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a b V Motherboard
October 23, 2004 7:27:08 AM

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On my K8V SE DELUXE I have two USB headers one says USB78 and the other says
USB56. On the pin diagram the 78 has a P7 and P7+ pins, the 56 has a P5 and
P5+ can anyone tell me what the difference is?

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October 23, 2004 8:46:06 AM

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In article <89ednRqYXY93mufcRVn-jQ@rogers.com>, "Stringfelowhaulkie"
<string@felow.haulkie> wrote:

> On my K8V SE DELUXE I have two USB headers one says USB78 and the other says
> USB56. On the pin diagram the 78 has a P7 and P7+ pins, the 56 has a P5 and
> P5+ can anyone tell me what the difference is?

There are four wires on a USB interface. A 10 pin USB header contains
two interfaces. USB56 contains USB interface #5 and USB interface #6.
USB78 contains USB interface #7 and USB interface #8. That is a
total of four USB interfaces for the two headers.

On an individual USB interface, there are two wires for power,
and two wires for data. Power is +5V and Ground. The data wires
consist of a "plus" and a "minus" wire, implying they are
differential signals. Differential means the signals are the
opposite polarity of each other, and that scheme is used to
improve the ability to pass high speed signals. In other words,
even though there are two wires, the signals are "subtracted"
from one another, to make a single digital signal inside the chip.
At least, that is what the +/- differential convention implies.

To hook up a USB interface, all you need is to wire up four pins
on the header. You don't have to use all of them for it to work.

A natural question to ask would be:

Why do they insist on pairing two interfaces on a header like that ?

The answer is historical. At some point, when USB 1 was designed,
someone decided that a single instance of logic circuitry for USB
would be used to control two physical ports. That means that the
two ports in question, share a total of 12Mbits/sec between them.
With that pairing of two ports with one logic circuit, it means
for USB 1.0, ports were always added in pairs. So, it seems a
natural thing to do, to pair the associated interfaces on the
motherboard header. In other words, the two interfaces on the USB56
header, share the same logic block in the Southbridge. A different
logic block controls USB78. That holds true when the headers are
used at USB 1.0 rates. When the ports are used at USB 2.0 rates,
there is a separate logic block used to control all ports - one
60MB/sec logic block controls all the ports running at USB 2.0.
If the USB standard had started at USB 2.0 rates, and there was
no USB 1.0, then the interfaces on the motherboard would likely
have been a 1x4 header, rather than being paired.

If you are curious, the specs are here (or at least this is
where I got them a while ago):

http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usbspec.zip (USB 1)
http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20.zip (USB 2) 9MB!

HTH,
Paul
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 23, 2004 6:14:06 PM

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Thanks a TON! I had been wondering about that for awhile, as my new case
had individual single-wire connectors for each pin of the two front USB
ports, and the numbers didn't match up exactly with what's in the MB manual,
and so on.

I finally came to the realization that the 10-pin header was probably for
two ports, and wired it up accordingly. Now I can use the USB ports on my
front panel with confidence. :-)


"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-2310040446510001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <89ednRqYXY93mufcRVn-jQ@rogers.com>, "Stringfelowhaulkie"
> <string@felow.haulkie> wrote:
>
>> On my K8V SE DELUXE I have two USB headers one says USB78 and the other
>> says
>> USB56. On the pin diagram the 78 has a P7 and P7+ pins, the 56 has a P5
>> and
>> P5+ can anyone tell me what the difference is?
>
> There are four wires on a USB interface. A 10 pin USB header contains
> two interfaces. USB56 contains USB interface #5 and USB interface #6.
> USB78 contains USB interface #7 and USB interface #8. That is a
> total of four USB interfaces for the two headers.
>
> On an individual USB interface, there are two wires for power,
> and two wires for data. Power is +5V and Ground. The data wires
> consist of a "plus" and a "minus" wire, implying they are
> differential signals. Differential means the signals are the
> opposite polarity of each other, and that scheme is used to
> improve the ability to pass high speed signals. In other words,
> even though there are two wires, the signals are "subtracted"
> from one another, to make a single digital signal inside the chip.
> At least, that is what the +/- differential convention implies.
>
> To hook up a USB interface, all you need is to wire up four pins
> on the header. You don't have to use all of them for it to work.
>
> A natural question to ask would be:
>
> Why do they insist on pairing two interfaces on a header like that ?
>
> The answer is historical. At some point, when USB 1 was designed,
> someone decided that a single instance of logic circuitry for USB
> would be used to control two physical ports. That means that the
> two ports in question, share a total of 12Mbits/sec between them.
> With that pairing of two ports with one logic circuit, it means
> for USB 1.0, ports were always added in pairs. So, it seems a
> natural thing to do, to pair the associated interfaces on the
> motherboard header. In other words, the two interfaces on the USB56
> header, share the same logic block in the Southbridge. A different
> logic block controls USB78. That holds true when the headers are
> used at USB 1.0 rates. When the ports are used at USB 2.0 rates,
> there is a separate logic block used to control all ports - one
> 60MB/sec logic block controls all the ports running at USB 2.0.
> If the USB standard had started at USB 2.0 rates, and there was
> no USB 1.0, then the interfaces on the motherboard would likely
> have been a 1x4 header, rather than being paired.
>
> If you are curious, the specs are here (or at least this is
> where I got them a while ago):
>
> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usbspec.zip (USB 1)
> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20.zip (USB 2) 9MB!
>
> HTH,
> Paul
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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 23, 2004 9:54:31 PM

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In the manual for the K8N-E I have P5- and P5+, etc, etc.

The Px+/- are USB Data, just make sure you get the two the right way around.
I have found most of the USB header plugs are the right way around to start
with.

HTH

Bryon

"Stringfelowhaulkie" <string@felow.haulkie> wrote in message
news:89ednRqYXY93mufcRVn-jQ@rogers.com...
> On my K8V SE DELUXE I have two USB headers one says USB78 and the other
> says USB56. On the pin diagram the 78 has a P7 and P7+ pins, the 56 has a
> P5 and P5+ can anyone tell me what the difference is?
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 24, 2004 12:03:30 AM

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I have the same thing as you ocbwilg. Thanks Paul!

"ocbwilg" <ocbwilg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks a TON! I had been wondering about that for awhile, as my new case
> had individual single-wire connectors for each pin of the two front USB
> ports, and the numbers didn't match up exactly with what's in the MB
> manual, and so on.
>
> I finally came to the realization that the 10-pin header was probably for
> two ports, and wired it up accordingly. Now I can use the USB ports on my
> front panel with confidence. :-)
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 24, 2004 8:17:05 AM

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If you look in the Manual it will give you the pinouts for the headers
....Aloha
"Stringfelowhaulkie" <string@felow.haulkie> wrote in message
news:89ednRqYXY93mufcRVn-jQ@rogers.com...
> On my K8V SE DELUXE I have two USB headers one says USB78 and the other
> says USB56. On the pin diagram the 78 has a P7 and P7+ pins, the 56 has a
> P5 and P5+ can anyone tell me what the difference is?
>
!