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MPAA Wants MegaUpload Data Saved for Future Lawsuits

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March 22, 2012 7:13:03 PM

MPAA beeter watch out doing that. They might accidentally sue themselves in a fit of rage.
March 22, 2012 7:17:38 PM

It would just disappear at this point.... poof
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March 22, 2012 7:20:30 PM

It never ceases to amaze how the MPAA can continuously outdo themselves in douchebaggery.
March 22, 2012 7:24:25 PM

I don't think they can force a company to pay $9,000/day to keep data and run them into the ground. If they want to pay the $9,000 then I would keep the data.
March 22, 2012 7:25:19 PM

Carpathia should just have an unforseen "accident" and make all the data just disappear...
March 22, 2012 7:28:44 PM

Without internet distribution I'd probably listen to mainstream music by RIAA. Nowadays I can say I boycott RIAA simply because I don't appreciate their music. So it's not about piracy but market domination.
March 22, 2012 7:29:45 PM

Why not let MPAA sort through all data and delete the copyright infringing one while paying for the upkeep (i don't want to see tax funds paid for corporate interests, after all mpaa initiated this). Then return the users private data, after all Mega upload DO have loads of personal data and by detaining that they are denying the individuals their right to it...

They can't claim that mega upload is denying artists ect their rights and at the same time denying mega upload users access to their by right personal data. Well maybe they can, after all "justice" seems to be for sale nowadays - Its all a matter of price! Scumbags!
March 22, 2012 7:32:03 PM

If kim wants to keep that data for his defense, he must be very confident that the majority of the files are personal data. I'm surprised the mpaa doesn't wan't it destroyed based on that...
March 22, 2012 7:32:22 PM

These guys are like goons.
March 22, 2012 7:48:10 PM

rrod518...the majority of the files are personal data...

Yeah. Good one. It's mostly just personal notes and writing, spreadsheets, and baby pictures.
March 22, 2012 7:51:33 PM

And that may actually be a good deal. It works out to about $275k per month.

From Google, 500TB would cost you $44662 per month just for storage [no access] and MegaUpload was using 50x as much.

For that first 500TB, you are paying an average of $89 per TB per month; for 25 PB to come out to $9000 per day, they had to give you the other 98% of the storage at just $9 per TB...
March 22, 2012 8:02:14 PM

9k a day? is it running on unicorn powered servers?
March 22, 2012 8:04:23 PM

Motion Picture Association of America says it doesn't intend to use the info to sue individual users.

I smell a dirty rat with that comment.
The MPAA says it wants the information because it might decide it wants to sue the file-sharing site and others for copyright infringement.

Others eh? Sounds like they want to invade personal files to look for copyright infringement.
March 22, 2012 8:12:07 PM

If you burned the 25 PB onto CD-Rs, you'd need about 41 million of them, and stacked up they'd be over 30 miles tall

That might be somewhat inconvenient... how about a million 25GB bluRay discs? :)  Neatly stacked floor to ceiling, they'd fill a 7x10 room...
March 22, 2012 8:32:20 PM

6000 hard drives @ 4TB each will do just fine.
Let's see, at about $200 each that's $1.2 Million.
Financed at 6% that would cost you about $200/day.

Much cheaper than paying $9,000/day to host the files.
I have a feeling the 9k/day are not realistic and more a PR stunt.

March 22, 2012 8:58:34 PM

Data centers don't use desktop SATA drives, they use SAS drives, which are smaller in size and much more expensive. They will also have those drives in RAID arrays, which means even more drive. Then you need enclosures, RAID CARD and systems to handle all those drives and the costs keep going up.
A quick newegg search put 1 TB SAS drive at ~$500, so taking your 6000 number for 4TB drive, multiple it by 4, then by $500, the drive will cost $12 million, and that isn't factoring in extra for RAID.

TLDR: $9K/Day cost are probably correct
March 22, 2012 9:11:34 PM

To get $200 per day, without any interest I'm getting over 16 years of payments... I have to go out to liek a 70 year loan to get down to $200 per day... I don't think that is going to fly. You'll have to replace every drive in the array a dozen times before the first batch is even paid off.

With 6% interest and figuring 36 monthly payments and $200 per drive, I get a cost of $1200 per day.

Now those "4TB" drives probably have an actual formatted capacity of 3.6TB, so you'll actually need more. I come up with 7037 drives. At $200 each, now your payments work out to $1408 per day.

The company that provides the service now, presumably has redundancy-- so you're probably looking at double that. Now were up to $2815 per day.

If the average drive lasts 8 years, you'd have an average of 5 drives failing every day; that is another $1000 per day [assuming the same volume pricing].

Those drives just aren't stacked up on the floor [if they were, just bare drives piled up on a pallet, it'd be over 11' tall], they are presumably in servers, that you have to pay for. And those are in racks. And those servers use a lot of electricity and require a lot of outside cooling and a building to keep them in and employees to monitor and replace drives, insurance, etc.

March 22, 2012 9:20:41 PM

Blackmail of a different kind.
March 22, 2012 9:32:59 PM

due to the site being taken down the TOS is now void and all data esp user data should be wiped out.
those with information that is not illegally stored on the site need to bring a class action lawsuit against the government of the united states ASAP and file an injunction into the enforcement of the take down order for all it's violations of the constitution of the united states and the laws violating that to be directly under the injunction while they are reviewed for being unconstitutional.
the MPAA should also be filed against in a civil suit by user(s) with legal data and assessed a fine of 10 dollars per day or more (if company or scientific data is stored on there) per user. the MPAA should also be required to show proof that all 66+ million users were violating it's copy right claims in order to have any authority in having law enforcement carry out it's duty and a federal suit seeking jail time for every member in the MPAA and it's staff face 10 years per user that was violated in this instance who can not be proven to have done copyright infringement.
March 22, 2012 9:48:01 PM

Dear MPAA, at your request data is being preserved, we expect immediate payment of $9000 per day for storage fees, and $2500 per day for miscellaneous administrative costs arising from your request. Minimum storage term is 6 months. If payment is not received within 24hrs of this notice all data will be deleted.
Yours truly,
Mr. Kissa Mya assus
March 22, 2012 10:08:16 PM

side note some of you guys are getting to technical with costs and saving the data, they can offload it to dvd's or sata drives at less cost and once it's offloaded it can be disconnected a brand new hdd fully loaded put in a box with thousands of other brand new hdd's not being used or dvd's then the only charge beyond that is warehouse storage space.
it's only fair that the MPAA and justice department pick up the entire tab otherwise with a few mouse clicks it can be gone and re rented to some one else.
or hopefully google contracts with Carpathia and buys up the servers for it's cloud service.
March 22, 2012 11:04:04 PM

I wish the MPAA would go die in a fire. I mean, seriously, they arent happy enough they got the site taken down by their FBI lackeys. No, now they see the dollar signs in trying to further extort money from people via this load of shit. Assholes...
March 23, 2012 12:44:55 AM

For the "OMG $9000 a day" crowd, what you have is many, many servers (hint: They cost 20x what your gaming rig cost), expensive hard drives, and quite a few IT people making anywhere from $15/hr to $100/hr+ each to run it all, then megawatts of electricity to power and cool it all. $9000/day is a phenomenal price.
March 23, 2012 1:07:39 AM

OH MAN I WISH I WAS CARPATHIA RIGHT NOW!!!! I would so mail the court and the MPAA that unless they pay me the total lump sum of $1 billion, for my massive amounts of expenses thats putting me in the ground. Im declaring bankruptcy and using DOD's method of HDD wiping. Than if they dont pay up, after the wipe is complete sue them for lost wages/profit.

March 23, 2012 1:09:49 AM

I think that individual users should sue the MPAA for theft of property. You haven't have it both ways, if the users stole their data, they are just as complicit as the users in the theft of the users data. I think everyone should take them to small claims court for the loss and theft of their data. Make the MPAA lose tons of money in fighting each case on an individual basis. Make the MPAA prove that their stuff was stolen and then counter sue them for invasion of privacy.

Just my $0.02 worth.
March 23, 2012 1:36:30 AM

expensive_it_dudeFor the "OMG $9000 a day" crowd, what you have is many, many servers (hint: They cost 20x what your gaming rig cost), expensive hard drives, and quite a few IT people making anywhere from $15/hr to $100/hr+ each to run it all, then megawatts of electricity to power and cool it all. $9000/day is a phenomenal price.

But at the same time, just keeping them inactive doesn't cost anything but floor space. Turning the servers off means no needed, no AC needed, no support staff needed. If the company is still running the servers 24/7 during this time then they are costing themselves money through stupidity. And if if they're saying $9k a day based off what they might theoretically get if someone else came in and decided to rent the entire lot of storage space for the same price the second they delete Megaupload's data then they are spinning the crap of out the facts to make themselves look sympathetic.

Just turn everything off, lock the doors to the building, and pay a security guard $9 an hour to stand at the door and not let anyone inside. Now your costs are $216 per day per door. Don't turn the servers on again until the courts decide what to do with them. Problem solved.
March 23, 2012 2:00:34 AM

yargnit: So then it becomes free to rent their office space, and they can just have a knee-jerk layoff of the people who would be running it? Even better, they can't repurpose those servers that they're probably still paying for every month. Nevermind the fact that they probably pay a shitload of money for some epic fibre-optic lines coming in and out the building, that are under contract and don't become cheaper if they use less bandwidth.

You've made it abundantly clear that your not a business person and don't understand how it all works, if I were you, I'd just quit now....
March 23, 2012 5:17:50 AM

If Mega Upload is found not-guilty on this issue, I do believe the MPAA is through when they counter sue for detrimental harm to business.
March 23, 2012 6:40:35 AM

mmmm 66million people in one class action lawsuit against those holding their data and not giving it back ....
March 23, 2012 6:42:09 AM

i will accept $100 dollars for my stuff being held times that by 66 million doing the same
March 23, 2012 4:38:21 PM

freggo6000 hard drives @ 4TB each will do just fine.Let's see, at about $200 each that's $1.2 Million.Financed at 6% that would cost you about $200/day.Much cheaper than paying $9,000/day to host the files.I have a feeling the 9k/day are not realistic and more a PR stunt.

The $9,000 per day is not just for the cost of the hard drives. The servers and DASD devices have a cost as well. And that is assuming that they are not powered on. Electricity, cooling, security etc all costs money as well.
March 23, 2012 4:56:32 PM

One of these days there will be a terrorist attack against the MPAA and no one will care.
April 16, 2012 2:13:20 PM

ithurtswhenipeeThe $9,000 per day is not just for the cost of the hard drives. The servers and DASD devices have a cost as well. And that is assuming that they are not powered on. Electricity, cooling, security etc all costs money as well.

Partially true, but at this point no 'hosting' is needed, just storage until the legal issues are sorted out.