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For PR the USAF released some photos and quick stats on the F/A 22 Raptor - the USAF's replacement for the F15.

In a PR campaign and testing they're claiming the F/A 22 was able to go up against 4 F-15s and get kill shots on all 4.
2 22's went up against 8 F-15s. All 8 were 'killed' while the FA22s were undetected.
The same results occurred when they went up against F18s.

Using US radar technology and F-15 radar technology, neither were able to detect the FA-22 which resulted in it's success.

The first squadron was just delivered to Langley AFB.

Good stuff.. I have maybe 15-20 pictures in a powerpoint presentation I was sent. It's a quality looking jet.

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Sounds Great!!!!!

I just got a vid. of the new M60 machine gun..... They put together a belt of ammo, 845 or 875 rounds..... Fire it in 1 minute 48 seconds..... Must be some different ammo.... She chews up the ground at the range something fierce!!!!!! :D

Reply to RCPilot

I've seen it in the air. It's pretty impressive.

Reply to dhlucke

I'm waiting for my friend to send me the video of it flying up close.

He spent more time talking about poopy suits they were on long missions. They have to piss and shit themselves on long flights.. haha

Reply to Riser

Basically the jet is really really manueverable plus it has stealth capabilities.

Reply to dhlucke

Yeah I'm told they had to cut back on it's ability to manuever because it could cut so sharp it would have killed the pilot based on G force alone.

Reply to Riser

Wouldn't surprise me. It's really amazing when it pulls it's nose up and just kinda hovers forward a little bit, then it levels off and is gone.

Reply to dhlucke

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Yeah I'm told they had to cut back on it's ability to manuever because it could cut so sharp it would have killed the pilot based on G force alone.


With fly-by-wire it's amazing what you can do. On commercial airlines for example the computer can take over whenever you lose a control surface or two (say the tail), and it compensates with all the other controls. The pilot can fly the plane as normal while things like engine speed and the positions of other control surfaces are automatically handled. It's basically the same computer systems that (alongside good engineering) make modern aircraft such shifty buggers - I believe some of them are technically not flyable without their computers.

Still, expensive aircraft for expensive aircraft's sake has always seemed a bit of a folly to me in the CAS role in particular. Fly even the most advanced jet low into the tight valleys and hills of the Korean border region, for example, and a kid with a shoulder mounted SAM can give your million dollar investment a run for its money. I'm of the belief that high-tech, high quality is excellent stuff, but put it into a "real" war and you'd run up the bills fairly quickly.

Then take a look at the rather cheap and simplistic A-10 - brilliant at CAS (though their pilots do have a hellova record with eyesight problems, or at least basic intelligence... "Hmm, those Warriors, flying the union jack and correct signals are quite obviously Iraqi's trying to confuse us..." ).

Reply to Aaron McKenna

Not as good as ole puff. :mrgreen:

Reply to HardWareBoss

Aaron, where are you from btw? You don't say. Nice post.

Reply to dhlucke

PM me your email and I'll send the powerpoint someone combined them all into. 15-20 pictures or so.. I'm betting the video is too large for him to email it to me..

Reply to Riser

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Aaron, where are you from btw? You don't say. Nice post.


Thanks... I'm from Ireland, originally.

Reply to Aaron McKenna

Well....where do you live now then?

Reply to dhlucke

Funny that you should mention that...

I got a vid. of the new Puff at the beginning of the war, complete with diagrams..... Shows her lighting up every gun she has over the water.... She's one bad baby, I'm telling you.... 2 guys with scoop shovels, scooping the casings to the rear of the plane as she's firing....

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Well....where do you live now then?


Sorry, I'm used to saying "originally" to people, but I'm actually living back in Ireland at the moment after being, well, elsewhere for a while.

Reply to Aaron McKenna

You served time. I can tell. Early parole? Good for you.

Reply to dhlucke

THe F22 is stealth like though. SAMs are ineffective because it's hidden from radar (which SAMs rely on). Stingers rely on heat signals I think.

Because of this jet, the US military will need less jets in order to do the same amount of work. Whiile it will cost more per jet (F15s were designed in the 70s), it will be a better bang per buck. Plus, it gives the pilot an even higher survival/shot down ratio.

If these things get shot down constantly, then it 's a bad investment. If they don't get shot down, I'd say it was a good investment. Common sense though.

Reply to Riser

when i was down at tyndall the got two of em. they did an airshow, 2 f/a22, 5 f16, 4 f4's.... yessir it was awesome.

Reply to mrface

To bad they could not have a hole and let them fall out. But that bad boy put out a butt load of rounds per min.

Reply to HardWareBoss

Nothing like a good air show.

Reply to HardWareBoss

Yeah I just sent hardware the powerpoint of the first FA22s being delivered for active duty.

Reply to Riser

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You served time. I can tell. Early parole? Good for you.


Heh, not quite, no, though flattering guess :wink:

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If these things get shot down constantly, then it 's a bad investment. If they don't get shot down, I'd say it was a good investment. Common sense though.


I agree... as it stands these babies cannot be matched. Though I do recall that air force brass in the US hated the simplistic A-10 (which didn't even have autopilot in the first operational units), wanting to leave the dirty job of tank busting to army helicopters. They much preferred their expensive F-15's and F-16's - bigger budgets, more glamour (can you imagine A-10 Top Gun?)

In the end however it was the A-10 that, despite never getting its chance to give Soviet tanks a run for their money, took out thousands of AFV's and tanks in the first gulf war (not that there were any left for them in the second round...)

Reply to Aaron McKenna

it was mad crazy to, if you have ever been to tyndall, US 98 runs right through the base and on the west end of the base is a 1/4 mile long bridge, well the runway kinda faces slantways towards the bridge, after all the flights that took off that day, im sure some of the passengers on the cars of the bridge were getting a good show, they had to be literally hundreds of feet above that bridge... 8)

Reply to mrface

Thanks for the pics. I'll look at them again. Since the Sun is shining on my screen.

Reply to HardWareBoss

I'll look up that stuff.. It's on disc.....

Reply to RCPilot

Yea, I save that sh-t... [shrug]

Reply to RCPilot

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In the end however it was the A-10 that, despite never getting its chance to give Soviet tanks a run for their money, took out thousands of AFV's and tanks in the first gulf war (not that there were any left for them in the second round...)




That A-10 is one bad ass piece of hardware, the 30mm gause gattling gun fires so fast it almost sounds like a solid sound when she's firing for effect, really that plane is a gun with wings and truely one of the most deadly things in the air, if you were unfortunately on the receiving end of it.

I used to live near an Air Force bombing range and was stunned at the firepower of the Warthog, and if you research into the planes service record theres some impressive pictures available of damaged A-10s that actually continued to fly and made it back to base with unbelievable damage, yet still flyable.

Beside the SR-71 Blackbird, the A-10 is one of my favorite planes, went to an air show and got a really close look at one right down the gun barrels, needless to say it made the hair stand up on the back of my neck, even knowing the plane was shut down.

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Sounds Great!!!!!

I just got a vid. of the new M60 machine gun..... They put together a belt of ammo, 845 or 875 rounds..... Fire it in 1 minute 48 seconds..... Must be some different ammo.... She chews up the ground at the range something fierce!!!!!! :D





They must have solved the overheating barrell problem then? They were notorious for warping after continued firing, we had about 4 M-60s on our ship and an extra barrell for each, to change it out when it got too hot.

Thats a really serious problem when it comes to a machine gun, thats why the electric gattling guns have gotten so much more common, its just flat out a better solution, heat wise and firing rate wise.

RC do you have a link to the new M-60? I'd like to check it out.

Reply to 4ryan6

The F22A is made at Lockheed which is just down the road from me. about a year or so ago I was at a business standing outside which was located just off Dobbins air force base runway (Lockheed is located at Dobbins air force base ). An F22 flew over my head accompanied by a chase plane. he was in a slight right hand bank and so close I could see the pilot.

I got to see an SR71 blackbird while I was TDY at Beale air force base in California. I was part of a crew on a KC-135 tanker and we were at Beale as part of a refueling task force. We arrived late and all of the normal parking spots were already taken. They parked us on what is called the hammerhead . It's simply at the end of the runway and the part of the taxiway that is between the taxiway and runway.

I was the crew chief on the tanker and was out preflighting my airplane just after dawn. I was standing on the right wing measuring the fuel tank quantity when I looked up and saw the SR-71 taxiing right in front of me and then lined up on the runway. Behind the airplane was a maintenance truck towing a stand and behind that was a motor home with two air conditioning units on top. To my amazement the crew chief got out of the truck and pushed the stand to the side of the cockpit . While he was doing this the pilot got out of the motor home wearing what looked to be a space suit. Needless to say they had my undivided attention. The guy who taxied the aircraft got out and the crew chief helped the space suit wearing pilot into the aircraft and hooked up his equipment.

When the pilot was ready to take off he advance the throttles and the very pit of my stomach rumbled from the noise of the engine. I was excited and hoping to see a spectacular takeoff. My eyes were glued on the SR-71. The aircraft gained speed and about 3/4 down the runway became Airborne. I was quickly convinced that it was going to be just a normal looking takeoff. Couldn't have been any more wrong. The SR-71 pointed its nose straight up and in less than twenty seconds all but disappeared from sight. I mean the airplane didn't even exceed the boundaries of the air force base. If someone had walked up to me after about twenty seconds and asked what I was looking at, I doubt that I could have shown them the little black spec in the sky. That is definitely one assume airplane.

Reply to russell

That's a great story. That's the one plane I'd love to see.

Reply to dhlucke

That was back in the seventies when even the U2 was still secret. The SR-71 wasn't even confirmed to exist.

Reply to russell

No I don't have a link to the 60... I got it sent to me in the email.... If you want a copy drop me a email addy in a PM, & I'll sendd it to you.....

Reply to RCPilot

damnit i have some pics at the house that i meant to bring and post for you guys.... sorry

Reply to mrface

You didn't bring them? How could you do this to us? You're dead to me!

Reply to dhlucke

I'll be looking for those photos then.....

Reply to RCPilot

That reminds me. I was in PA going thru PLDC. I was doing land nav. Walking down range. With F15s or Warthogs flying overhead. With their 20MM guns going off or maybe 30MM don't remember.

Reply to HardWareBoss

I got to see and old F106 take off. It was fast in it's time.

Reply to HardWareBoss

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/8407/101901c130gunshipgraphic1jw.gif
Here it is, well the chart anyway..... I got this 10 19 01......

Reply to RCPilot

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"Puff, the magic dragon," one term for the early Vietnam-era gunships deployed in C-47 (DC 3) platforms were capable of putting a machine gun bullet in every square foot of an area the size of a football field in a couple of minutes. Current versions of gunships in C-130 platforms also carry cannons up to 155mm. These gunships can stitch every square inch of a football field sized area in a couple of minutes. Minimizes the utility of foxholes.

http://www.swans.com/library/art8/mgc069.html


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To Stephen: We don't need the Osprey in New Orleans or Mississippi. As for the rest of your ideas, they have already been thought of and will be put on select models of Ospreys. Remember "Puff the Magic Dragon", the C-130 gunship that can put a bullet in every square inch of a football field and the....

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001837_comments.html



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Reply to mrface

We should send a few of those ole birds to Iraq.

Reply to HardWareBoss

They're over there!!!!! :twisted:

Reply to RCPilot

First of all it is not "F/A 22 Raptor" anymore, but "F 22 Raptor". "A" was dropped by Pentagon.

Secondly, F 22 is no more agile than previous jetfighters. It has stealth skin and profile, supersonic cruising, better radar and weapons systems.

F 22 does not need to have agility, it kills from huge distances. Stealth profile is not going along with agility.

Reply to 486

And you, the idiot, would know how agile it is because?

Sorry, F22/A. Depending on it's configuration the name can change. It's how you can tell what weapons it's carrying.

I know because my friend in the military is being trained to work on them and understand how the fighter works over the F15 and F18s.

Reply to Riser

Hmm I woder if he knows why we don't use F4s anymore for combat.

Reply to HardWareBoss

Awesome Story, would've loved to have seen that!

Reply to 4ryan6

The images of that morning are burned into my memory.

I can just see me now. Senile, Alzheimer's, telling that story over and over again . lol

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