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Blizzard Talks Titan, WoW Subs Loss to Star Wars: TOR

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March 21, 2012 6:01:03 AM

When Aeon came out, alot of people left then came back.
Warhammer, same.

They'll be back.
WoW will never let you go!
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March 21, 2012 6:10:51 AM

WoW now is 8 bosses over and over if your mostly intressted in PvE, its frankly boooooring! Considering they get about 120MIL $ each MONTH from the subscribtions alone i think the end content is way to small.
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March 21, 2012 7:27:04 AM

i played wow a lot but what swtor has is the heroic areas that are basicaly right smack in the middle of the regular quest/road...it is awsome...it never gets boring:D 
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March 21, 2012 7:46:43 AM

WoW is the first love, you may cheat on her eventually but you always return to her :p 
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March 21, 2012 7:59:49 AM

rantocWoW now is 8 bosses over and over if your mostly intressted in PvE, its frankly boooooring! Considering they get about 120MIL $ each MONTH from the subscribtions alone i think the end content is way to small.


everquest, in its prime, only a small fraction of the most elite guilds made it to the end game durring an expansions endgame... i believe it was something like 4 guilds across every server beat the end game content. at least till seeds...

in wow im just guessing that the end game content you are talking about was at least hard to get to and beat, but you have to think of everyone else, how many really make it to hat point. there is a reason there is so little content at the absolute top, because few make it that far.

beetlejuicegrWoW is the first love, you may cheat on her eventually but you always return to her


i played everquest sense it came out, so i have some insite on this.

untill you hit the end game, that game has you, and there is no letting go.
once you hit end game group... the game turns into a grind fest that can burn you out faster than any other mmo (you have to re level from 50-51 several thousand times to even come close to killing end game content) because the grind in eq isnt only about gear, but alt advancement. once you hit the end game from the most recent expantion, the game loses its magic... and its so easy to burn out on it...

once you burn out on it, the only thing that can bring you back is a new expantion... however the problem is that even that may not be enough, and your need/want to play the game dies.

mmos are an addiction, but its also one of the few where treatment is overdoseing.
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March 21, 2012 8:26:30 AM

"I'm one of the few people who's still playing it actually"

Really subtle ^^

TORtanic is sinking. F2P within a year.
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March 21, 2012 8:55:03 AM

Guild wars 2!
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March 21, 2012 9:00:16 AM

Hard to justify loss of first 2 million subscribers with SW:TOR isn't it?
It's an old game, people got bored.
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March 21, 2012 9:53:24 AM

Perhaps because of the siphoning of the original (and best?) development talent to Titan, combined with the continuing insistence on mind-numbing low-probability RNG rewards, World of Warcraft has become formulaic, predictable and.... not fun. It is a waste of both time and money.
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March 21, 2012 10:34:36 AM

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I think we're going to try to staff up both teams and actually end up with two large, strong MMO teams."
If WOW is losing its people, how can he honestly says they will have 2 strong MMO? Especially in 3 to 4 years when Titan actually comes out. Correction, this is Blizzard. Titan will be out in 4 to 6 years.
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March 21, 2012 10:42:52 AM

of all the MMOs I have tried the only one that has help my interest was EVE. I hate the leveling system of most games, and eve did away with that by really letting me choose what path and game play style I want. Yes, there is still a leveling system, but it is one where you get to choose the direction of your character, and not one where if you smack someone around long enough then you can beat them easier. It's all about having the right skills, and the right equipment, beautifully simple and yet involving at the same time.
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March 21, 2012 11:02:54 AM

alidaneverquest, in its prime, only a small fraction of the most elite guilds made it to the end game durring an expansions endgame... i believe it was something like 4 guilds across every server beat the end game content. at least till seeds...in wow im just guessing that the end game content you are talking about was at least hard to get to and beat, but you have to think of everyone else, how many really make it to hat point. there is a reason there is so little content at the absolute top, because few make it that far.
i played everquest sense it came out, so i have some insite on this. untill you hit the end game, that game has you, and there is no letting go. once you hit end game group... the game turns into a grind fest that can burn you out faster than any other mmo (you have to re level from 50-51 several thousand times to even come close to killing end game content) because the grind in eq isnt only about gear, but alt advancement. once you hit the end game from the most recent expantion, the game loses its magic... and its so easy to burn out on it... once you burn out on it, the only thing that can bring you back is a new expantion... however the problem is that even that may not be enough, and your need/want to play the game dies. mmos are an addiction, but its also one of the few where treatment is overdoseing.


They could make more instances with the same setup (rf, normal and heroic), no need to make it very hardcore. Fun that you mention it - played everquest in a hardcore guild (6 raids week with 90% minimum attendance) and its no need for wow to go to that - The keying in eq (Vex Thal or Anguish for instance) alone was a pain.

Wow need more content! Doing the eight over and over with the only thing to look forward is the same gear but with higher itemlevel not even bothered to call them something else. I think they have become to lazy as of late and been taking the subscribers that pays the 120mil$ per month for granted. I hope they shape it up, its a good game at the core - just to little content.
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March 21, 2012 11:17:36 AM

WoW gets worse. I can't believe 10 million people are still playing it. Its even funnier to read the people who claim that all the people who quit will be back........... LOL No we aren't coming back. The game got too simple and too idiot proof.
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March 21, 2012 11:34:09 AM

Why would people buy into Titan? I am seriously confused by this notion that people will just hop on board. People pay for a product in WoW, and in return, Blizzard pulls developers from the game and leaves people without content. Why would anybody expect that Titan would be different? Blizzard is just sitting on their cash cow to fund their new favorite toy, that they will get bored with, and so will you, 3 months after it's out.
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March 21, 2012 11:36:33 AM

What you have to realize is that every game has problems when it first comes out, especially MMO's. So as half a year passes by, SWTOR will eventually get better. Especially how it's updated weekly. Now, I can't say it will be better, I'm just saying it has a chance to get better. To me, SWTOR has potential, they just executed certain aspects improperly; maybe as BioWare learns, it will become much better.
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March 21, 2012 11:43:28 AM

'Waiting for Mists of Pandaria'

If that is supposed to save wow, they are in worse shape than I thought.

Despite Warcraft ripping off Lotr/Warhammer story wise, it used to have a decent amount of depth, but it's turning into some rediculous child level anime.
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March 21, 2012 11:45:09 AM

I played WoW for a while, did the raiding thing through the first two expansions. At this point, I'm just incredibly bored with the game. It was fun while it lasted, but it's over.

I played Warhammer briefly and hated it. Aion too. Hell, I even played the Tabula Rasa and Final Fantasy XIV betas, probably the two worst MMOs ever made.

People who are lumping TOR in with these games haven't played TOR. This one has staying power, especially given the number of people who are just sick to death with WoW. The game is honestly good, and has a lot to offer that WoW doesn't.

People just don't care about Kung Fu Panda: The Expansion.
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Anonymous
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March 21, 2012 12:27:11 PM

"New content, nerf"....... I'm not even sure the delay is long enough that I needed to use the comma. Totally predictable NPC pats. No variations. No surprises. blah blah All these MMOs need to drop the NPC predictability, including the bosses. Things need to be mixed up, a lot more random (NPC movement, grouping, class, number, abilities, etc.) Once we learn the pattern, the only thing left to do is execute on que. Boring. Next Boss. We use the term "rinse and repeat" enough the developers should be able to catch on to the idea "rinse and repeat" is a huge problem.
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March 21, 2012 12:51:19 PM

franky4roi played wow a lot but what swtor has is the heroic areas that are basicaly right smack in the middle of the regular quest/road...it is awsome...it never gets boring

WoW had the same thing before. Then they dumbed it down, removed a lot of group quests and turned elites mobs to regular mobs in previous content. That's one of many things that made me turn my back on WoW. I understand they made those choices in order for new players to reach the end-game stuff faster, but that's what made it fun to roll new characters. It's also what kept the game feel alive everywhere. Now, every town is desterted until you reach Dalaran (or whatever city is the main hub right now).
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March 21, 2012 1:47:18 PM

beetlejuicegrWoW is the first love, you may cheat on her eventually but you always return to her


I quit WoW in January 2011 and never looked back.
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March 21, 2012 2:09:23 PM

memadmaxWhen Aeon came out, alot of people left then came back.Warhammer, same.They'll be back.WoW will never let you go!


at least spell it right...it is AION :p  (maybe you were thinking of that movie? Aeon Flux I think it was or something)

I seriously doubt SWTOR put a dent in WoW. Any kink in WoW's armor didn't really come from SWTOR. It is fun and I am playing it but it is really lacking compared to WoW. The two things it has going for it are: 1) it is new & 2) it is star wars. that's it plain and simple. when it comes to pvp bioware doesn't even compare to blizzard. I know it's new but it shows big time. it is far from balanced. heck the game didn't even start off with guild banks!
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Anonymous
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March 21, 2012 2:18:51 PM

I played wow for many years off and on and the game is done i want nothing to do with it. See i realized i spent 4 years off and on i got into the game hardcore status trying to raid every night and get all the sweet gear.. FOR WHAT!!!?? yes it took me 4 years to realize that wow is a stupid game there is no point to what you are doing because in a few months or wtv your going to have to do it all over again. How much weight have you gained? How many friend have you lost in real life? How many jobs have you lost because you would rather call out and play wow? and for what????? So you can suck blizzards titties like a newborn baby are you scared you wont thrive in life without wow??? The game has to die there is no point to continuing doing the same thing over and over again.
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March 21, 2012 2:28:05 PM

@jaydogg1982 : You're playing it wrong. Do you hate WoW because you feel you accomplished nothing in the past 4 years? Why do you play any game to start with then? If you had fun during those 4 years, you didn't waste your time. If you didn't have fun but went through it to had the best gear/ranking/achivements or whatever, then yeah, you wasted your time. WoW doesn't have anything to do with this. It's just a game like any other. It's how you play it that matters.
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March 21, 2012 2:29:27 PM

Pandas. Blizzard will lose half, but gain another new 5-10mil from people thinking "Oh look! 8yr old Jimmy likes Shrek and Kung-fu Panda, I'll bet he would like this new game!

Though - they will succeed. They only need to hook parents in to subscribing their kids...
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March 21, 2012 2:38:30 PM

Diablo III :D 
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March 21, 2012 4:00:32 PM

rantocWoW now is 8 bosses over and over if your mostly intressted in PvE, its frankly boooooring! Considering they get about 120MIL $ each MONTH from the subscribtions alone i think the end content is way to small.


Not everyone pays 15$ a month, tons pay less, some pay by the hour which is still considered a sub.
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March 21, 2012 4:40:46 PM

Add play4free with in-game purchase model (no char level limit). It's time.
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March 21, 2012 4:41:29 PM

I tried the 7 day free trial of SWTOR, it took 2 days to download and only 10 minutes after picking my toon to stop playing it, its not my style of play and wish them the best.
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March 21, 2012 5:10:52 PM

I like SWTOR its a great MMORPG and will continue to evolve. WOW did not have as much content as SWTOR has in the beginning so I can see why they are bleeding subscribers.
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March 21, 2012 5:39:21 PM

rantocThey could make more instances with the same setup (rf, normal and heroic), no need to make it very hardcore. Fun that you mention it - played everquest in a hardcore guild (6 raids week with 90% minimum attendance) and its no need for wow to go to that - The keying in eq (Vex Thal or Anguish for instance) alone was a pain.Wow need more content! Doing the eight over and over with the only thing to look forward is the same gear but with higher itemlevel not even bothered to call them something else. I think they have become to lazy as of late and been taking the subscribers that pays the 120mil$ per month for granted. I hope they shape it up, its a good game at the core - just to little content.


i get what you are saying, never went for rain myself, just group content as i hated the way lower end guilds handled raids

but in wow, you have to factor in the servers to the equation, any other game, servers cost 10-30$ a month, but mmos are a bit different. wow specifically has to handle something around 1 million+ people playing at the same time, i would love to know how much the servers really cost to run because you are right, they make a crap ton a month from that alone.

more recent everquest expantions have 2 teirs of loot that drops from enemies, its only about 1% better at most, but it has a different look and name, is that what you are looking for on wow items?
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March 21, 2012 5:44:25 PM

Oh look, a bunch of stupid nerds debating about MMOs...Playing that kind of stuff is such a waste of time, let alone talk about it...
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March 21, 2012 6:17:33 PM

Star Wars TOR is TERRIBLE.... you always have that stupid AI companion with you that manages to piss off every mob in sight.... Back to Lotro 4 me
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March 21, 2012 6:44:42 PM

billybobser'Waiting for Mists of Pandaria' If that is supposed to save wow, they are in worse shape than I thought.Despite Warcraft ripping off Lotr/Warhammer story wise, it used to have a decent amount of depth, but it's turning into some rediculous child level anime.


The title 'Mist of Pandaria' doesn't sound too adult...lol. MMO devs in general have a difficult time trying to make their MMO actually fun. Another funny thing is that there is a base of players that find a level of enjoyment grinding, grinding for power levels, gear, gold, etc. Most players find it boring over an amount of time but those grinders tend to stick around an MMO and devs love them for it! This is why MMos are in large part gringfests by nature. WoW so far has come the closest to making an MMO fun to play and why it still dominates the MMO market.
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March 21, 2012 6:49:01 PM

WoW Mis of Pandaria looked like a joke, but when i read in mmochampion about the just released news about the game it kind impressed me. Well I guess that I will be playing WoW untill i die :D  lol
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March 21, 2012 7:12:03 PM

It seems like MoP will be a welcomed return to many of the things that made vanilla WoW so great.
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March 21, 2012 7:22:24 PM

pacioliIt seems like MoP will be a welcomed return to many of the things that made vanilla WoW so great.

Except the continued backward steps of the talent system.
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March 21, 2012 10:39:56 PM

Burned out now on LOTRO, 4 yrs in and the grind has got to me! Killing STO quickly, they need to content that up a lot quicker, but then PEW PEW is fun!

No the real trial for all MMOG out there will be Guild Wars 2. It is building to be a fantastic MMO, changing the way we think of persistant online gaming, with movement at its core and no monthly subscription for the WHOLE 100% Deal.

I am purchasing two copies immediately as it arrives!
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March 22, 2012 1:02:52 AM

Slowly all Blizzard is doing is killing the game, TBC marked the high point while WOTLK was still very very good but cata pretty much threw the wrench into the engine. I have my doubt that Mists will turn things around even if it is better than cata the damage might already be done. Blizzard almost constantly keeps making poor decisions and once in a while a good one or two but only with mixed results.
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March 22, 2012 2:02:51 AM

nforce4maxSlowly all Blizzard is doing is killing the game, TBC marked the high point while WOTLK was still very very good but cata pretty much threw the wrench into the engine. I have my doubt that Mists will turn things around even if it is better than cata the damage might already be done. Blizzard almost constantly keeps making poor decisions and once in a while a good one or two but only with mixed results.

I agree. Plus today there's more variety of these type of online games. There's more options for people to choose and plenty of F2P games - some of the biggest ones are F2P now, like EQ, Aion, Warhammer, etc. WoW is just gonna die a slow death as people move on to other games, it's an old game, it's become boring, etc. It's time to let it rest.
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March 22, 2012 4:12:53 AM

People need to relax. people play wow because it's fun and they enjoy. If they didn't they wouildn't play. The game is 7 + years old. A lot of players come and go. The game is great and has evolved some much in that time. 10M 'subs' is still a lot!
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March 26, 2012 4:14:32 AM

When MMORPG(s) start making it "Easier" to level, it kills the game. People spend months leveling and building characters in the game, and then a year later it takes days instead of months to make the same progress. It's happened in every MMORPG I've played, and ruined everyone of them. Sure some things take less time because many of the quests have been completed previously. However, when the XP required to level is reduce it ruins the game for all of those people who spent the time grinding it out. I'm not sure if this is some strange buisness model for MMORPG(s), but it seems to kill the games rather than getting more users.
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Anonymous
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April 5, 2012 2:35:35 PM

I've been playing WOW for quite a while, since early BC, and have played online games all the way back to BBS systems and "Red Dragon", if anyone else remembers that. WOW's issues were always present, the disappointment of Cata merely made them worse. Face facts, Cata simply didn't add anything to the game content, it gave high levels that aren't raiders nothing to do at all, not even PVP because a raiding guild would always rule PVP. They took a game with fun in crafting items and in regular PVP wars and various other things in WOTLK and changed it to "you either suck or you grind raids". Not everyone likes grinding raids. My WOW account is still "active" but it isn't played much, in fact it's gone as long as four months untouched. I have not looked at firelands content, don't intend to, and actively avoid it because the raider culture is so bad. Frankly the raid culture went from Ok in WOTLK to absolutely toxic in Cata. If it stays that bad, MOP will be a total failure. If raiders can misbehave to the max and there is nothing to do but raid, then nobody will play but the extreme raiders, and they'll quit when nobody is there that cares. I will be absolutely blunt here, if the end game in MOP is nothing but more raids, then I will not continue in WOW. There are other ways to develop a game. Raids are not the end all and be all of multiplayer gaming.
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April 15, 2012 6:53:00 AM

Ohh man, blizzard's too big to fail, how long till the government gives them a few billion dollars?
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May 11, 2012 12:50:36 AM

Now players are coming back to WoW since SWTOR is sinking.
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May 14, 2012 4:57:35 AM

Started playing WoW in 2004. Still play WoW. During that time I have tried, Everquest, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Lord of the Rings online, Rift, Was in the Beta for SWTOR and in the release of SWTOR and Star Trek Online

I quit all of them except WoW. I play alot of other non MMO games but WoW is my only MMO. Now if the Fallout universe ever made it to MMO that could probably pull me away from WoW. !!! LOL
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May 20, 2012 10:41:53 AM

Does anyone here actually RP any of these games? I grind to get to a level there's a way to travel other than by foot. Cut my teeth on City of Heroes way back when (speaking of free play), same approach with WOW; levels came along, but game content was anything we wanted it to be, and always truly fun!
Now, even more so with SWTOR- being able to bring a story that I've basically grown up with into fantasy, it's crazy-fun. Mind you, a "reality based" fantasy (coming from a movie), SWTOR vs. Blizzard's ridiculous attempt to enrich WOW's content with Panda's- Pandas. Really? Come on! Where did that come from? If I can play an Undead Priest Panda, now that might be worth going back for. Until then, my $15 a month are paying for my to slip past the Republic Guard to do away with those whiny Jedi. (of course that will change as soon as is released!!!)
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Anonymous
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May 21, 2012 6:07:54 PM

I did this experiment:
I started a trial on SWTOR with one of their weekend passes and played a character until level 6. Then I started a WoW trial and played to level 6. Then I went back to SWTOR and leveled to 10... and I didn't return to WoW anymore.
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Anonymous
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July 13, 2012 2:04:56 AM

SWTOR was great for a while. Then it got a little boring.

Which is why I went to WoW.

For one thing, I know people who play it, like experts that have taught a good percentage on my view and knowledge of WoW.

My advice: Unless you are a friendly person, don't talk to people you don't really know. I know that somewhat ruins the aspect of an MMO. But, people can be douches. I hope you know that. That bullying, fighting, and whatever else, is what ruins people playing the game: the community. The greatest of games, can have the worse community, which is what ruins WoW in a way.

Other than that, the game has lot's of potential. It is of the first of it's kind of game. It was the first to have massive amounts of content that had people beg for more.

That's when people started giving up and complaining.

It's like another game I know. Roblox. It has corrupted admins and a horrible community. But it was a good game when it came to content.

I'm not comparing WoW to Roblox. That's like comparing Asia to a walrus. They aren't alike. But what I've seen with some parts of WoW, it reminds me of roblox from time to time.

A majority of the internet doesn't belive in these things for an MMO going downhill:

Faith

and Second chances.

Like bettlejuicegr said, "WoW is the first love.." Because it is. The second for some if any.
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Anonymous
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July 19, 2012 3:03:06 PM

My very first MMo was Everquest. I remember playing that game and having fun because it was hard and when you made mistakes it made you pay for it. I remember trying to get to my body because I died right on top of a camp of creatures. I remember loosing a level because I died a lot. I also remember IT WAS HARD!

Then They started to make it easy. Then we changed to Wow and they made it even easier. When you died it did not cost you anything. You woke up with full armor. Leveling was easy you could almost do it alone. Then there was so many upgrades and new cap that the entire vanilla game became obsolete. What's the point of a game if a few years down the road everything you first created is dead?

I played this game for a very long time. And yes it's way to boring now. Most games are made for idiots. If it's hard to achieve anything is changed so it's simple. I'm not paying for an easy MMO anymore. I want a hard MMO and since it's not bound to happen anytime soon I guess I won't be playing any.

I wish a real game made for real men (women) not for idiots.

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