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Pantone PrintFix vs Epson 2100 Gray Balancer

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Anonymous
May 5, 2004 1:26:44 PM

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I'm conscious that I need to run the Epson Gray Balancer on my Epson
2100, but I'm also thinking of getting a Pantone SpyderPRO™ plus a
PrintFIX™ in order to profile my monitor and printer.

My question is, how good is the Pantone system at getting a neutral
gray balance? I'd expect quite good, but I've not seen anything to
confirm this. I don't see the point in coming to terms with the
complexity of the gray balancer sofware if the Pantone system will do
it all for me much more easily.

Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Brian
Anonymous
May 6, 2004 9:08:46 AM

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Hey Brian,

I've been using a dual Sony Trinitron system for over three years now and
just bought a Pantone SpyderPro to finally get them calibrated together. One
of the monitors has had a blue cast forever and it's great to finally get
them to display the same colours in the same images.

The next step is to setup profiles for my printers, so I can't really answer
your question, just wanted to let you know that so-far I'm really happy with
the SpyderPro. It did a much better job than my previous attempts at
eyeballing corrections with PowerStrip.
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"Brian Downunda" <brian_downunda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6fdce5e4.0405050826.59f932f8@posting.google.com...
> I'm conscious that I need to run the Epson Gray Balancer on my Epson
> 2100, but I'm also thinking of getting a Pantone SpyderPROT plus a
> PrintFIXT in order to profile my monitor and printer.
>
> My question is, how good is the Pantone system at getting a neutral
> gray balance? I'd expect quite good, but I've not seen anything to
> confirm this. I don't see the point in coming to terms with the
> complexity of the gray balancer sofware if the Pantone system will do
> it all for me much more easily.
>
> Sorry if this is a dumb question.
>
> Brian
Anonymous
May 11, 2004 1:31:26 PM

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On 5 May 2004 09:26:44 -0700, brian_downunda@yahoo.com (Brian
Downunda) wrote:

>I'm conscious that I need to run the Epson Gray Balancer on my Epson
>2100, but I'm also thinking of getting a Pantone SpyderPRO™ plus a
>PrintFIX™ in order to profile my monitor and printer.
>
>My question is, how good is the Pantone system at getting a neutral
>gray balance? I'd expect quite good, but I've not seen anything to
>confirm this. I don't see the point in coming to terms with the
>complexity of the gray balancer sofware if the Pantone system will do
>it all for me much more easily.
>
>Sorry if this is a dumb question.
>
>Brian

Not a dumb question at all, although, if you look a little closer at
the Colorvision site, I think they indicate it is mainly for color
work, and not grayscale. I had access to one of their other
inexpensive printer profiling products, Profiler Plus, which works on
a similar principal, with the difference being you use your own
scanner, and the results were terrible for greyscale. With some
tweeking, I was able to produce a color profile that was marginally
better than the stock Epson 2200 'canned' profiles.

A Google search indicates my results are more typical than unusual.

Despite the less than exciting results, I'm not certain I can lay all
of the blame at Colorvisions feet. Printing near neutral B&W from 5
colors + black is no easy task, especially when still going through
Epsons print driver. It wouldn't be hard to believe that Epson
optimized its driver for color, not B&W, print quality. There are
third party RIPs (that is short for Raster Image Processors) that are
"replacements" for Epson's drivers. Basically, these are industrial
grade, production house tools and allow the user to control the
printer to a far higher degree than most would image. They also have
industrial grade prices to match.

The most promising solution, if you are really into grayscale output,
is quadtone, or heptone printing. Basically, the color cartrige gets
replaced with a 'shades of gray' cartrige. Look at Cone Editions and
Generartions Inks for more details. Some of the output that I have
seen is truly spectacular. Again, not real cheap, but reasonable
enough to consider if B&W pushes your buttons. I'm not there yet, but
it looks like where I will be heading in the next sixth months.

All that said, their Spyder and monitor profiling solutions work, and
work well.

David Glos
Anonymous
May 11, 2004 1:57:08 PM

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Just a quick followup to my reply.

Check out the following link:

http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/ut7_2200...

It looks like MIS Associates finally has their UT7 ink set out for the
Epson 2200. If it works as inidicated, this could be a nice deal for
monochrome output on the Epson. Realize of course, it is not WYSIWYG.
You start with a grayscale file, convert it to RGB, then apply an
adjustment curve. Then cool thing is one cartrige set can ouput
everything from sepia-to-neutral-to-cool tone.

Hope that gives you some ideas.

David Glos
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