what's wrong with this computer???
>>
>> I hope to hear from you soon,
>>
>>
>> kind regards from Holland,
>>
>>
>> Mark
>
> I would question whether boot time is a good metric. Perhaps the
> drives are not in DMA mode during the boot, and are being operated
> in PIO mode. It would be pretty hard to debug the thing during the
> boot interval, to find out the nature of the difference.
>
> One thing you have to watch for with the new processors, is
> thermally limited performance. There have been a couple of
> reports of processors that are operating at 70C, and if that is
> happening to you, the processor will enter thermal throttle mode.
> This reduces the processing rate, and can make your new computer
> slower than your old computer. I don't really understand why those
> particular processors were running at an elevated temperature - one
> thing that cannot be inspected, is whether there is thermal compound
> between the processor die and the heat spreader on the top of the
> processor.
>
> So, benchmark the old computer while the OS is running, and
> compare it to the same benchmark on the new computer. Super PI
> (ftp://pi.super-computing.org/pub/) is one benchmark you can use.
> 3DMark (futuremark.com/download) is another. Select a version of
> 3DMark that lines up with the level of hardware DirectX support in
> your video card. SiSoft Sandra is a third source of benchmarking.
>
> For stability testing, there is memtest86+ from memtest.org (a
> standalone bootable tool, from floppy or CD). There is also
> Prime95, from mersenne.org, for testing that the processor and
> the memory allow correct computing. I recently discovered I had
> bad RAM by using Prime95, even though memtest86 passed the memory
> as being good.
>
> The Prime95 "Torture Test" allows a 100% load on the processor,
> so is a way of validating the cooling system on the processor. If
> launched from Linux, multiple copies of Prime95 can be run, and
> by using two or more copies, you can even test Hyperthreading.
> Install Asus Probe or get a copy of motherboard monitor (MBM5)
> from mbm.livewiredev.com , to monitor temperatures. (For Linux,
> I used xmbmon and it supported the motherboard I was testing.
> It may not understand your new motherboard.) Since active
> development of MBM5 has ceased, Asus Probe is more likely to work
> correctly on a new motherboard. If you find the processor
> temperature reaches 70C while running Prime95, then you
> need to improve case cooling and processor cooling. Some people
> use water cooling for hot processors, but I haven't looked
> recently, to see if water blocks for LGA775 are available yet.
> I see there are several third party heatsink/fans that have come
> out, but none of them has impressed me yet (swifttech one looks
> pretty ordinary, there is one which is a tower and too heavy and
> big, and a third one looks to be no better than the Intel solution).
>
> So, first evaluate whether the computer is operating correctly
> and temperature remains below the thermal throttle threshold,
> before doing any serious benchmarking.
>
> Also note, that DDR2 PC3200 ram is slower than DDR PC3200 ram.
> You need to use faster DDR2 ram, to match or exceed the performance
> of DDR PC3200.
>
> I haven't been keeping up with the 915/925 platform, and it is
> possible Anandtech or Tomshardware has some info on the best way
> to set up one of these boards, including the best kind of ram to
> buy for them.
>
> HTH,
> Paul
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 11, 2004 5:33:52 PM

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I would recomend an ATX 12V 2.0 compliant PS with a 24 pin main power connector
and at least 450 watts or more. I use an Antec TRUE550 EPS12V
550 Watt EPS12V for my Asus P5AD2.


>Subject: Re: P5GD1, speed problems
>From: "Markie" geen000001@hotmail.com.nl.tk
>Date: 10/11/2004 1:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <416a1d7f$0$10528$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
>
>Hello Rich,
>
>How many watt's do you recommend for the powersupply?
>Btw i have also a tv card and a v92 pci modem inside the computer
>
>kind regards from Holland,
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>"Rich Elgin" <relgin@ameritech.net> schreef in bericht
>news:1sjad.14409$PE2.8254@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>> Hi Markie,
>> The speed difference between the 2.6GHZ and the 3.4GHZ would not be
>> noticed unless you are running some CPU intensive applications. There also
>> has been talk on some of the ASUS Forums that using more than two memory
>> slots slows down performance. Try just using one pair of chips plugges
>> correctly for Dual Channel mode.
>> With all that hardware in your configuration I am surprised that you are
>> getting away with just a 400W power supply.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
October 11, 2004 9:59:28 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

Thanks for all the answers!
I am going to buy a stronger powersupply!!



Greetz,


Mark


"Markie" <geen000001@hotmail.com.nl.tk> schreef in bericht
news:41699fbc$0$568$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Hello
>
> A few days ago i bought a new PC with the following components:
>
> Asus P5GD1 mainboard
> 400 Watt powersupply
> P4 550 3.4 Ghz With HT
> 4x 512MB Corsair DDR2 PC3200 memory
> 200 GB Western Digital SATA HD
> 160 GB Western Digital ATA IDE HD
> 120 GB Seagate ATA IDE HD
> Asus DVD writer (Double layer)
> Aopen DVD drive
> 128 MB Asus XT 600 PCI express videocard
> 2 extra fans
>
>
> The speed of this machine is not what I've been expected.
> Next to this machine I have a P4 2.6Ghz (no hypertrading) and
> 768 Ram.
> The speed of the new machine is not as fast as the old one: it takes 35
> seconds to boot Windows XP Professional (after the POST)
> Booting on the old machine takes about 20 seconds (Win XP home).
> On the two computers are the same programs, exept the OS.
>
>
> My question is: what's wrong with this computer???
>
> I hope to hear from you soon,
>
>
> kind regards from Holland,
>
>
> Mark
>
>
!